if 10,000 libertarians moved to Nauru, ron paul could be president

[ElectricMucus]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there.  

I very strongly respect your right to get to gather with other authoritarians to create your hierarchical authoritarian paradise. I'm very glad to hear that you extend a very similar respect to me!  

So everybody is happy.  
FYI: This is actually called pogo anarchism.

On a serious note I am not really what you call an authoritarian, I may be a traditional anarchist, I have not exactly figured that one out, I just see Libertarianism as hypocrisy.

[myrkul]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there. 

I very strongly respect your right to get to gather with other authoritarians to create your hierarchical authoritarian paradise. I'm very glad to hear that you extend a very similar respect to me! 

So everybody is happy. 
FYI: This is actually called pogo anarchism.

No, not quite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany

Not really at all, in fact.

[ElectricMucus]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there. 

I very strongly respect your right to get to gather with other authoritarians to create your hierarchical authoritarian paradise. I'm very glad to hear that you extend a very similar respect to me! 

So everybody is happy. 
FYI: This is actually called pogo anarchism.

No, not quite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany

Not really at all, in fact.

You haven't visited their site it's much more accessible in German though. As for Libertopia that would be quite close to the "Gewalt Erlebnis-Park" (violence theme park) as I can practically imagine.

[Anon136]

But seriously if just 10,000 libertarians could afford to purchase citizenship there than we could take over the government (since it has a population of less than 10,000 we could outvote everyone).

I see a slight problem.

Even if you "outvote everyone" and elect your chosen representatives, Nauru is still stuck with its foreign debt of hundreds of millions of dollars. The nations who lent it that money aren't going to be happy if Nauru defaults.

thats fine we can take on the debt but they would have to sell us the island for relatively less to offset that cost.

[Anon136]

I support the idea of libertarians moving somewhere remotely. Especially if it is so remote that I will never be there.  

I very strongly respect your right to get to gather with other authoritarians to create your hierarchical authoritarian paradise. I'm very glad to hear that you extend a very similar respect to me!  

So everybody is happy.  
FYI: This is actually called pogo anarchism.

No, not quite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Pogo_Party_of_Germany

Not really at all, in fact.

You haven't visited their site it's much more accessible in German though. As for Libertopia that would be quite close to the "Gewalt Erlebnis-Park" (violence theme park) as I can practically imagine.

So you believe that a society that was predicated on the most fundamental notion of libertarianism which is that the initiation of violence is unacceptable would be a particularly violent place? that's like saying that you expect commune X to be one of the highest consumer of beef per capita in the world because its comprised entirely of vegans.

[ElectricMucus]

So you believe that a society that was predicated on the most fundamental notion of libertarianism which is that the initiation of violence is unacceptable would be a particularly violent place? that's like saying that you expect commune X to be one of the highest consumer of beef per capita in the world because its comprised entirely of vegans.

I just think that the rigid definitions of ownership and social contracts will get in the way. Any squatter knows more about ant-authoritarianism than you guys.

[Anon136]

So you believe that a society that was predicated on the most fundamental notion of libertarianism which is that the initiation of violence is unacceptable would be a particularly violent place? that's like saying that you expect commune X to be one of the highest consumer of beef per capita in the world because its comprised entirely of vegans.

I just think that the rigid definitions of ownership and social contracts will get in the way. Any squatter knows more about ant-authoritarianism than you guys.

Which one of our two principals do you dislike? the method for original appropriation which is homesteading or the method of transfer which is voluntary exchange?

[ElectricMucus]

So you believe that a society that was predicated on the most fundamental notion of libertarianism which is that the initiation of violence is unacceptable would be a particularly violent place? that's like saying that you expect commune X to be one of the highest consumer of beef per capita in the world because its comprised entirely of vegans.

I just think that the rigid definitions of ownership and social contracts will get in the way. Any squatter knows more about ant-authoritarianism than you guys.

Which one of our two principals do you dislike? the method for original appropriation which is homesteading or the method of transfer which is voluntary exchange?

I just told you.

[Anon136]

So you believe that a society that was predicated on the most fundamental notion of libertarianism which is that the initiation of violence is unacceptable would be a particularly violent place? that's like saying that you expect commune X to be one of the highest consumer of beef per capita in the world because its comprised entirely of vegans.

I just think that the rigid definitions of ownership and social contracts will get in the way. Any squatter knows more about ant-authoritarianism than you guys.

Which one of our two principals do you dislike? the method for original appropriation which is homesteading or the method of transfer which is voluntary exchange?

I just told you.

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

[ElectricMucus]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted. This is what you call power, the potential application of force.

[myrkul]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

I think your English broke.

"or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted."

[ElectricMucus]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

I think your English broke.

"or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted."

Well it's not my mother-tongue.

[Anon136]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

Application =/= initiation

[ElectricMucus]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

Application =/= initiation

That's what fighting kids say too once you stop them.

[myrkul]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

Application =/= initiation

That's what fighting kids say too once you stop them.

Let me make it simple for you, with a concept as old as Rome:

Vim Vi Repellere Licet

[ElectricMucus]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

Application =/= initiation

That's what fighting kids say too once you stop them.

Let me make it simple for you, with a concept as old as Rome:

Vim Vi Repellere Licet

Yeah that makes it sound more romantic. 

[Mike Christ]

Well it's not my mother-tongue.

What was your first?

[ElectricMucus]

Well it's not my mother-tongue.

What was your first?

German

[Anon136]

i guess im just not all that bright then, i hope that you will be patient with me. i dont understand how that answered my question. unless you mean to say that you dont believe in the consept of property in general?

You are close.
The concept of property is inherently tied to the application of force, or if you will lack thereof when one instance has been accepted.

Application =/= initiation

That's what fighting kids say too once you stop them.

cool story?

[wachtwoord]

Let me make it simple for you, with a concept as old as Rome:

Vim Vi Repellere Licet

Couldn't agree more.

But ElectricMucus , yes property rights imply at least the threat of the application of force to enforce that property right. If you have ethical objections to that you must be a communist