Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)

[FinShaggy]

I'm going to say this slowly, so that you can wrap your brain around it.

Marijuana does not improve logic.

In fact, it does just the opposite.

If you are high, you are not thinking clearly.

Yes, it would be wonderful if everyone just got along.

No, you can't run an economy on PS3s.

Let me say this slowly so you can understand it

Talking about weed has nothing to do with the topic at hand

You are out of arguments

You have lost

So now you are trolling me

Stop it.

[FinShaggy]

Share you wealth.

GIVE YOUR NEXT MINING RIG TO A FRIEND AS A GIFT. Not me, a friend. Or even a family member.

[myrkul]

Stop it.

lol

I'm not trolling you. I'm saying the idea is stupid, and it's stupid because you're high. If you were not, perhaps you could see how stupid it is.

The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.

[FinShaggy]

Stop it.

lol

I'm not trolling you. I'm saying the idea is stupid, and it's stupid because you're high.

Which is trolling me.

Why don't you ACTUALLY try to prove how I am wrong. 

[myrkul]

The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.

[FinShaggy]

The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.

That's not an argument to my point, because that is not the point at all. '

My point is that if we SHARE we can all live comfortably, and if we all live comfortably we can start inventing things and WORK TOWARDS LETTING THE MACHINES DO THE WORK.

And I am not wrong.

[myrkul]

The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.

That's not an argument to my point, because that is not the point at all. '

My point is that if we SHARE we can all live comfortably, and if we all live comfortably we can start inventing things and WORK TOWARDS LETTING THE MACHINES DO THE WORK.

And I am not wrong.

I see. If we share, we can all live comfortably.

You know, this plan has been tried before. Didn't work out too well.

[Ekaros]

The argument is simple: You cannot run an economy with mining hardware.

That's not an argument to my point, because that is not the point at all. '

My point is that if we SHARE we can all live comfortably, and if we all live comfortably we can start inventing things and WORK TOWARDS LETTING THE MACHINES DO THE WORK.

And I am not wrong.

You know there is one part wrong there.

Humans...

[FinShaggy]

I see. If we share, we can all live comfortably.

You know, this plan has been tried before. Didn't work out too well.

It has NOT been tried before, we have never had the means to do this.

[FinShaggy]

You know there is one part wrong there.

Humans...

More specifically, humans like you and cat guy.

[myrkul]

I see. If we share, we can all live comfortably.

You know, this plan has been tried before. Didn't work out too well.

It has NOT been tried before, we have never had the means to do this.

No, not robosocialism. The whole "if we all share" thing. That has been tried, many times and many ways, and it never works.

[FinShaggy]

I see. If we share, we can all live comfortably.

You know, this plan has been tried before. Didn't work out too well.

It has NOT been tried before, we have never had the means to do this.

No, not robosocialism. The whole "if we all share" thing. That has been tried, many times and many ways, and it never works.

We never had the robots before, so full sharing was never an option. Socialism ALWAYS turned into communism, which is no better than a dictatorship.

But robosocialism gives the opportunity for a Robosocialist Republic. And what that means is, a FREE society of individuals who own their own land and property, who pay taxes to NO MAN and NO ENTITY, they just provide what they need by donating the money themselves. If you want something, start a committee to get funding, or fund it yourself.

Every man should have the right to a machine, provided through recycling programs (used machines). And every man who already has a stock pile of coins has the opportunity to be a job creator.

Problem: "Oh know, people are hoarding coins." Guess what, you can always mine them. You could always make your own new one. Or you could always invent a new machine or product that people want to spend their coins on.

AND, if the government needs money: to go to war, to feed people, to shelter people (though there should be people doing that already if there is that much money flowing), then the government provides a service. Ex: Coin Exchange website, online wallet, etc. And things like it does today, like :the DMV, camping at parks, etc. or even (you guessed it) mining(or providing electricity).

[myrkul]

I see. If we share, we can all live comfortably.

You know, this plan has been tried before. Didn't work out too well.

It has NOT been tried before, we have never had the means to do this.

No, not robosocialism. The whole "if we all share" thing. That has been tried, many times and many ways, and it never works.

We never had the robots before, so full sharing was never an option. Socialism ALWAYS turned into communism, which is no better than a dictatorship.

But robosocialism gives the opportunity for a Robosocialist Republic. And what that means is, a FREE society of individuals who own their own land and property, who pay taxes to NO MAN and NO ENTITY, they just provide what they need by donating the money themselves. If you want something, start a committee to get funding, or fund it yourself.

Every man should have the right to a machine, provided through recycling programs (used machines). And every man who already has a stock pile of coins has the opportunity to be a job creator.

Problem: "Oh know, people are hoarding coins." Guess what, you can always mine them. You could always make your own new one. Or you could always invent a new machine or product that people want to spend their coins on.electricity).

Careful. That last bit sounds suspiciously like capitalism.

[FinShaggy]

Careful. That last bit sounds suspiciously like capitalism.

You aren't even staying on point. WE HAVE TO USE CAPITOLISM TO GET TO A FREE SOCIETY. Have you learned any history yet? Are you still in school? What grade? I can help you with whatever you're having problems with.

One type of society, BECOMES the new type of society. It happens over time, and while it's happening it seems like it won't, but it DOES. People thought slavery was just PART of America in the past, but we got past that. People thought the UK just "owned" America, we got past that.

And guess what, we CAN become a free people.

[myrkul]

Careful. That last bit sounds suspiciously like capitalism.

You aren't even staying on point. WE HAVE TO USE CAPITOLISM TO GET TO A FREE SOCIETY. Have you learned any history yet? Are you still in school? What grade? I can help you with whatever you're having problems with.

One type of society, BECOMES the new type of society. It happens over time, and while it's happening it seems like it won't, but it DOES. People thought slavery was just PART of America in the past, but we got past that. People thought the UK just "owned" America, we got past that.

And guess what, we CAN become a free people.

Yeah, but capitalism doesn't just "become" socialism. Nor is it necessary to get rid of capitalism in order to become free.

[Mike Christ]

The argument is, how do we do the following:

A. Become free (by removing the state)

and

B. Ensure everyone's playing nicely through socialism (to make this system work)

They're in direct conflict; A requires there to be no state, but B requires a state to keep the system in check.  In this case, robosocialism requires machines to act as the state.  Because machines are programmed by people, they're merely another proxy; who programs the machines?  Who invents these rules, and how would we change them?

[genpayne]

Can't be bothered reading the whole thread, but

Anyone else thinking Matrix?

[Francesco]

Mining is profitable as long as there is a huge barrier to entry -up until now, the fact that comparatively very few even thought of doing it. As soon as big capital discovers the game, you'll have 3-4 big industries that have the most powerful machines, located where they can get the cheapest electricity, maybe also in bulk discount. The difficulty will then be so high no one else will be profitable again; since no one else will have advanced enough mining rigs, nor cheap enough electricity; since they will require a very huge effort in initial capital and specialized management to get. There goes your money for everyone.

As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?

[Ekaros]

As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?

Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be treding to situation where less and less people have work available.

It would be interesting to get calculations how many people need to be employed to feed everyone, that is including the whole supply chain. With less waste I think the end result would be surprisingly few...

There is two alternatives, either we go socialism. Or we don't care about majority's situation...

[myrkul]

As it has been said before, our society could probably afford taxing hard (eventually through printing money, and thus inflation) a relatively small working elite, to allow the others to live a simple frugal country life without need of doing anything. But do we really want it?

Question is more of do we have alternatives? Entry to job market seems to be trending to situation where less and less people have work available.

Would you like to know why?