[WTB] Website Design & Development (Litecoin payment)

[CoinHoarder]

Hi all!

I am looking for a trustworthy forum member to setup, design, and develop a simple web site to sell physical Litecoins at. I am very serious about this project and am moving into the manufacturing stage of the first batch of coins, therefore I need to get a website setup to sell them on! I need someone that can do both the design and the development. I am not too concerned about the website looking all pretty and fancy, I just want it to work.

Rough draft design of the physical Litecoins:


Web Site Requirements:
- Accept Litecoin for payment
- Automatically calculate shipping costs
- A way to keep track of orders placed in an easy to read and secure manner

Bonus Points:
- Automatically load the physical Litecoins when someone buys one. (I will provide a text file with the addresses with private keys redacted.)
- An easy way to create shipping labels

My budget is about $1500usd, with a little wiggle room to work with. This can be payed via either Bitcoins or Litecoins.

Please submit all questions and correspondence in this thread. Feel free to submit a bid if you can meet all the requirements.

Thanks,

Ch

[Terk]

I'm a web developer with 15 years experience and I'd love to work on some BTC/LTC related project (besides my own project which I do in my spare time), but I am new to the forum so I don't meet all your criteria. I am posting though just in case.

[CoinHoarder]

I'm a web developer with 15 years experience and I'd love to work on some BTC/LTC related project (besides my own project which I do in my spare time), but I am new to the forum so I don't meet all your criteria. I am posting though just in case.

Thanks for your interest.

Being new doesn't matter so much, it's OK. It sounds like you are an experienced developer, but do you have any experience with Bitcoin/Litecoin integration?

Would you be using a shopping cart software suite, or making a simple custom solution?

I know people have provided open source plugins that are floating around on the litecoin forums... I think for OpenCart, Woocommerce, and maybe WordPress. Perhaps this could give you some direction if you've never integrated Litecoin payments.

[CoinHoarder]

https://github.com/dasher/OpenCart_Litecoin

This is the plugin that I've seen most sites that accept LTC use.. it is for OpenCart.

It could make the Litecoin acceptance part easy.

EDIT:

You could possibly beta test with these guys: https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1139.0.html
Word press plugin thread... turned into LaSeek OpenCart tutorial: https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,936.0.html

[Tekkna]

I'm also available, see my post in my signature.

Nice to see that you have the project development under way before asking for a site done. Sounds like an interesting project too, good luck

[Terk]

Being new doesn't matter so much, it's OK. It sounds like you are an experienced developer, but do you have any experience with Bitcoin/Litecoin integration?

I don't, but I read about it and it seems pretty straightforward. I've integrated dozens, if not over hundred, of different APIs before.

Would you be using a shopping cart software suite, or making a simple custom solution?
I know people have provided open source plugins that are floating around on the litecoin forums... I think for OpenCart, Woocommerce, and maybe WordPress. Perhaps this could give you some direction if you've never integrated Litecoin payments.

I don't think you need even 5% of features and complexity provided by full-featured e-commerce solutions, so I'm opting for a simple custom solution. Two reasons:

It will be easier for your users, as the interface would be designed especially for the purpose of purchasing coins, instead of trying to tailor some complex engine.

Security. Wordpress had countless critical security flaws in its history and I don't really trust it that much. I don't know about OpenCart, but every layer of 3rd party complex software provides unnecessary risks of critical bugs occurring sometime in the future (and if you'd use less than 5% of its features, I would call it unnecessary).

My plan on working with litecoin is to run a local instance of litecoind server (that's also required for that OpenCart module which you linked to) and talk to it over JSON-RPC protocol. That's as simple as it can be.

[CoinHoarder]

I can do this for 12 BTCs.

Qweedo, could you explain how you'd integrate LTC? Through plugin or custom solution?

I am probably more interested in a custom solution like Terk has proposed. I have messed around with open cart et al, and I agree they are much more complex with more features than I need.

Terk, can you provide a bid or an hourly rate?

Thanks guys  

[CoinHoarder]

Yeah I would just do a custom solution because the features and bonus features would be easier to create with a custom solution. I can really drill down to what you specifically want.

Ok cool! I'm guessing you have integrated LTC into ecommerce before?? I've seen you around since.. forever. 

Thanks for your bid, I'm going to give Terk a chance to provide a bid though (to be fair since he was first.)

[Terk]

And of course we'll be loading the physical litecoins as well. The transaction will work more or less like this:

1. We generate a new litecoin address for each order placed.
2. User pays to that address.
3. Once we receive user payment, we immediately send these LTC to multiple addresses: one is your address to send fixed per-coin cost, shipping costs, etc. Then there are physical litecoin addresses where we load funds for all coins that user ordered.

The goal is to keep litecoin balance within the app for as short as possible to eliminate losses in case someone hacked into your server, etc. Your address for coin/shipping costs can and should be a cold wallet address. Also, the app should be loaded only with public addresses of physical litecoins, so that the app will never have access to funds deposited into the coins and the coins will be safe even if everything is hacked (that is, you'll get the app secure, but there are thousands of things that can be hacked on a server - as we could read in so many places in recent days - so better safe than sorry).

My hourly rate is 0.4-0.5 BTC or we can agree for 15 BTC for the whole app. That includes very polished product as I'm very detail-oriented. I think it will take me more than 30 hours, but I will learn new things by the way, so I can work for a fixed fee (which I haven't done for six years;-)). Plus I would love to receive couple of these nice 1 LTC coins to give away to friends and spread the word about cryptocurrencies by the way :-)

[CoinHoarder]

And of course we'll be loading the physical litecoins as well. The transaction will work more or less like this:

1. We generate a new litecoin address for each order placed.
2. User pays to that address.
3. Once we receive user payment, we immediately send these LTC to multiple addresses: one is your address to send fixed per-coin cost, shipping costs, etc. Then there are physical litecoin addresses where we load funds for all coins that user ordered.

The goal is to keep litecoin balance within the app for as short as possible to eliminate losses in case someone hacked into your server, etc. Your address for coin/shipping costs can and should be a cold wallet address. Also, the app should be loaded only with public addresses of physical litecoins, so that the app will never have access to funds deposited into the coins and the coins will be safe even if everything is hacked (that is, you'll get the app secure, but there are thousands of things that can be hacked on a server - as we could read in so many places in recent days - so better safe than sorry).

My hourly rate is 0.4-0.5 BTC or we can agree for 15 BTC for the whole app. That includes very polished product as I'm very detail-oriented. I think it will take me more than 30 hours, but I will learn new things by the way, so I can work for a fixed fee (which I haven't done for six years;-)). Plus I would love to receive couple of these nice 1 LTC coins to give away to friends and spread the word about cryptocurrencies by the way :-)

Thanks for the detail... I think I am going to give you a shot. You seem like a smart guy and I like the way you explained everything to me. Plus... ya gotta start somewhere, I'd like to see more developers around that know how to do these things for the good of crypto coins.  

I can agree to 15 BTC through escrow with the requirement that you complete all features in the OP including the "bonus features".

PS to everyone: Private keys to the physical Litecoins themselves will never be shared to ANYONE but me and my record of them will be destroyed when the coins are made. Of course any list of addresses that I get to a web developer will have the private keys redacted.

[CoinHoarder]

I'm also available, see my post in my signature.

Nice to see that you have the project development under way before asking for a site done. Sounds like an interesting project too, good luck

Oh wow, I just saw this. Sorry buddy, I would have given you a chance to give a bid. I dunno how I missed your post earlier.  

If Terk backs out, I will contact you for a bid and choose between you and Gweedo.

Thanks for your interest

[Terk]

I can agree to 15 BTC through escrow with the requirement that you complete all features in the OP including the "bonus features".

Great! Thanks for giving a try to a forum-newbie :-). So I suggest we move to PM to work on details.

PS to everyone: Private keys to the physical Litecoins themselves will never be shared to ANYONE but me and my record of them will be destroyed when the coins are made. Of course any list of addresses that I get to a web developer will have the private keys redacted.

That is a no-brainer. There's no need for neither me nor the application to know private keys and it won't even be possible to upload private keys to the app, it will only accept public addresses.

Oh wow, I just saw this. Sorry buddy, I would have given you a chance to give a bid. I dunno how I missed your post earlier.  
If Terk backs out, I will contact you for a bid and choose between you and Gweedo.

I am not backing up, but if you want to consider more options then don't feel obliged yet. I am excited about this project but I don't want to hold you hostage just because I wast first to reply.

[CoinHoarder]

Gweedo,

Perhaps Terk explained himself better and I was willing to pay more because he has 15 years experience in web development.

I am willing to reconsider though, 12 BTC does sound better than 15 BTC, no offense Terk. Also, gweedo has experience integrating LTC into e-commerce which is nice.

Give me a night to sleep on it- it's getting late anyways and I've gotta work in the AM.

Thank you both for your time and sorry for not being so professional.

[Terk]

15 BTC vs 12 BTC? Really your going to pay a newbie more

I don't think that post count number on a bitcoin forum has anything to do with being newbie in software development, but hey, it's just me.

Good Luck! When you need someone to clean up the mess pm me

I suggest you start cleaning with the website in your signature ;-). A quick look into HTML source suggests knowledge at the level of  “Learn PHP in 7 days” book. Without looking at the source - frontend is messy as well. No offense, I am only judging the code.

I am willing to reconsider though, 12 BTC does sound better than 15 BTC, no offense Terk. Also, gweedo has experience integrating LTC into e-commerce which is nice.

Give me a night to sleep on it- it's getting late anyways and I've gotta work in the AM.

Of course. It's your money and your project. Don't hurry up. I'm going to bed as well, good night.

[CoinHoarder]

Ah.. I'm still up..

What a mess, I feel bad for creating a dispute. Just settle down guys.. there will be other projects to develop all the time around here. People are always asking for web development, etc.

I will finish this in PMs as to not cause any more drama.

No need to argue.

Thanks again,

Ch

[Terk]

On to my site and the defense, the site doesn't require a nice looking front-end which is bootstrap, so your saying a messy front-end which is just a framework isn't really saying you know too much.

Of course it's Twitter Bootstrap. You used top navbar and bottom pagination from standard Bootstrap elements. And these are the only elements on the page that look well. Everything between them is what you've coded by yourself and it looks like a mess. Nothing's even aligned.

Also don't you know you can't tell anything about php it is all backend, how do you even know what my code looks like?

I never wrote anything about the backend. I wrote that the frontend code suggests your skill level. You use HTML 5 doctype, yet you use deprecated <b> tags. You use &nbsp; for elements spacing instead of proper CSS. You didn't even know how to use Bootstrap properly, so you just wrapped everything in a <center> tag which also has been deprecated for years. You hot-link images from external websites instead of downloading and validating them, and then hosting from your site. The URLs suggest not using any framework, not even some simple URL routing and layer separation - it's just a PHP file per feature, with most likely totally mixed HTML/PHP code inside. Relative file paths, not relative to docroot, are nothing wrong per se, but also suggest lack of good habits. Also, I haven't seen page urls like “addtodirectory.php” or “index.php?page=2” in any professional work for years (instead of “/add” or “/2”).

I don't feel comfortable fingering things like that in public, but you specifically asked for that and it's you who started undermining me, writing about “cleaning the mess after me”, while not having any basis for that.

And don't get me wrong. None of thighs that I pointed out are things that would make a website break. Break like don't work at all. But there's a huge gap between something barely working and being a solid software and there's clearly lack of knowledge of standards and good practices in your work. And I probably don't need to explain the correlation between that and bugfulness and insecurity.

Dude you don't even have 15yrs web development at least show some code that proves that.

I enjoy using my nickname on this forum and don't want my day job involved in my profile here. I believe my experience and wether I know what I'm talking about can be judged basing on what I write - both in this embarrassing argument and in my reply to the OP.

Look at you ass-kisser. Your just mad cause I pointed out that your a newbie when it comes to the web development with a litcoind which you even admitted in the post above, and that your over charging the dude. So I am not going to fight with you but at least just come out say your butt-hurt, we can see it.

This is another difference between us. I am fully aware of what I don't know or what I haven't used yet. Furthermore, I voluntarily and transparently report that at the very beginning, while not even being asked about it, as it's the only professional and honest way of doing business that I know.

Let's just let the OP decide who he would like to trust more - you claiming that you know everything and you're the best; or me telling that I haven't used litecoind server before but I have read the documentation and find it very straightforward, so I'll have no problems in using it considering my experience, just like I used dozens of other APIs before.

The only thing someone might be worried regarding me is that as a new forum user I might not know how cryptocurrencies work. I hope I resolved that doubts before, writing how I would design the transaction process and money flow.

We clearly have our differences about each other skills (though I have no idea what are your basis), but I don't see any point in continuing this and I'd like to call EOT and let CoinHoarder do his job. No offense towards you gweedo.

[Terk]

It is all good, I will make this really easy for you, let him have the job for 15 BTC, cause I just don't even understand why he had to attack my career and my site, pretty scummy thing to do. Especially when he hasn't put a site of his own. If he needs a job that bad, then let him have it. I take my skills to someone else, it aint worth it to fight.

I'm sorry for that, but I don't feel like I attacked you, at least I only commented after you tried to undermine me. I clicked on link in your signature only after you wrote about cleaning the mess after me - to see what your work looks like and try to understand basis for your claims. No harm intended, peace.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I never wrote anything about the backend. I wrote that the frontend code suggests your skill level. You use HTML 5 doctype, yet you use deprecated <b> tags. You use &nbsp; for elements spacing instead of proper CSS. You didn't even know how to use Bootstrap properly, so you just wrapped everything in a <center> tag which also has been deprecated for years. You hot-link images from external websites instead of downloading and validating them, and then hosting from your site. The URLs suggest not using any framework, not even some simple URL routing and layer separation - it's just a PHP file per feature, with most likely totally mixed HTML/PHP code inside. Relative file paths, not relative to docroot, are nothing wrong per se, but also suggest lack of good habits. Also, I haven't seen page urls like “addtodirectory.php” or “index.php?page=2” in any professional work for years (instead of “/add” or “/2”).

Heh, pwnt

[nprussell]

As a web designer myself, and one of these noobies you speak of, I feel obliged to say that you've made yourself look like a complete prat, gweedo. You started the attack; you brought this on yourself. Now man up and call it a day.

Go with Terk. You get what you pay for.

[nprussell]

As a web designer myself, and one of these noobies you speak of, I feel obliged to say that you've made yourself look like a complete prat, gweedo.

Go with Terk. You get what you pay for.

Thank you for your input as you can clearly read Terk has the job cause I don't want the job even if Coinhoarder gives it to me I will decline. So I guess you support being a scummy person? Nice to know I will mark that.

How am I a "prat" first off define that word "prat" never heard it in my life. And am I one cause I saving the guy money by going with someone in his budget? Terk got all mad cause he assumed too much just like you.

First off, Prat: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prat

Terk didn't start this, you did. You're clearly a man who likes to get the last word in, so I'll leave it at that. If you want to waste your time replying, defending your post count's reputation, so be it; I'll never reply.