So much talk and 0 action, lets actually make a sovereign territory

[dank]

Time will tell.

[Anon136]

You can only wake people up... That's our only hope for freedom.

Exactly.  I dreamed of creating an island nation for a while but I realized it wouldn't change much in the big picture.  The proper way to free the slaves is to:

1. Take LSD and lose all your fear
2. Call out the government for being a bunch of greedy, corrupt, serial killing, coked up gangsters, repeatedly.
3. Tell everyone the CIA will kill you and you'll come back to life at a music festival to make earth heaven, to remove the negativity.
4. The CIA will surely hear you.  They know their reign of power is approaching an end, they'd prefer to have peace rather than retaliation.
5. Let the CIA peacefully kill you to show the world proof.
6. Ejoy doing anything you can believe while feeling infinite love.
7. World sees that you were right, the economy crashes and a music festival is assembled.
7. Play guitar at music festival

This way, we can have a peaceful rEVOLution.

buddy do you realize how crazy you sound when you talk? I KNOW that what ever you are doing isn't helping our cause if you are associating any sovereignty movement with crazy talk like that.

[kokjo]

You can only wake people up... That's our only hope for freedom.

Exactly.  I dreamed of creating an island nation for a while but I realized it wouldn't change much in the big picture.  The proper way to free the slaves is to:

1. Take LSD and lose all your fear
2. Call out the government for being a bunch of greedy, corrupt, serial killing, coked up gangsters, repeatedly.
3. Tell everyone the CIA will kill you and you'll come back to life at a music festival to make earth heaven, to remove the negativity.
4. The CIA will surely hear you.  They know their reign of power is approaching an end, they'd prefer to have peace rather than retaliation.
5. Let the CIA peacefully kill you to show the world proof.
6. Ejoy doing anything you can believe while feeling infinite love.
7. World sees that you were right, the economy crashes and a music festival is assembled.
7. Play guitar at music festival

This way, we can have a peaceful rEVOLution.

buddy do you realize how crazy you sound when you talk? I KNOW that what ever you are doing isn't helping our cause if you are associating any sovereignty movement with crazy talk like that.

Its not crazy talk! DANK IS JESUS! Don't you understand?

[LaggedOnUser]

Based on this discussion, I hereby propose a new country of the Internet, to be called "Bitland".
* What is it?  Open source, libertarian, democratic goverment of the Internet, similar to the way that Bitcoin (and the altcoins) are.
* Why is it needed?  To have an explicit, codified set of principles for governance of the Bitcoin community and its interactions, particularly business transactions.
* How can a government exist without land?  Yes, but how can a currency exist without an army?  It does so based on its attractiveness, by the willing participation of its members without the use of force.
* How does Bitland collect taxes?  It doesn't, it runs on donations for any necessary expenses.
* What does the government consist of?  A constitution, bill of rights, and set of laws that can be forked, modified, and improved, just like the Bitcoin software can be forked.
* How to start it?  Use a wiki to write the constitution and bill of rights.  Everyone votes.  90% acceptance means the constitution is valid.  90% vote needed to amend it.
* How to create laws?  Anyone can write a proposed law.  Summon a representative assembly and vote, with 2/3 majority needed for acceptance.
* How to become a citizen?  Either you are one of the 90% who voted for the constitution, or you swear to obey the constitution and laws and are admitted by a jury of citizens.
* How to quit from Bitland?  The same way you joined, only you repudiate your citizenship and your repudiation is acknowledged by a jury of citizens.
* How does Bitland regulate the activity of non-Bitlanders?  It doesn't, it only has jurisdiction over those who voluntarily agree to follow its laws.

Imagine that we create a new Internet government called the Free, Independent People of Bitland (FIPB).  What's the point?  Well, for starters, when you're doing international transactions, who has jurisdiction?  We need a lightweight, instant, Internet government that can play a binding role in judging Bitcoin disputes.  That way, someone doing business in Bitcoin can say, "I am a citizen of FIPB" or "I am a Bitlander" and you automatically know what common rules are expected.  If someone steals your coins, or doesn't deliver your product, or misbehaves generally contrary to the laws of Bitland, you can bring charges and summon up a jury of their peers, who can decide between them in a legally binding arbitration, thus avoiding the slowness, messiness, and jurisdictional disputes of existing governments.  If anyone refuses to accept the results of arbitration, they can be fined or expelled.

Later on, if the Bitland concept becomes popular, you can worry about obtaining real estate.

[Anon136]

democratic goverment of the Internet

Sorry you lost me on that one hoss. I have no interest in joining a government or a democracy just for the hell of it. Thats my problem with wirtland. The whole idea of making a nation for libertarians conflicts with the idea that most libertarians hold that is the individual sovereign. Maybe if it could be used as a means to an end, but not for the hell of it.

[LaggedOnUser]

democratic goverment of the Internet

Sorry you lost me on that one hoss. I have no interest in joining a government or a democracy just for the hell of it. Thats my problem with wirtland. The whole idea of making a nation for libertarians conflicts with the idea that most libertarians hold that is the individual sovereign. Maybe if it could be used as a means to an end, but not for the hell of it.

I understand how you might not be interested, but it wasn't proposed "just for the hell of it", but rather to decide relevant group standards and allow them to submit disputes to binding arbitration.  This would be used for things that matter, such as contract enforcement, not trivialities.  This concept is no more arbitrary than Bitcoin is arbitrary.  You as a sovereign individual can pretend that your notion of value is what matters, and that's fine, but look what happens when a group of people voluntarily decide on a shared notion of value -- that is Bitcoin, and it is not a waste of time!

[FeatherLite]

I've never loved another man until I read this thread, loool! Anon136 for President!

 Seriously though, you are right on que!

I have been touting this forever and been wanting to create an investment fund, from real Americans who want real change. An Island idea sucks IMO, I would rather get a parcel from a respectable country that has no ties to British rule.

Texas has the right...... but is too Shicken Chit to succeed! And that would be perfect there! Texas is even  ranked 14th largest economy in the world.

[Anon136]

I've never loved another man until I read this thread, loool! Anon136 for President!

 Seriously though, you are right on que!

I have been touting this forever and been wanting to create an investment fund, from real Americans who want real change. An Island idea sucks IMO, I would rather get a parcel from a respectable country that has no ties to British rule.

Texas has the right...... but is too Shicken Chit to succeed! And that would be perfect there! Texas is even  ranked 14th largest economy in the world.

yes since posting its been explained to me why this idea wouldn't work =(. Still you are right, if texas succeeded that would be such a huge deal. Despite all its shortcomings i would start packing my things literally 1 minute after i got the news.

[BTCLuke]

I understand how you might not be interested, but it wasn't proposed "just for the hell of it", but rather to decide relevant group standards and allow them to submit disputes to binding arbitration. 

Still not desirable in the least. As it is, the internet is a completely free medium, minus a few states' attempts to monitor and control access to it.

If you're trying to make order out of the anarchy that still exists online, then you're clearly in the wrong community as it's the bitcoin-loving anarchists who will fight you the hardest.

This would be used for things that matter, such as contract enforcement, not trivialities.

Have you even been to Judge.me?

You don't need any kind of a national structure to enforce contracts. In fact I bet one day there will be a free-market law based in software, much like bitcoin is a free-market money.

All functions of state need to be decentralized, not the other way around.

[herzmeister]

I think it's not a bad idea to have a distributed internet republic that is informal for us, but formal for "them". It may have no powers at all.

The mindsets out there require such things. First and foremost passports, for travel, airlines, etc. I don't want dual citizenship, I'd want to demonstrably abandon my old world citizenship and my old passport to make a statement.

[mberni]

So this thread fizzled out with no action? 

I think now is the perfect time to go ahead with a project like this. The Seasteading Institute has no competition and is making waves.

I have some plans of my own to put a killer team together and actually create a sovereign nation.

I think bitcoin/blockchain is the perfect technology to do something like this. What does everyone else think? Is anyone willing to get involved?