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March 20, 2020, 03:05:57 PM |
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How often are payouts made from this pool? Is it only after a block has been found?
That is correct. Wow, how can anyone afford to miner here? I mean, the design seems great - but at this point with once per year payouts - that's rough. Too bad there isn't some sort of marketing campaign to get a lot of people to jump on all at once the get the blocks coming in faster. It looks like it was doing pretty well at one point - if the payouts were less all the fees usually involved, what prompted people to pull their miners elsewhere? That's a shame.
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March 20, 2020, 03:15:12 PM |
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What a lot of us do is spread out our mining. CK is a stand up guy and provides a great service to this community with CGMiner and the solo and pool. So I support both of his pools (solo and group) but use another pool for some steady income.
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philipma1957
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March 20, 2020, 03:33:40 PM |
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What a lot of us do is spread out our mining. CK is a stand up guy and provides a great service to this community with CGMiner and the solo and pool. So I support both of his pools (solo and group) but use another pool for some steady income.
Yeah I use 3 tiny pools that take over a year to hit a block and a pool that pays me daily
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March 20, 2020, 07:52:36 PM |
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How often are payouts made from this pool? Is it only after a block has been found?
That is correct. Wow, how can anyone afford to miner here? I mean, the design seems great - but at this point with once per year payouts - that's rough. Too bad there isn't some sort of marketing campaign to get a lot of people to jump on all at once the get the blocks coming in faster. It looks like it was doing pretty well at one point - if the payouts were less all the fees usually involved, what prompted people to pull their miners elsewhere? That's a shame. Well, the irony is that a zero fee pool leaves more profit than those 4% fee PPS pools, and if enough hashrate was added to this pool, payments could become as frequent as daily, and with such frequency variance cease to matter. But that requires some petahashes per second to move here, rather than, remaining at the usual Chinese pools. As you can see "little fish" can't change this situation much. I suppose that the interface and pool help needs to be available in both Chinese and Russian... Marketing requires money, but a zero fee pool doesn't make any on its own...
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philipma1957
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March 20, 2020, 08:02:33 PM |
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How often are payouts made from this pool? Is it only after a block has been found?
That is correct. Wow, how can anyone afford to miner here? I mean, the design seems great - but at this point with once per year payouts - that's rough. Too bad there isn't some sort of marketing campaign to get a lot of people to jump on all at once the get the blocks coming in faster. It looks like it was doing pretty well at one point - if the payouts were less all the fees usually involved, what prompted people to pull their miners elsewhere? That's a shame. Well, the irony is that a zero fee pool leaves more profit than those 4% fee PPS pools, and if enough hashrate was added to this pool, payments could become as frequent as daily, and with such frequency variance cease to matter. But that requires some petahashes per second to move here, rather than, remaining at the usual Chinese pools.As you can see "little fish" can't change this situation much. I suppose that the interface and pool help needs to be available in both Chinese and Russian... Marketing requires money, but a zero fee pool doesn't make any on its own... What the killer is Even with 2ph it is not enough to matter. I control 2 ph. If I point it here we need to hit a block a month for me to not suffer variance issues. 2ph is not enough to matter any more. it is .9 btc a month which is about a block every 13 or 14 months If I had 20 ph it would be a block every 1.3 to 1.4 months so I need about 40 ph to matter. this is not going to happen anytime soon.
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serje
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March 20, 2020, 08:35:05 PM |
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How often are payouts made from this pool? Is it only after a block has been found?
That is correct. Wow, how can anyone afford to miner here? I mean, the design seems great - but at this point with once per year payouts - that's rough. Too bad there isn't some sort of marketing campaign to get a lot of people to jump on all at once the get the blocks coming in faster. It looks like it was doing pretty well at one point - if the payouts were less all the fees usually involved, what prompted people to pull their miners elsewhere? That's a shame. Well, the irony is that a zero fee pool leaves more profit than those 4% fee PPS pools, and if enough hashrate was added to this pool, payments could become as frequent as daily, and with such frequency variance cease to matter. But that requires some petahashes per second to move here, rather than, remaining at the usual Chinese pools.As you can see "little fish" can't change this situation much. I suppose that the interface and pool help needs to be available in both Chinese and Russian... Marketing requires money, but a zero fee pool doesn't make any on its own... What the killer is Even with 2ph it is not enough to matter. I control 2 ph. If I point it here we need to hit a block a month for me to not suffer variance issues. 2ph is not enough to matter any more. it is .9 btc a month which is about a block every 13 or 14 months If I had 20 ph it would be a block every 1.3 to 1.4 months so I need about 40 ph to matter. this is not going to happen anytime soon. Is it possible to put this 2ph to the solo loto the other guy is organising?
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March 20, 2020, 09:14:22 PM |
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so I need about 40 ph to matter. this is not going to happen anytime soon. Why? It only takes some clueless Chinese controlling about 200ph to actually understand this and move the hashrate here. Could be a simple language barrier...
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philipma1957
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March 20, 2020, 09:35:41 PM |
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so I need about 40 ph to matter. this is not going to happen anytime soon. Why? It only takes some clueless Chinese controlling about 200ph to actually understand this and move the hashrate here. Could be a simple language barrier... I personally won't be getting 40ph my bad I should have been more clear.
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Mrbytes
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April 04, 2020, 08:55:58 AM |
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Good to everyone. I have been mining this pool for 4 months, and for a month, or since I surpassed a certain amount of Derb, my emoluments, do not drop as they had been until now, that is, every day I have a bite to the amount that I reached the previous day . No, it is not a figuration of mine, it is a reality that I have been observing day by day, it is impossible to give up.
Let's THINK RIGHT: There is an error on the web and the amounts shown for Derp are not correct, which makes me think that this is a bungling (which is already the charge per year). This only fosters mistrust of what is done with our work.
Let's think BAD: It is not entirely true that this pool is free, in fact once you overcome a certain amount of Derp we take small bites so that we do not appreciate what is being taken from us. I think that if you have to charge a certain commission, deciding it is enough, but let us know.
Maybe we want to be made to fall into laziness so that we leave out of boredom? And abandon our work of months for the benefit and fattening of "certain whales". In these times it is not wrong thinking.
At any rate, it does not give me any confidence that this is happening, I hope that you take me seriously, because I am not telling you this is not my appreciation, it is something that you can verify yourself.
Cheers
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April 04, 2020, 09:00:24 AM |
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Good to everyone. I have been mining this pool for 4 months, and for a month, or since I surpassed a certain amount of Derb, my emoluments, do not drop as they had been until now, that is, every day I have a bite to the amount that I reached the previous day . No, it is not a figuration of mine, it is a reality that I have been observing day by day, it is impossible to give up.
Let's THINK RIGHT: There is an error on the web and the amounts shown for Derp are not correct, which makes me think that this is a bungling (which is already the charge per year). This only fosters mistrust of what is done with our work.
Let's think BAD: It is not entirely true that this pool is free, in fact once you overcome a certain amount of Derp we take small bites so that we do not appreciate what is being taken from us. I think that if you have to charge a certain commission, deciding it is enough, but let us know.
Maybe we want to be made to fall into laziness so that we leave out of boredom? And abandon our work of months for the benefit and fattening of "certain whales". In these times it is not wrong thinking.
At any rate, it does not give me any confidence that this is happening, I hope that you take me seriously, because I am not telling you this is not my appreciation, it is something that you can verify yourself.
Cheers
If it's not free, where do you think the fee is going? Are you implying I'm somehow stealing your hashes? Only miners get payouts, you can see that in every block solved since I dropped the fee a long time ago. This pool only costs me money to run. Payout mechanics are too complex for a human to model in their head, especially over such a long period with wildly fluctuating hashrates, numbers of miners, and changing difficulties.
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April 04, 2020, 01:03:56 PM |
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I tell you what i see, give me a logical and convincing explanation of why this happens I have give two options , why do you respond to Bad options ?.
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-ck (OP)
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April 04, 2020, 01:20:11 PM |
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I tell you what i see, give me a logical and convincing explanation of why this happens I have give two options , why do you respond to Bad options ?.
Sorry I do not understand your broken English.
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April 04, 2020, 01:25:36 PM |
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Trying to follow to offer a line of explanation and defense but I am not quite sure what the accusation is.
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April 04, 2020, 01:43:30 PM |
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I tell you what i see, give me a logical and convincing explanation of why this happens I have give two options , why do you respond to Bad options ?.
CK pool is a highly trusted with a lot of miners. and CK is a highly trusted pool operator, I do not think what your saying is correct if you are trying to say the pool is stealing hashes then If I were you I would examine the work being sent to your miner I can say with confidence that I have looked over via proxy many times at the work being sent to and from my miners and never have seen any issues. I think if your going to come and make some accusations you should post proof with your claims. No offence but your a noob account making what looks to be claims that the pool is stealing from you without any sort of proof. Magic
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philipma1957
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April 04, 2020, 05:59:11 PM |
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It sounds like he thinks his derp is not correct.
Maybe he does not understand this is a 5n pool. Maybe he is doing a ramp up and thinks the amount grows too slowly. If he has no understanding of 5n I could get that he would be confused. Here is my miner Rank.................Address.....................................H/s 1h.....H/s 1d......H/s 1w...Workers........Shares...............Best share......luck ............herp........................derp 16 16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr 9.06TH/s 9.13TH/s 13.2TH/s 1 22,916,626,867 13754547806 100% 89,026,795,179 0.02408709
I will get about 0.02408 btc if we hit a block today
one of the issues of 5n and a small pool like this is the hash averages no longer reflect your 5n average which in turn makes derp hard to understand.
many would say how does a 9th miner get 0.02408 btc that is too good.
even if they look at my weekly 13.2th they say 0.02408 btc is too much.
what they don't realize the 5n for this pool is more then 1 year so I may have mined a ton back in oct of 2019 it only shows in my derp and no where else.
My guess is he sees derp for top 3
..........Address ..............................................H/s 1h H/s 1d H/s 1w workers shares ........best share............... luck .........................herp..............derp 1 3FE6XwqYfeYEwXcL1mngBsKb1jBZBaDQvQ 240TH/s 228TH/s 188TH/s 26 123,456,283,870 107066024386 ........100% 2,036,421,491,393 0.55097425 2 36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V 213TH/s 214TH/s 277TH/s 24 227,563,949,918 25726717143682 100% 9,007,638,605,640 2.43710693 3 32LA7cmsj35LH7cK1MjvwyoLEmYpuWAD9k 125TH/s 96.2TH/s 80.1TH/s 8 83,375,669,758 55209139173 ................100% 11,641,285,864,705 3.1496666
and he says why does 3 get paid more then 1
3 has less hash for 1 hour 3 has less hash for 1 day 3 has less hash for 1 week
3 gets 3.149 coins 1 gets 0.5509 coins
that is wrong.
if ck has H/s 5n in addition maybe he would see and understand.
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philipma1957
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April 04, 2020, 11:24:42 PM |
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Hi see the following pictures: That capture was taken at 4 in the afternoon That capture was taken at 10 o'clock tonight. Question? If I have not mined anything, and the data is the same, why has my Derp dropped?. From 10416 to down to 10249 I think now you will understand what I'm saying. Regards Okay the photos don't show. But if you do not mine as the rest of us mine you no longer contribute. Yet the rest of us contribute. So your share shrinks... another way if you mine 10 shares and we mine 90 shares total shares are 10 + 90= 100 you are 10 of 100 10/100 = 0.10 or 10% so you stop and don't mine. the rest of us mine on we do 100 more shares total shares are 100+100 = 200 you shares are 10 case you stopped. so 10/200 = 0.05 or 5% you lowered cause we mined on and you stopped. you derp or your payout is based on your work/pools work if you stopped mining your work stays the same but the pools work grows. 10/100 = 10% 10/200 = 5% this is why your derp is shrinking you stopped mining. you derp can shrink if you keep mining huh? wtf? sure 10/100 derp the same 10% 20/200 derp the same 10% 30/300 derp the same 10% 40/4000 derp drops to 1% wtf how did this happen? simple you stayed at the same hashing rate and a giant came by with many miners and fucking snatched away some derp from all other miners.
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April 05, 2020, 01:12:50 AM |
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Phil I make it a point to read all of your posts. Every time you type I learn something. Thank you for your contributions to this community and all members.
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philipma1957
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April 05, 2020, 02:17:28 AM |
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Phil I make it a point to read all of your posts. Every time you type I learn something. Thank you for your contributions to this community and all members.
I get too cranky as I get older> But I really wanted to try to explain this and made an effort. I guess since I am on lockdown with nothing else to do may as well try to help out.
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April 05, 2020, 09:12:19 AM Last edit: April 05, 2020, 12:45:49 PM by Mrbytes |
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Hi, this is my last capture, compare it with the last one I published. https://start-zone.net:8443/files/IMG_20200405_102235.jpgMy my miners are scheduled to work at economy rate (at night). During the day it would be expensive to do so. If you tell me that is my problem ....... I will say no. That you tell me (that after mining for 10 hours and 3,362,247 Shares work, I've only obtained 0.00000007 Derp, and that during the day that my miners are unemployed I LOSE 0.00000167 Derp), - THIS IS NORMAL! -. I think I already know what is the Achilles heel of this pool; - Why don't the blocks advance like other pools? - Why are we out of more than 6,500 users only 100 at most? My answers are: that there is no fair ratio for those of us who work with low electricity rates, and our work is not recognized, indeed, it IS PENALIZED. There is something non-solidarity in this pool, and that is something that you should indicate at the beginning of this thread. So the users must know what’s going on. I think that my 4 months mining for this pool have been useless, my effort is sterile. I am looking for a pool that charges me 4% of my Shares but does not touch my Derp (which is what should happen here). According to the policy of this pool, within 10 hours, not only will I have lost the work of tonight, but also part of that of yesterday
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