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June 05, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

You can make quick transactions on many exchanges like poloniex. Exchanges like Coinbase however are not set up for quick transactions.

Exactly, that's why I disagree with the OP because you can actually benefit for a few hours and not necessarily that everyone cannot benefit, some can actually profit quickly from the exchanges.
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June 05, 2017, 11:25:45 PM
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I do not seem to know that the system of the exchange site is automatically setting so if the price goes up then he will also go up, but different if it caught the same admin site then the possibility of the price of its site rise will slowly follow the market price
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June 05, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
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If you haven't invested while the price is still cheaper in the bitcoin market, I believed nobody wull benefit from a big pump. That's because when price pump will happen, you cannot buy bitcoin at a lower price value due to expensive price that arises. Those old holders will only benefit from a big pump and yet they will enjoy the opportunity of selling their holdings, in order to gain what profit earned for a long time waiting of price to became higher.
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June 06, 2017, 07:13:26 AM
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True believers, hodlers, will not sell even in times like these, when 95% of alts are pure pumps.
I do believe that the crypto market is overvalued at the moment. Or maybe I'm wrong and this is only the beginning phase of an incoming dot com.
I'm a hodler, with 99% of my portofolio in a single coin in which I believe. I know this is bad, but I'll stick with it till the end.
But yea, to the op, day traders, speculators will benefit from this pump.
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June 06, 2017, 08:05:59 AM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

You can make quick transactions on many exchanges like poloniex. Exchanges like Coinbase however are not set up for quick transactions.

Exactly, that's why I disagree with the OP because you can actually benefit for a few hours and not necessarily that everyone cannot benefit, some can actually profit quickly from the exchanges.
You people mean how quickly we will be executing our sell orders ? That is the requirement only when prices falling down immediately after hitting a big peak prices. But not just due to exchnages, usually we cannot sell at exact peak prices. I also disagree with OP because we can benefit from big pumps given that there will be enough time for that peak prices to sustain.

When a pump is falling down suddenly then obviously no one can get benefits out of it. When a pump involves more than $200 gaps, we can be sure to get some benefit from that.
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June 06, 2017, 08:30:16 AM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

Reputation is one of the important things for service providers such as these exchanges. If an exchange declines its customer in selling his assets then that would definitely ruin the reputation of the exchange. And surely, that is not good for them. Instead of having profits, the might end up without customers at all.

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June 06, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

You can make quick transactions on many exchanges like poloniex. Exchanges like Coinbase however are not set up for quick transactions.

Exactly, that's why I disagree with the OP because you can actually benefit for a few hours and not necessarily that everyone cannot benefit, some can actually profit quickly from the exchanges.
but a lot of people will lose their money in this pump and I have to say that it is not very good to make the profit from the bump because it will create fake volume, a fake price which will make a lot of people lose their money. It can also make a coin crash

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June 06, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
Last edit: June 06, 2017, 05:54:16 PM by deisik
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Have you ever traded yourself?

I mean at a currency or commodity exchange that would count as a regulated one? Obviously, you haven't since otherwise you would have known that this pattern of price behavior is omnipresent. It is the same with major currencies, commodities like oil as well as precious metals. The price may stay frozen literally for weeks and then crash or spike many percentages within a day or two (oil has been particularly notorious in this regard recently). I guess there should be a theory explaining this phenomenon (likely tied to market inertia), but it certainly has nothing with price manipulation as you mean it (i.e. something illegal which is possible only at cryproexchanges). Just in case, regulated exchanges are using the same tricks that unregulated ones employ, and they even get caught (sometimes). I'd rather say it is you who is really naive here

I took you off my ignore list just in time to see this response. First off, trading at an exchange is not required to examine the suspicious coin price charts. But of course I have traded BTC and other cryptos.  Do you really think that the massive price shifts for every crypto are "market driven", or normal?  What other financial asset class has such rapid price growth and collapse? I guess it's time for you to start googling. And don't give me "penny stocks"

I asked you about trading at a "real" regulated exchange

Such as a commodity or currency exchange like NYMEX or MICEX. I'm not talking about cryptoexchanges like Bitstamp or Bitfinex. The price shifts there are absolutely the same, and they follow the same patterns. There is nothing unusual with that. You can ask any experienced trader, and he will tell you that prices don't change gradually, they almost always move in sudden bursts, either up or down. Some assets are more susceptible to such changes, some less, but that has nothing to do whether the exchange is regulated or not. In this sense, they are "normal" and as market driven as any price could ever be. I don't need to Google anything, I have already told you about crude oil since I traded oil futures myself and I remember the days when the price changed a dozen percentages within 24 hours. I can also tell you about silver which grew a few times within months in 2011. It kinda looks that it is you who needs to get first-hand experience first

Just LOL. You act as if there is something legitimare about your "real" exchanges. Prices there are manipulated in the same ways as I am discussing, if only to a lesser degree due to some mild regulations by SEC and CFTC (agencies that very rarely do anything about the widespread fraud and are in the pocket of major corporations). Oil futures must be one of the most rigged markets in the world. COMEX, forget it, they might have 5% of the "gold" they've sold over the past 20 years...

I never said anything to the contrary

In fact, I always say that myself, and I said that again in one of my replies to your posts above. In case you didn't notice that piece, I can quote it here:

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Just in case, regulated exchanges are using the same tricks that unregulated ones employ, and they even get caught (sometimes). I'd rather say it is you who is really naive here

But what you say now is certainly not the point that you were trying to make at first. I'd rather say it is directly opposite to what you mean this time around. I will just quote your first post below, so that everyone could see for themselves:

The admins of the exchanges doesn't have enough bitcoin for manipulation because their markets are all decentralized because they are using decentralized currencies so there is no chance for them to manipulate the price of the currencies there and the only thing that they can do is to maintain their site, Bitcoin price is always depending in the demand and not manipulation.

Sorry, but that point of view seems naive to me. You are aware that the cryptocurrency space is almost complete unregulated?

Therefore, there is nothing stopping an exchange from front-running trades, controlling volume in their favor, outright hacking prices, and arbitraging other exchanges. With transaction volume at all-time highs, there is even more opportunity to "time the markets" and profit handsomely. Have you noticed the volatility on these exchanges? Prices will stay static for 2 weeks and then suddenly leap 100% - that's basically a huge red flag that a market is being manipulated

Now try to make sense of that and how it is different from what you say now ("prices there are manipulated in the same ways as I am discussing"). So how is cryptocurrency space which is "almost completely unregulated" different from other "regulated spaces", which is what your point is essentially about (namely, that "regulated space" would be different)? And you even specifically emphasized the word "unregulated". You may try to back-pedal this issue, you may try to side-step it, you may even try to lol it or otherwise ridicule it, I'm in no hurry to wipe the floor with you (you have well deserved it anyway)

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June 06, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
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If there is an exchange I think there will be many who will hold your coins if you want them. The market generates a big profit from trading costs so as to make money with volume and the price is not too important to them.
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June 06, 2017, 04:22:07 PM
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I think  there's no reason to an exchange do this, they wil get profit anyway. Now i'm thinking about the lags or DDOS they talk about. Poloniex for example, i like to trade there but in the last month was so hard to make anything (trade, withdrawal, stop-limit that don't work, etc...). Should this deliberately?

OBS: I don't want to put Poloniex integrity in question here, is just an example.
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June 06, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
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Bitcoin demand has raised since Japan legalized it and Australia is coming with legalization as well, soo more investors will come into bitcoin. The concept of bitcoin were to grow over time, with the block halving soo dont expect the price to go down and remain down then the current 2200 dollars, even the split looks isnt a really problem and might not happen anymore.
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June 06, 2017, 05:22:43 PM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?
I don't know if that would ever happen I mean that is a huge pump that you are talking about,
And we still don't really know if the exchanger would let you do it or not but I think they would provably just let you do it since it is the price of your coin.

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June 06, 2017, 06:11:02 PM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?
I don't know if that would ever happen I mean that is a huge pump that you are talking about,
And we still don't really know if the exchanger would let you do it or not but I think they would provably just let you do it since it is the price of your coin.
Yes, for a common exchange model, big pump or dump is not a problem as they are just into matching business and not into real buying/selling bitcoins. In most of the cases we can expect to allow us to continue our trading as per we prefer. When there will be no profits/losses out of any extreme pump or dump, why exchanges need to block ourselves for no reasons.

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June 06, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
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What is @op going on about now? Exchanges won't let you sell if bitcoin prices rise too quickly? Why not just sell them on localbitcoins then?
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June 06, 2017, 11:01:34 PM
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Many people are getting the benefits from exchanges that generate huge profits and as much as possible. Since bitcoin prices will rise within hours, they may exchange bitcoin levels.

Everyone who owns or earns btc, or any other altcoin would benefit from a big pump though that's for a short term only. Pumps can't br sustained in the long run that's why there will always be a time for the price to go down, it's always been that way
Not necessarily, if the price doubles overnight and you sell and then the price goes back to normal after a few days and then you buy you have effectively doubled your bitcoin without doing much and that is not only a short term benefit but a long term benefit since we know the price of bitcoin will keep going up naturally as more people enter into the market.



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June 07, 2017, 12:12:31 AM
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The only thing people must realize is that exchanges does provide a trusted plataffor to trade, some might affect the market since they can have someone or a bot trading all currencies all days, but this i doubt the big ones will make such. Knowing all btc as well money belongs to someone there is no risks for the exchanges to fail, and the big volatility of bitcoin is good to investors that does trade it 24/7.
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June 07, 2017, 12:42:59 AM
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Bitcoin demand has raised since Japan legalized it and Australia is coming with legalization as well, soo more investors will come into bitcoin. The concept of bitcoin were to grow over time, with the block halving soo dont expect the price to go down and remain down then the current 2200 dollars, even the split looks isnt a really problem and might not happen anymore.

That is one of the reason and if you are aware of what happened from the past days. The exchanges rate are too high and there are some that are not allowing people to sell. The local exchange here in our country did a fast adjustment after the price increase, they did increased the selling rate for almost 30%.
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June 07, 2017, 12:48:10 AM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I didn't know what will happen, but I think it can be a possibility. I think they will be waiting for hours or maybe days before they can allow someone to sell it. But, if you can't sell it, maybe you can convert it. I am using a coins.ph wallet where we can convert bitcoin into fiat in a second, so I think if they did not allow me to do a cash out, I will be converting that bitcoin into fiat. And after a dump, I will be converting it again to bitcoin.

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June 07, 2017, 01:29:01 AM
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If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I didn't know what will happen, but I think it can be a possibility. I think they will be waiting for hours or maybe days before they can allow someone to sell it. But, if you can't sell it, maybe you can convert it. I am using a coins.ph wallet where we can convert bitcoin into fiat in a second, so I think if they did not allow me to do a cash out, I will be converting that bitcoin into fiat. And after a dump, I will be converting it again to bitcoin.

market will not prevent any transactions if there are no serious internal problems, so there's no prohibition if large pumps occur within a certain time range, this is called liquidity. We can monitor trends and charts regularly every day, so do not wait to see when whales make the most of the trend, and we can benefit from whatever happens.

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June 07, 2017, 01:36:42 AM
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In my opinion there are many who benefits from a big pump , exchange will always allow there users to exchange anytime regardless with the change of price of Bitcoin, if they will hold the users fund because of the instant big pump then the user may call that exchange site a scammer.
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