Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)

[myrkul]

Nope, try to keep up. That was an answer to your question about how festivals are tied to letting the machines do the work. The DMV was just an example of a byproduct. In no way was it the "topic" we were on. lol.

Yes, and then I asked why you didn't include that information in the original post, instead of whining about golf courses..

And I said you cant just expect everything to be in the first post

I can indeed. If you're trying to show how a system will work, you should probably explain the system, yeah?

[FinShaggy]

I can indeed. If you're trying to show how a system will work, you should probably explain the system, yeah?

I did explain the system. I just didn't say "and some money goes to machines" in places that it was obvious. I explained the machines in places where it wasn't blatantly clear that machines could be afforded, because this is not "how we FINISH the let the machines do the work program", this is BEFORE we ever start inventing machines. This is how the machines START doing the work.

The later parts of the philosophy WERE actually explained in the VERY first post. So I don't even see why you are complaining when everything you are looking for has been presented to you clearly. lol.

[myrkul]

I did explain the system. I just didn't say "and some money goes to machines" in places that it was obvious. I explained the machines in places where it wasn't blatantly clear that machines could be afforded, because this is not "how we FINISH the let the machines do the work program", this is BEFORE we ever start inventing machines. This is how the machines START doing the work.

Where it would be obvious to you is not necessarily where it would be obvious to someone who isn't in your head. You have to explain those things. And you can't force people to slog through a bunch of complaining before getting to where you actually start talking about how things could be implemented. At least, not if you actually want them to read what you're writing.

[FinShaggy]

I did explain the system. I just didn't say "and some money goes to machines" in places that it was obvious. I explained the machines in places where it wasn't blatantly clear that machines could be afforded, because this is not "how we FINISH the let the machines do the work program", this is BEFORE we ever start inventing machines. This is how the machines START doing the work.

Where it would be obvious to you is not necessarily where it would be obvious to someone who isn't in your head. You have to explain those things. And you can't force people to slog through a bunch of complaining before getting to where you actually start talking about how things could be implemented. At least, not if you actually want them to read what you're writing.

No I don't have to explain those things, the things I have explained will take one or more terms to complete. I have no intention of forcing the future of these plans on a community, I will slowly present options for the future, as I am doing now. I'm not going to ask any person or group to change EVERYTHING they do. Just change in the slightest, so that the things they already do are more communal, profitable and progressive.

[myrkul]

I did explain the system. I just didn't say "and some money goes to machines" in places that it was obvious. I explained the machines in places where it wasn't blatantly clear that machines could be afforded, because this is not "how we FINISH the let the machines do the work program", this is BEFORE we ever start inventing machines. This is how the machines START doing the work.

Where it would be obvious to you is not necessarily where it would be obvious to someone who isn't in your head. You have to explain those things. And you can't force people to slog through a bunch of complaining before getting to where you actually start talking about how things could be implemented. At least, not if you actually want them to read what you're writing.

No I don't have to explain those things, the things I have explained will take one or more terms to complete. I have no intention of forcing the future of these plans on a community, I will slowly present options for the future, as I am doing now. I'm not going to ask any person or group to change EVERYTHING they do. Just change a little, so that they things they already do are more communal, profitable and progressive.

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not.)

[FinShaggy]

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not)

Nope, I just KNOW that you are the public. And I'm not going to present my plans to the public as if I want to over run a town with robots. I want to apply basic parts of the philosophy into a REAL community, as I explained the post was before I even posted it. Then see where it goes from there.

I plan on spending tons of time in Mexico and Africa, so that could end up just being a 4 year thing, to give back to my home. Plus I plan on giving other people the power, I will act more like a PAC. So the town can do whatever it wants after.

[myrkul]

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not)

Nope, I just KNOW that you are the public. And I'm not going to present my plans to the public as if I want to over run a town with robots.

Why not? You presented a plan to overrun the entire world with robots in the OP. Why not let us in on your dreams for one tiny town?

[FinShaggy]

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not)

Nope, I just KNOW that you are the public. And I'm not going to present my plans to the public as if I want to over run a town with robots.

Why not? You presented a plan to overrun the entire world with robots in the OP. Why not let us in on your dreams for one tiny town?

No, I presented a philosophy that could end slavery. That is all.

If you took it any other way that is your fault.

The Collin county discussion came later, and is only an example of how the philosophy could begin to be applied in a REAL place.

[myrkul]

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not)

Nope, I just KNOW that you are the public. And I'm not going to present my plans to the public as if I want to over run a town with robots.

Why not? You presented a plan to overrun the entire world with robots in the OP. Why not let us in on your dreams for one tiny town?

No, I presented a philosophy that could end slavery. That is all.

By overrunning the world with robots, and making them our slaves.

The Collin county discussion came later, and is only an example of how the philosophy could begin to be applied in a REAL place.

An incomplete example, and one burdened with a lot of extraneous sidetracking.

[FinShaggy]

I think you may be confusing us with the voters in McKinney. (hint: We're not)

Nope, I just KNOW that you are the public. And I'm not going to present my plans to the public as if I want to over run a town with robots.

Why not? You presented a plan to overrun the entire world with robots in the OP. Why not let us in on your dreams for one tiny town?

No, I presented a philosophy that could end slavery. That is all.

By overrunning the world with robots, and making them our slaves.

The Collin county discussion came later, and is only an example of how the philosophy could begin to be applied in a REAL place.

An incomplete example, and one burdened with a lot of extraneous sidetracking.

Not the world, any society.

The idea was complete, you just failed to recognize what it was meant to be. (by my guesses on purpose in an attempt to troll)

[myrkul]

The idea was complete, you just failed to recognize what it was meant to be. (by my guesses on purpose in an attempt to troll)

But it wasn't:

All of this earns money for small business and the government, which in turn allows for the purchase of robots or bitcoin miners. Which is the beginning of the "let the machines do the work" taking over. Ex: Automated DMV (what are they really even doing besides telling you if you have the right stuff, which a machine could easily figure out, and ONE or two people could be staffed to watch the machines and help people out. Kinda like an arcade.)

Why do you expect EVERY point to be the first post.

For completeness.

[FinShaggy]

The idea was complete, you just failed to recognize what it was meant to be. (by my guesses on purpose in an attempt to troll)

But it wasn't:

All of this earns money for small business and the government, which in turn allows for the purchase of robots or bitcoin miners. Which is the beginning of the "let the machines do the work" taking over. Ex: Automated DMV (what are they really even doing besides telling you if you have the right stuff, which a machine could easily figure out, and ONE or two people could be staffed to watch the machines and help people out. Kinda like an arcade.)

Why do you expect EVERY point to be the first post.

For completeness.

I already explained that everything you asked me to go into further detail about DID NOT belong in the original posts.
I am not trying to force a society to buy robots, but you asked the question "how can festivals support robots" an I answered.

That was a question an answer personal to YOU. Not the campaign.

[FinShaggy]

The idea was complete, you just failed to recognize what it was meant to be. (by my guesses on purpose in an attempt to troll)

But it wasn't:

All of this earns money for small business and the government, which in turn allows for the purchase of robots or bitcoin miners. Which is the beginning of the "let the machines do the work" taking over. Ex: Automated DMV (what are they really even doing besides telling you if you have the right stuff, which a machine could easily figure out, and ONE or two people could be staffed to watch the machines and help people out. Kinda like an arcade.)

Why do you expect EVERY point to be the first post.

For completeness.

I already explained that everything you asked me to go into further detail about DID NOT belong in the original posts.
I am not trying to force a society to buy robots, but you asked the question "how can festivals support robots" an I answered.

That was a question an answer personal to YOU. Not the campaign.

And not only were the question and answer personal to you, you could have figured it all out yourself if you had read with more intent. Maybe read with the amount of intent that you troll with.

[myrkul]

The idea was complete, you just failed to recognize what it was meant to be. (by my guesses on purpose in an attempt to troll)

But it wasn't:

All of this earns money for small business and the government, which in turn allows for the purchase of robots or bitcoin miners. Which is the beginning of the "let the machines do the work" taking over. Ex: Automated DMV (what are they really even doing besides telling you if you have the right stuff, which a machine could easily figure out, and ONE or two people could be staffed to watch the machines and help people out. Kinda like an arcade.)

Why do you expect EVERY point to be the first post.

For completeness.

I already explained that everything you asked me to go into further detail about DID NOT belong in the original posts.
I am not trying to force a society to buy robots.

Who said anything about force?

This is you explaining how you envision your system working in the real world, yes?

Well, envision it. Complete it. Don't just leave us hanging with bitcoin miners in the public library.

Stopping at the first step might well be wise for a campaign platform, but you're not campaigning, here. You're explaining your vision. Explain it! Let us see it in all it's glory. Don't hide it behind the golf course and the Myrtle trees.

[FinShaggy]

Who said anything about force?

YOU did. You said that in my original posts I should have said that the government would buy robots and mining machines. That would be forcing.

Which is not the plan, so it was not included. But as said before, you could EASILY have deduced that the surplus income could have gone to that. But it may go other places, which is again, why I didn't say that the funds would be used to buy robots.

[myrkul]

Who said anything about force?

YOU did. You said that in my original posts I should have said that the government would buy robots and mining machines. That would be forcing.

Which is not the plan, so it was not included. But as said before, you could EASILY have deduced that the surplus income could have gone to that. But it may go other places, which is again, why I didn't say that the funds would be used to buy robots.

Wait, what? I said that you should have put your whole plan into the first post, and left out all the other junk. If this is not part of the plan, then why did you tell me it was?

[myrkul]

And just to clarify, you have no problem telling people that they should let people paint on their walls, that they're planting too many trees, and that they should advertize fun things instead of the country club, but automating the DMV is going a step too far?

Man, your priorities are fucked.

[FinShaggy]

Wait, what? I said that you should have put your whole plan into the first post, and left out all the other junk. If this is not part of the plan, then why did you tell me it was?

I did not tell you it was part of the plan, I told you it was how festivals support "letting the machines do the work".

[FinShaggy]

And just to clarify, you have no problem telling people that they should let people paint on their walls, that they're planting too many trees, and that they should advertize fun things instead of the country club, but automating the DMV is going a step too far?

Man, your priorities are fucked.

People paint on their walls in any big city in America.
They aren't planting too many trees, there is no such thing as too many trees. Too many of ONE KIND of tree all over the place.

Automating the DMV isn't too far, but it is also not necessary for community building.

[ktttn]

Well, I guess this thread is done.

yup