Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)

[myrkul]

RIGHT! The most conservative state in the union is the PERFECT breeding ground for Robosocialism!

And no, by "state" I mean "government."

YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE POINTS WHEN YOU TALK.

Yes, Texas would be a perfect 'breeding ground' for a Robosocialist Republic, just as it is serving as a perfect 'breeding ground' for regular socialism (have you ever been to a college campus), and a 'breeding ground' for illegal immigrants (even though conservatives hate them), and a 'breeding ground' for stoners (even though it has some of the harshest drug laws).

Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.

[FinShaggy]

Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AUSTIN (Exactly my point though, you automatically knew a part of Texas it would work in) and was raised in McKinney, and East Texas is my favorite place, because of all the broke stoners (that would love an opportunity like this).

[myrkul]

Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AUSTIN and was raised in McKinney, and East Texas is my favorite place, because of all the broke stoners (that would love an opportunity like this).

Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?

[FinShaggy]

Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?

While making money.

[Mike Christ]

  You don't say, "I want people to be free and I want to end economic slavery", and then turn around and say, "By the way I agree that we need to be ruled and ordered by the state."

Exactly, I don't say that.

What I said is:
I want people to be free to not have to get a job they don't want
&
I want a state that only makes money via SERVICES to it's citizens, that they willingly pay for

Ahh--my bad.  To do this, you stop regulating, by removing the government (or limiting them to the point where they can do nothing.)  Why must it be the guy with all the soldiers who provides these "services"?  What services are these which a normal business who lacks military force cannot provide?

[myrkul]

Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?

While making money.

Have you tried mining yet? Do you know if you can actually turn a profit doing so with your specific hardware?

[FinShaggy]

Ahh--my bad.  To do this, you stop regulating, by removing the government (or limiting them to the point where they can do nothing.)  Why must it be the guy with all the soldiers who provides these "services"?  What services are these which a normal business who lacks military force cannot provide?

There would be no end to regulation, as a Republic the nation would regulate itself still, based on the decisions of the people.

[FinShaggy]

Have you tried mining yet? Do you know if you can actually turn a profit doing so with your specific hardware?

No I have not tried mining yet, and I know for a FACT I can not turn a profit using my specific hardware.
Both of these things are irrelevant to the topic, and me mining.

[Mike Christ]

There would be no end to regulation, as a Republic the nation would regulate itself still, based on the decisions of the people.

We already have that, America is what you're referring to.  So far, it hasn't been working out, thanks to regulation and socialism.

[FinShaggy]

We already have that, America is what you're referring to.  So far, it hasn't been working out, thanks to regulation and socialism.

No it's not. Our welfare system is horrible, and there is no striving for unemployment. And not every man is given a means to produce money.

[FinShaggy]

What I am referring to is what America wishes it was, and is supposed to be.

[myrkul]

Have you tried mining yet? Do you know if you can actually turn a profit doing so with your specific hardware?

No I have not tried mining yet, and I know for a FACT I can not turn a profit using my specific hardware.
Both of these things are irrelevant to the topic, and me mining.

OK, Economics 101:
Spending more money than you are generating is not "making money." It's losing money.

[FinShaggy]

OK, Economics 101:
Spending more money than you are generating is not "making money." It's losing money.

This thread 101:
That was never an issue. You are again not making any point, except to prove that our current economic system is SHIT.

[myrkul]

OK, Economics 101:
Spending more money than you are generating is not "making money." It's losing money.

This thread 101:
That was never an issue. You are again not making any point, except to prove that our current economic system is SHIT.

Dude, look: Mining takes electricity. If you are spending more on electricity than you are generating via mining, all you're doing is running an expensive heater. In the summer. In Texas.

[FinShaggy]

Dude, look: Mining takes electricity. If you are spending more on electricity than you are generating via mining, all you're doing is running an expensive heater. In the summer. In Texas.

1) Read the thread in my sig, Solar powered mining is a solution. And as mentioned MANY times in this thread, REIVESTMENT is a solution.

2) I know 2 people mining in Texas already, you can mine.

[Mike Christ]

No it's not. Our welfare system is horrible, and there is no striving for unemployment. And not every man is given a means to produce money.

Welfare is socialism.  It's horrible because it's taking someone's cash and giving it to someone else, through force, without consent (outside of "If you live here, you have to do it.")

Though you're right that not everyone can produce money, it's also costly to produce Bitcoin, and normal people can't live off it.  If everyone mined, you'd make very little (or less than what you're paying for the mining rig,) because everyone would be competing to the point where it was no longer profitable.  People stop mining when they can't profit.  Other people make more money when people stop mining, and it becomes profitable again.  If everyone mined, they'd have to do so out of force, because nobody wants to plug up a machine that works at a loss.

People need to work these things out on their own.  Government intervention only causes problems.  You cannot improve Obamacare, outside of destroying it.  That's socialism at work.  It's artificial.  If people are given the freedom to do as they please, they'll also find the freedom to do the work they want.  You'll see businesses shutting down for not finding people willing to work at the wages provided (minimum wage; thanks, government, for telling people 7.25 is supposed to be living wage.)  You'll see businesses rising from those who once said, "There's no jobs, I can do nothing," and flourishing; do you know why Apple is outsourcing all its labor to China?  Regulation makes it unprofitable to do it in America.  If people, which is behind the system you tout, are the key, why must we introduce a state?  The state is great at tax farming, but they're not so great at letting people do what they want.  It's a conflict.  For people to be free to choose their work, their businesses need to be free.  What good is the state, then, when it comes to a free market?  What is their service?

[myrkul]

Dude, look: Mining takes electricity. If you are spending more on electricity than you are generating via mining, all you're doing is running an expensive heater. In the summer. In Texas.

1) Read the thread in my sig, Solar powered mining is a solution. And as mentioned MANY times in this thread, REIVESTMENT is a solution.

The equipment is very expensive, you need the panel, the inverter, the converter... and it gives only a few watts, maybe you can run only 1 computer with each equipment.

And pray for sun.

2) I know 2 people mining in Texas already, you can mine.

That whooshing noise? That was you, missing the point.

[FinShaggy]

Welfare is socialism.  It's horrible because it's taking someone's cash and giving it to someone else, through force, without consent (outside of "If you live here, you have to do it.")

Though you're right that not everyone can produce money, it's also costly to produce Bitcoin, and normal people can't live off it.  If everyone mined, you'd make very little (or less than what you're paying for the mining rig,) because everyone would be competing to the point where it was no longer profitable.  People stop mining when they can't profit.  Other people make more money when people stop mining, and it becomes profitable again.  If everyone mined, they'd have to do so out of force, because nobody wants to plug up a machine that works at a loss.

People need to work these things out on their own.  Government intervention only causes problems.  You cannot improve Obamacare, outside of destroying it.  That's socialism at work.  It's artificial.  If people are given the freedom to do as they please, they'll also find the freedom to do the work they want.  You'll see businesses shutting down for not finding people willing to work at the wages provided (minimum wage; thanks, government, for telling people 7.25 is supposed to be living wage.)  You'll see businesses rising from those who once said, "There's no jobs, I can do nothing," and flourishing; do you know why Apple is outsourcing all its labor to China?  Regulation makes it unprofitable to do it in America.  If people, which is behind the system you tout, are the key, why must we introduce a state?  The state is great at tax farming, but they're not so great at letting people do what they want.  It's a conflict.  For people to be free to choose their work, their businesses need to be free.  What good is the state, then, when it comes to a free market?  What is their service?

Well I am proposing a BETTER welfare system, that simply RECYCLES old equipment and houses people in places that can be sectioned off partially as a giant mining network. (Why not let people live there?) Then allows people to get on their feet by giving them something they can use to trade on an online stock market.

Like, imagine if turned ALL libraries into giant mining buildings. AND had rooms that homeless people could sleep in at night.
1) The library becomes profitable
2) Homeless people have a place to stay, and they can use the public computers during the day for trading instead of whatever homeless people are doing on the computer right now at the library.

And not all people can work these things out on their own, I agree people need to be independent. BUT, imagine you are 6 years old, your mom says "go sell this on the corner to mr. joe and mr. bob when they pass", hands you a bag of rocks, then says "Do this and you get to eat tonight." Then she goes in the back room with the guy that gave her the bag of rocks.

Now this kid gets older, he's 12, doing the same thing. He starts going to jail for it now though.
Then when he's 16 his mom dies, all he knows is this rock and whatever the people that hung around his house would teach him.

You don't think that guy deserves another chance? A chance to not live in a cell?
PEOPLE NEED HELP.

[FinShaggy]

That whooshing noise? That was you, missing the point.

Nope, I am certain that it was YOU missing the point. It doesn't matter how much it costs to set up if I give them their original mining rigs, then everything is FREEE!!!

[myrkul]

That whooshing noise? That was you, missing the point.

Nope, I am certain that it was YOU missing the point. It doesn't matter how much it costs to set up if I give them their original mining rigs, then everything is FREEE!!!

And where are you going to get the money to give these away?