Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)

[FinShaggy]

From:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=let_the_machines_do_the_work

Fully Unemployed Society


This has been a dream of man since the dawn of civilization. Even the Egyptians had slaves to do their work, so that they could live more comfortable lives. They even considered their Egyptian language (or Ma'at) to be magical, because not only could it put their mindscape into reality, it could get things done through orders and chain of command.





Slavery


Slavery was the first attempt to “let the machines do the work”, but slaves are PEOPLE, so that doesn't work. I even believe that animals should be liberated and humans should be taught to communicate through body language with animals. Slavery seemed to work for a long time, because social systems allowed it to. Just as society allows industrial slavery today





Industrialization


Industry changed everything, a machine could do the work of 1,000 men. But it started even before that. Feudalism, and cottage industry. There are still examples of this today, but it has mostly died out except among middle class Americans. Cottage industry is where a town agrees to make something for a company, say mittens. So they knit mittens, and at the end of the month the company comes by, buys all the mittens, then sells them for more somewhere else. That is cottage industry. Feudalism is where 1 man owns a piece of land and allows others to live on his land for a price. In the past people would do this in an attempt to make money for themselves (usually floundering under the taxes of a king or government), but now people seem satisfied to do it for no profit, and example being: Home Owners Associations

When machines started being built though, even cottage industry and feudalism were wiped out. Whoever owned the land could demolish the cottages or farms, build one giant factory or plantation, and pay one 'industrial slave' (and usually his family) to run the machines, and earn the money. So textile mills, companies like Dole, steel mills, railroads and everything popped up.

But this was still not a means to “let the machines do the work”, even though it was an attempt. There are still people in the middle struggling for income. It even got so bad they had “industry towns”, which were just over crowded ghettos where the employers forced their employees to live. They got paid money that could only be spent at shops on company property, and most of their checks went straight back to their employers for rent. We haven't gotten very far away from that, and that was less than 200 years ago.





Slave to the Dollar


Now we aren't forced to live in industry towns, and work in steel mills. But the average Wal Mart emplpoyee still qualifies for welfare, and we don't blame Wal Mart for the excess of welfare recipients. And, most people don't like their jobs and would rather not work them, but they don't leave because of the almighty dollar

In the 1960s groups like YIP or the Youth International Party supported the idea of a fully unemployed society.





The Solution


Mining.

Mine COINS. Let the machines do the work. True, you have to get funding, but there are websites where you can ask for funding, and you can try to do something to earn coins to fund your mining.

But this is FINALLY the solution, our society has discovered how to “let the machines do the work”. Mine coin, support the coin economy when you have excess money. And everyone can live happily, with a means of income brought to them basically for free.

EVERY other time one of these revolutions has taken place in any society, someone gets left behind or put in a lower class, or considered the machines…

This time NO ONE should be left behind. Don't be greedy, help save the world.

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[Ekaros]

I think you didn't think this one through...

Someone needs still to produce the stuff, and just adding to/getting cut from new money doesn't really produce anything...

[FinShaggy]

I think you didn't think this one through...

Someone needs still to produce the stuff, and just adding to/getting cut from new money doesn't really produce anything...

Machines already produce most of our stuff. Cars, other machines, toys, money. Machines could do all that work still, we just need a few inventions in between the humans at the factories and the machines that already exist.

I have thought this through very far.
If we work towards a fully unemployed society, eventually the only jobs left are: Mechanic, Inventor and Specialized jobs.

Meaning:

1. Everyone would have a machine that they repaired, or checked on. (even through a webcam as long as it's working)

2. Some people invent new machines, and new things for people to do.

3. Some jobs will still be necessary, until a machine is invented for them. Ex: Brain surgeon.

....

But, everyone could make a pretty good extra income right now, and we could solve a lot of poverty, hunger, education and child care issues simply by WORKING TOWARDS and unemployed society, I understand that it will not actually be fully unemployed for a long time.

We could basically become a society of businessmen (traders) and inventors, that have knowledge of mechanics and engineering. Like America started out as.

[Ekaros]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

[FinShaggy]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable. When people are comfortable (financially) they can afford machines that other people invent, and they can afford to start inventing things themselves (and next to being poor, being lazy is the 2nd best motivator of inventiveness), and to help others reach financial comfort.

And if everyone doesn't have to worry about what to do with poor people, and what to do with hungry people, and what to do with homeless people, we can start focusing on REAL shit (even though some people will still be focused on abortion).

[myrkul]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

[FinShaggy]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

Because that happens to be illegal, while mining isn't, but basically does the same thing.

[FinShaggy]

The goal isn't to mine and sit on your ass for the rest of your life while the machines do more mining to make you money to live on.

The idea is to mine, then make money, then use that money to put real life applications into place. Invention is the only one that I have mentioned, but there are plenty of other ways to start your own company, or publish your own book/magazine, start your own website, make your own movie, run a political campaign, start a charity.

Make the world a better place by mining.

EX:
If you have earned a lot of money mining, buy a "Brother" T-Shirt printing machine. It may cost $5,000-$15,000. But you now have a machine that can print like 6-12 shirts an hour, and it will look like a real shirt, not ironed on shit.

Guess what, now you own a REAL t-shirt making company. And the machines do most of the work, and you can continue mining, maybe even hire people to do the work for you, or make an invention to do it. And you can do the same with magazines, and newspapers. It's just printers, but you do have to get a really good one.

[myrkul]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

Because that happens to be illegal, while mining isn't, but basically does the same thing.

No, you misunderstand. Why can't the government just give everyone a million dollars? Then we'd all be rich.

[FinShaggy]

Attempt in the 60s to create a free society. The information is from a NY based group known as "The Diggers" and it was printed into a book by Abbie Hoffman.
http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html

[FinShaggy]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

Because that happens to be illegal, while mining isn't, but basically does the same thing.

No, you misunderstand. Why can't the government just give everyone a million dollars? Then we'd all be rich.

Lol, no you don't understand. At that point the dollar becomes the peso.

[myrkul]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

Because that happens to be illegal, while mining isn't, but basically does the same thing.

No, you misunderstand. Why can't the government just give everyone a million dollars? Then we'd all be rich.

Lol, no you don't understand. At that point the dollar becomes the peso.

Actually, I think you're beginning to understand. An economy needs more than bankers.

[FinShaggy]

My point was that everyone mining doesn't solve anything at all...

Still, I'm very skeptical that people making or designing the machines won't restrict those...

Yes it does, everyone mining, gives everyone money, making everyone comfortable.

Why mine at all, then, why not just print money and give it to everyone?

Because that happens to be illegal, while mining isn't, but basically does the same thing.

No, you misunderstand. Why can't the government just give everyone a million dollars? Then we'd all be rich.

Lol, no you don't understand. At that point the dollar becomes the peso.

Actually, I think you're beginning to understand. An economy needs more than bankers.

Lol, I think you aren't reading, because I have said the whole time we need mechanics, inventors and specialized professionals.

[myrkul]

Lol, I think you aren't reading, because I have said the whole time we need mechanics, inventors and specialized professionals.

But mining doesn't feed your kids. Sure, it (might) generate some money, but it doesn't grow the food.

[FinShaggy]

Lol, I think you aren't reading, because I have said the whole time we need mechanics, inventors and specialized professionals.

But mining doesn't feed your kids. Sure, it (might) generate some money, but it doesn't grow the food.

But it buys the farm and the seeds. Then continues to provide income after that.

[Ekaros]

The goal isn't to mine and sit on your ass for the rest of your life while the machines do more mining to make you money to live on.

The idea is to mine, then make money, then use that money to put real life applications into place. Invention is the only one that I have mentioned, but there are plenty of other ways to start your own company, or publish your own book/magazine, start your own website, make your own movie, run a political campaign, start a charity.

Make the world a better place by mining.

EX:
If you have earned a lot of money mining, buy a "Brother" T-Shirt printing machine. It may cost $5,000-$15,000. But you now have a machine that can print like 6-12 shirts an hour, and it will look like a real shirt, not ironed on shit.

Guess what, now you own a REAL t-shirt making company. And the machines do most of the work, and you can continue mining, maybe even hire people to do the work for you, or make an invention to do it. And you can do the same with magazines, and newspapers. It's just printers, but you do have to get a really good one.

So then those people you hire will be slaves...

So you are saying that one should use mining as means to get capital to start bussiness. And that isn't really anything new. You still need the capital...

[FinShaggy]

So then those people you hire will be slaves...

So you are saying that one should use mining as means to get capital to start bussiness. And that isn't really anything new. You still need the capital...

YES,
WE ARE NOT A FULLY UNEMPLOYED SOCIETY YET. We are WORKING TWOARDS IT. So the people hired would be slaves to the dollar, and so would everyone else, until we get rid of paper money.

And yes that is what I am saying, because that is ALL anyone can do for now. But I am adding the suggestion that you INVENT things, and GIVE to others.

Did you really need it explained in that much detail?

[myrkul]

Did you really need it explained in that much detail?

Here, let me save you the time and trouble.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

[FinShaggy]

Did you really need it explained in that much detail?

Here, let me save you the time and trouble.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

I know what the Zeitgeist movement is. Why do you guys think you are helping? You could ACTUALLY help by presenting links like that in a non douchey manner, like saying "I read something like this here". You are both acting like this isn't something that should be shared.

[hawkeye]

You realise that if everyone was mining coins the difficulty would be much greater and the electricity cost may outweigh the amount of money that the coins are worth?

Mining requires capital investment.   It's profitable because not everyone does it.  And just because you have or are making money from it doesn't mean you've discovered some brilliant thing that will save people from having to perform labour.

Machines are doing more and more work for us, but that's got nothing to do with mining coins.  Mining coins is fundamentally no different than mining gold and putting it in a vault.  Neither produces anything that humans can use in their daily lives but both have been necessary to facilitate trade.