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April 28, 2013, 02:06:23 AM |
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Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.beThe accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts. If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified. When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board. The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law. Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=NSearch it yourself. |
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April 28, 2013, 02:13:33 AM |
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And no one gave a flying fuck.
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April 28, 2013, 02:24:56 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
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April 28, 2013, 02:36:28 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
I assume it's a lot cheaper than the imposed fines that can run into hundreds of thousands of dollars on manufacturers and retailers who sell products that don't conform. |
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April 28, 2013, 03:24:26 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes. |
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April 28, 2013, 03:50:37 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes. Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply? Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them. |
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April 28, 2013, 03:51:04 AM |
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Interesting.
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April 28, 2013, 04:07:08 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes. Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply? I don't know. Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.
black box Noun Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user. |
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April 28, 2013, 04:18:14 AM |
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FCC approval takes a lot of time and money, just saying...
In the US, all products containing electronics that oscillate above 9 kHz must be certified. The law that governs this is FCC Part 15 (Title 47 CFR Part 15). Should cost less than $20K. This cert might be what is holding up their bulk product shipments. Who knows, BFL is a black box that says they will ship black boxes. Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply? I don't know. Also, I don't know what you're referring to regarding black boxes, for I clearly see a logo on them.
black box Noun Any complex piece of equipment, typically a unit in an electronic system, with contents that are mysterious to the user. Ironically, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read the term, immediately thinking back to high school in science class where we had to build a black box out using a shoe box and put an item in it so the rest of the class can deduce what's inside. What I put inside mine was...wait for it...a key (seriously--a common, obsolete house key). |
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April 28, 2013, 04:31:00 AM |
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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!]  |
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April 28, 2013, 04:31:40 AM |
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Does the FCC have a clause stating that if less than X units are built and shipped, then FCC certification doesn't apply?
No such exemption exists. FCC Certification is mandatory for the BFL Products (And Avalon, I might add) Enigma |
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April 28, 2013, 04:41:42 AM |
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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO. Then you rage.  Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care. |
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April 28, 2013, 04:46:09 AM |
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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO. Then you rage. Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care. Eh.. Yes and no.. It should get certified for lots of reasons. If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device. Enigma |
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April 28, 2013, 04:55:19 AM |
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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO. Then you rage. Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care. Eh.. Yes and no.. It should get certified for lots of reasons. If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device. Enigma Yeah, UL is a different story. The FCC stuff is pretty benign...unless you get malignant tumors from RF. Then not so benign. |
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April 28, 2013, 05:05:05 AM |
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FCC web site says testing only takes 1-2 days if it passes on the first test.
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April 28, 2013, 05:22:32 AM |
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Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.beThe accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts. If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified. When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board. The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law. Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=NSearch it yourself. +1 ... but now will anyone do anything about this at all? That might be the real question right? |
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Phinnaeus Gage (OP)
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April 28, 2013, 06:01:08 AM |
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Zero fucks given, regarding presence or non-presence said stickers. [Pssst. I tore the label off my mattress too!] That is the correct response. Unless their chip emits RF which hoses up your Bluetooth causing your wireless game controllers to glitch causing you to die in HALO. Then you rage. Really, the only people who are going to care is BFL and the FCC. Unless BFL ends up in court over something, then the plaintiff would care. Eh.. Yes and no.. It should get certified for lots of reasons. If it's not UL listed, I sure as hell wouldn't plug it in. There ABSOLUTELY have been cases of insurance companies refusing to pay for a burned down house/building because the fire was caused by an unlisted device. Enigma Yeah, UL is a different story. The FCC stuff is pretty benign...unless you get malignant tumors from RF. Then not so benign. I agree with the FCC regulation being benign, but it is the law, just like wearing a seatbelt is the law. The UL requirement is not mandatory across the US, but is in many jurisdictions, hence companies who manufacture electrical device opt for the certification since they're most likely going to ship their products to such jurisdictions. Many municipalities, especially the larger ones, passed such laws to protect their citizens living in apartments, and elsewhere, from fires due to faulty unregulated appliances. I ain't got a clue as to how they were able to ship their previous line to Europe without a CE label, but I'm sure it was illegal. They're more than happy to come here and state their case as to how they're able to circumnavigate all three of these regulations. |
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April 28, 2013, 07:13:07 AM |
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what the hell FCC has anything to do with BFL device?
UL certification yeah, I get. But FCC? Can anyone explain? Miners do not emit any radio frequency, do they? They don't even talk to the network (computer does)
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April 28, 2013, 07:15:53 AM |
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Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resTnZa3erg&feature=youtu.beThe accompanying "brick" clearly shows the label, and if it didn't one, the supply sure as hell wouldn't have applied for it. The UL is definitely required being that it's a outlet plug of sorts. If the FCC requirement wasn't important, then Josh wouldn't have taken the time to lie about getting certified. When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board. The video is proof that this is a customer's unit and not that of a developer, therefore, at this speaking, Butterfly Labs is breaking the law. Also, as of Friday, BFL has not apply for FCC approval of any of their units. To be clear, if the FCC received a unit in their facility on Thursday from some entity, it would most definitely be on this website on Friday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=NSearch it yourself. Does Avalon have fcc approval  ? |
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