Nobody Can Have Benefit From a Big Pump

[Rinder]

Some exchanges does play into some pumps and join them, but in the end the money from costumer its possible, if a big pump happens, only who has money will be able to buy, i dont believe exchanges will have any issue, instead they sell 1000 bitcoins=1 milion, they will sell 300 bitcoins 1 milion easy as that.

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[Zicadis]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Some exchanges does play into some pumps and join them, but in the end the money from costumer its possible, if a big pump happens, only who has money will be able to buy, i dont believe exchanges will have any issue, instead they sell 1000 bitcoins=1 milion, they will sell 300 bitcoins 1 milion easy as that.

That is the only realistic option that could happen,you can only buy something if you are having money and for that you need to have a regular job.
so are you telling that the exchanges are manipulating with the price and users funds.If so that is a big accusation you are making.The people who have the guts to take some risks gets the maximum benefit from a big pump.

[freebutcaged]

Some exchanges does play into some pumps and join them, but in the end the money from costumer its possible, if a big pump happens, only who has money will be able to buy, i dont believe exchanges will have any issue, instead they sell 1000 bitcoins=1 milion, they will sell 300 bitcoins 1 milion easy as that.

That is the only realistic option that could happen,you can only buy something if you are having money and for that you need to have a regular job.
so are you telling that the exchanges are manipulating with the price and users funds.If so that is a big accusation you are making.The people who have the guts to take some risks gets the maximum benefit from a big pump.

Please don't act like none of you know this fact already that exchanges do manipulate markets and take advantage from every opportunity? did you think they are satisfied with their commissions and low fees? when pumps happening their sites loads so slow that makes it impossible to do anything because of so much lag. Good examples are services such as yobit and polo, kraken etc.
They buy most of the coins and start manipulating the buy/sell orders in their own favor.
It's a proven fact.

[VanDeinsberg12]

I think all investors will have benefits because they can dump and make a lot of profits.

Yes, for sure investors will going to grab the chance to make exchange to have some profit and after they will going to wait again it crashes again then after they will have to buy coins in the low price then wait to pump up again and sell. This process goes on and off for the traders and this is their skill to get profit by just the pump and dump of the coins.

The investors are able to dump his coin and grab a lot of money, They have taken a lot of profit. They may cash out his profit and put the early fund to be his capital to buy back again on the cheap price.

This is just a game with a lot of risks. Some without strong metal can get stressed to lose a lot of his funds just in a second.

[Sled]

I think all investors will have benefits because they can dump and make a lot of profits.

Yes, for sure investors will going to grab the chance to make exchange to have some profit and after they will going to wait again it crashes again then after they will have to buy coins in the low price then wait to pump up again and sell. This process goes on and off for the traders and this is their skill to get profit by just the pump and dump of the coins.

The investors are able to dump his coin and grab a lot of money, They have taken a lot of profit. They may cash out his profit and put the early fund to be his capital to buy back again on the cheap price.

This is just a game with a lot of risks. Some without strong metal can get stressed to lose a lot of his funds just in a second.

Yes that is how this game works especially in investing or trading bitcoins because there is a lot of smart trader or investors out there and if they a good coin they will invest to it on a early stage and they will hold it for long time and after the big pump they will sell and get the profits and enjoy it. That is how we need to play the game to get benefits from a big pump .

[Inkdatar]

I think they will allow it because trading exchange earned through fees from the traders. This is the way they can earn fees. Ofcourse traders can have benefit from a big pump by buying  hold and selling it.

[danherbias07]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

No. That is foolish. That is business they are running and they cant prevent people from withdrawing if they want too.
They will lose all their customers if they do that. They will run? So what will be next after they vanish. They will have nothing.
This is not how a business works. They took the risk so they must continue whatever the price would be. Besides, they have bitcoins themselves. Simply selling it will still make a lot of room for them.

[deisik]

Some exchanges does play into some pumps and join them, but in the end the money from costumer its possible, if a big pump happens, only who has money will be able to buy, i dont believe exchanges will have any issue, instead they sell 1000 bitcoins=1 milion, they will sell 300 bitcoins 1 milion easy as that.

That is the only realistic option that could happen,you can only buy something if you are having money and for that you need to have a regular job.
so are you telling that the exchanges are manipulating with the price and users funds.If so that is a big accusation you are making.The people who have the guts to take some risks gets the maximum benefit from a big pump.

Please don't act like none of you know this fact already that exchanges do manipulate markets and take advantage from every opportunity? did you think they are satisfied with their commissions and low fees? when pumps happening their sites loads so slow that makes it impossible to do anything because of so much lag. Good examples are services such as yobit and polo, kraken etc.
They buy most of the coins and start manipulating the buy/sell orders in their own favor.
It's a proven fact

I don't think this is a proven fact

This is only a suspicion (or just an opinion). Unless caught red-handed, we should give the exchanges the benefit of doubt, shouldn't we? When there is a spike in trading volume during "rush" hours, exchanges, especially the smaller ones can have problems processing so many requests. I know one exchange which starts maintenance work in these hours (but maybe it is just a coincidence). That said, I myself think that many if not all exchanges are front-running the orders of their clients, but I still don't think that any decent (more or less) exchange starts manipulating the orders directly. Or maybe you mean something entirely different here

[Xester]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain.

[RoommateAgreement]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain.

a fast rise and a huge traffic on exchanges which may cause some downtime doesn't have anything to do with bitcoin price getting "pumped". so OP has to make up his mind, and talk about only one specific topic:
- price pump (meaning going from $1300 to $3000 in an hour for example)
- price rise (meaning rising from $1300 to $1400)
- not being able to withdraw from exchanges.
these are 3 different and completely irrelevent topics.

[deisik]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain

What blockchain problem do you refer to?

The only problems that have happened so far are stuck transactions (long confirmation times), but these are irrelevant both to blockchain and exchanges. Bitcoin is not your fiat with which banks can block payment channels, freeze your funds (as an option, outright seize them), or just announce banking holidays whenever they see appropriate (I don't even speak about usual weekends and holidays). On the other hand, blockchain is open 24/7/365(366) with no weekends or holidays as well as maintenance hours

[nethan1btc]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain

What blockchain problem do you refer to?

The only problems that have happened so far are stuck transactions (long confirmation times), but these are irrelevant both to blockchain and exchanges. Bitcoin is not your fiat with which banks can block payment channels, freeze your funds (as an option, outright seize them), or just announce banking holidays whenever they see appropriate (I don't even speak about usual weekends and holidays). On the other hand, blockchain is open 24/7/365(366) with no weekends or holidays as well as maintenance hours

So you mean this mainly the common situation which could happen when price pump is happening in the blockchain and exchanges. Yes most of us think that it's the reason, but all of those certain happening was not only the basis of what is actually happening here. Blockchain network really is the liable of how transactions delays and even sending confirmations is concerned, and yet price will normally rises up and also decreases, so we must be patient enough of this kind of problems and I know staffs were doing their best to resolve this issues.

[talkbitcoin]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain

What blockchain problem do you refer to?

The only problems that have happened so far are stuck transactions (long confirmation times), but these are irrelevant both to blockchain and exchanges. Bitcoin is not your fiat with which banks can block payment channels, freeze your funds (as an option, outright seize them), or just announce banking holidays whenever they see appropriate (I don't even speak about usual weekends and holidays). On the other hand, blockchain is open 24/7/365(366) with no weekends or holidays as well as maintenance hours

So you mean this mainly the common situation which could happen when price pump is happening in the blockchain and exchanges. Yes most of us think that it's the reason, but all of those certain happening was not only the basis of what is actually happening here. Blockchain network really is the liable of how transactions delays and even sending confirmations is concerned, and yet price will normally rises up and also decreases, so we must be patient enough of this kind of problems and I know staffs were doing their best to resolve this issues.

things you are saying are nearly irrelevant to each other!
price rise is based on supply and demand. and demand is rising with more adoption and it has nothing to do with confirmation time or more accurately, enforcing higher fees.

and what are these "staff" that you are referring to!
there are no staff, you must be thinking bitcoin is some kind of centralized banking system that some people are processing transactions by hand

[deisik]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I DON'T AGREE TO THIS! Why would an exchange not allow you to sell your bitcoins? On what grounds will the hold your funds?
They should know better how bitcoin can be volatile at times and payout even when its a loss on their side.

I guess I have misread the post of the author last time. But there are also points to what he mentioned in his post but it is not about not be able to sell bitcoin but rather you cannot withdraw your bitcoin from the exchanges during the increase of value. As experience maintenance always occurs and there is delay in the withdrawals but I dont know if its because the exchanges doesnt want to let us withdraw or there is problem on the blockchain

What blockchain problem do you refer to?

The only problems that have happened so far are stuck transactions (long confirmation times), but these are irrelevant both to blockchain and exchanges. Bitcoin is not your fiat with which banks can block payment channels, freeze your funds (as an option, outright seize them), or just announce banking holidays whenever they see appropriate (I don't even speak about usual weekends and holidays). On the other hand, blockchain is open 24/7/365(366) with no weekends or holidays as well as maintenance hours

So you mean this mainly the common situation which could happen when price pump is happening in the blockchain and exchanges. Yes most of us think that it's the reason, but all of those certain happening was not only the basis of what is actually happening here. Blockchain network really is the liable of how transactions delays and even sending confirmations is concerned, and yet price will normally rises up and also decreases, so we must be patient enough of this kind of problems and I know staffs were doing their best to resolve this issues.

Well, now someone else refers to something as nonexistent

At first, there were some problems "on the blockchain", now we have some staff working on these nonexistent issues to resolve them. What staff are you talking about? Apart from that, stuck transactions and slow confirmation times have more to do with Bitcoin miners deliberately refusing to confirm transactions (in an effort to scrounge higher fees). Obviously, this has nothing to do with exchanges allegedly withholding withdrawals in times of above average price volatility

[classicsucks]

At first, there were some problems "on the blockchain", now we have some staff working on these nonexistent issues to resolve them. What staff are you talking about? Apart from that, stuck transactions and slow confirmation times have more to do with Bitcoin miners deliberately refusing to confirm transactions (in an effort to scrounge higher fees). Obviously, this has nothing to do with exchanges allegedly withholding withdrawals in times of above average price volatility

Are you joking? Stuck transactions are due to the blocksize limit, FFS. Miners aren't scrounging fees, they're unable to keep up with the volume because they can only process 1MB every block interval.

[alani123]

Here's the thing, bitcoin miners are at a profitability greater than ever and mining equipment manufacturers are having great days too as the profitability can only increase demand and help make mining more sustainable in the longer term.

[maku]

At first, there were some problems "on the blockchain", now we have some staff working on these nonexistent issues to resolve them. What staff are you talking about? Apart from that, stuck transactions and slow confirmation times have more to do with Bitcoin miners deliberately refusing to confirm transactions (in an effort to scrounge higher fees). Obviously, this has nothing to do with exchanges allegedly withholding withdrawals in times of above average price volatility

Are you joking? Stuck transactions are due to the blocksize limit, FFS. Miners aren't scrounging fees, they're unable to keep up with the volume because they can only process 1MB every block interval.

Bitcoin network is being spammed. All legit uses of the blockchain are currently 750k/block average.
Rest is unsanctioned use e.g. spam or other useless data hidden in the blocks.

If we had some way to sort microtrasaction/filter spam then half megabyte block would be more that sufficient.

[blackhawkeye1912]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I think that's not going to be happen, and I do agreed that exchange won't allow it to be happen because if they know that  it will bring them a big loss. And sometimes the common problem with the exchange transaction was once it transferred in the blockchain the transaction confirmation is being delayed. So the release of bitcoin is not easily transfer to our wallet addresses.

[Sled]

If Bitcoin price pumps from $1300 to $3000 in few hours, nobody would make profit from it, because the exchanges wouldn't allow you to sell your Bitcoins and make the fast profit, it would bring a big loss for exchange sites.

Do you agree with this?

I think that's not going to be happen, and I do agreed that exchange won't allow it to be happen because if they know that  it will bring them a big loss. And sometimes the common problem with the exchange transaction was once it transferred in the blockchain the transaction confirmation is being delayed. So the release of bitcoin is not easily transfer to our wallet addresses.

Yes the exchangers site will  not allow that being not allowed sell because of the pumps because if they do that then it will be a huge damage to their reputation a lot of people will not trust their site anymore. The only thing that exchangers do is to have a market where people can buy and sell and allowing and not allowing selling is not their concern because they already making a lot of money from the fees of transactions in their site.