WARNING:network under Massive spam attack.

[Hydrogen]

Bigger blocks = bigger spam.

Neither bitcoin unlimited nor larger blocksize could fix this.

Its not a "scaling issue".

It could be better defined as crypto needing to implement forms of DDoS protection.

[jonald_fyookball]

Bigger blocks = bigger spam.

Neither bitcoin unlimited nor larger blocksize could fix this.

Its not a "scaling issue".

It could be better defined as crypto needing to implement forms of DDoS protection.

This is not entirely true.

When you have blocks that are naturally full of 'real' (non spam) transactions, spam becomes exponentially cheaper.

If you need help understanding this, let me know.

[AgentofCoin]

Bigger blocks = bigger spam.

Neither bitcoin unlimited nor larger blocksize could fix this.

Its not a "scaling issue".

It could be better defined as crypto needing to implement forms of DDoS protection.

This is not entirely true.
When you have blocks that are naturally full of 'real' (non spam) transactions, spam becomes exponentially cheaper.
If you need help understanding this, let me know.

There are two types of spam txs.

The first is a block attack vector designed to bloat the chain with worthless
data. The 1MB Cap prevents that attack type. The fee market is the
mechanism that prevents this while allowing the network to remain
functioning with that 1 MB Cap.

The second is a fee attack vector designed to bloat the mempool and
increase the fee price. These automated scripts are specifically designed
to create different fee levels, in order to increase the priority fee price.
The lower priority txs will either take many hours to days to confirm or
be dropped after "72 hours". The purpose is to cause pressure for altcoins
that allow for new P&D schemes.

These two attack types can and will exist no matter what the Bitcoin
blocksize is, which is what Hydrogen was alluding to.

[digaran]

140,000 unconfirmed transactions and counting, unless we could identify the nodes broadcasting those spams and ban/ignore them nothing will change. more than 13BTC as fees, miners can't include them even if they wanted to.

If we could reject those blocks which intentionally include obvious spam transactions it'd be great.

[iamTom123]

Spam attacks have always been around... even if we HF to 2M, 4M or 8M, OR Segwit gets activated, these attacks will still come. Nothing to worry about.

Indeed, we are always eating attacks ever since the internet was born. And it would be the same as we go along...well can even intensify in the near future as people and technology are getting to be sophisticated and more intelligent. It is easy to blame anyone or to make anyone a suspect but only a god-like mind can tell who can be behind those things and who can be telling the truth. Nothing to worry about.

[Quantus]

Largest spam attack in history is underway and no one is talking about it?

[BitHodler]

Largest spam attack in history is underway and no one is talking about it?

It's a common occurrence nowadays. People that are used to deal with filled mempools handle it by including a larger fee to avoid getting sucked into something that plays outside their reach.

After this spam attack an even larger one will show up, it's just another day at the beach. Roger Ver will step up his game higher and higher till he can accept that all his efforts go to waste (i.e. he lost the game).

[countryfree]

This is getting scary. There's been over 100K unconfirmed transactions for more than 24 hours. When is this going to end? It's also very impressive. I can't believe there's a single attacker behind all this. This got to be a concerted effort with, many, many computers.

I guess BTC needs to protect itself, maybe with a fixed minimal fee, so that spam attack would get more costly.

[JeffBrad12]

Bigger blocks = bigger spam.

Neither bitcoin unlimited nor larger blocksize could fix this.

Its not a "scaling issue".

It could be better defined as crypto needing to implement forms of DDoS protection.

Too many new spammers in these days. Did you not think the new adoption will not be affecting anything?

If this pure caused by the spam attack, Some spammers are trying to give a signal about the bitcoin technical problem.

It must be resolved.

New adoption and Spam attack can be a good combination to attacking the network which has limited blocksize.

 

[lizardbtc]

Why do you guys think that this is all a spam attack??

Yes we have to many of unconfirmed txt its been around 150k https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions . But with higher btc price maybe people just want to be involved in it. I don't believe that this is an spam attack as for it you will need to move coins constantly as it will cost them in fees when it all adds up... From my point of view this is a result when you go for mainstream adoption, btc simply can't work for every people on the planet. With everyone being an _ _ _ _ _ we won't see any improvements in the block size this year which will just fill the network. It is not perfect, it was intended to be a test, we may say that it is somewhat going good for now. But we see the flaws and if you ask me btc won't be the major intenet (digital) currency if we don't see some real development. It's not perfect, we know that. If they don't change block sizes or something else that will make the network being faster and with btc price raising we may only see higher and higher fees, I wouldn't be suprised if the fees went for like 5-10$ in future for a single transaction. We have mssleading here as it is a "digital gold" or an asset rather than "digital currency" , most of the people forgot that it is a currency. I just hope that issue will be solved within next 2 years, if not btc might crush.

Yes we don't like the situation as it is now if this continue it will result bad for btc. As I need to send my transaction for like 1$ or even more to be included in the next block or within 1hour...

[talkbitcoin]

Why do you guys think that this is all a spam attack??

1. because of the way these transactions are injected into the network.
it has a nearly fixed rate, which in normal circumstances it can not be the same.

2. because in normal circumstances we have 1000 to 3000 transactions in the mempool and with all the growth and price rise, etc it has gone up but not to 160,000

3. because of the transactions that can be found and look useless. for example sending from and address to same address or sending from 1 address to another but instead of sending 100BTC at once you send 0.01BTC every 5 seconds in a new transaction until 100BTC is spent, then from the second address you send to third address the same way.

[deisik]

Why do you guys think that this is all a spam attack??

1. because of the way these transactions are injected into the network.
it has a nearly fixed rate, which in normal circumstances it can not be the same.

2. because in normal circumstances we have 1000 to 3000 transactions in the mempool and with all the growth and price rise, etc it has gone up but not to 160,000

3. because of the transactions that can be found and look useless. for example sending from and address to same address or sending from 1 address to another but instead of sending 100BTC at once you send 0.01BTC every 5 seconds in a new transaction until 100BTC is spent, then from the second address you send to third address the same way.

Who are the main beneficiaries here?

It is obvious that miners are vitally interested in "raising the bar" (i.e. extorting higher fees), but who can also profit from that apart from them? It should be obvious that this spam attack won't change a thing in the Core versus Unlimited confrontation. There should be at least some logic as well as goal behind this wall or wave of spammy transactions. I don't think that someone would be spending plenty of money to bring Bitcoin network down just for the fun of it

[Xester]

Bigger blocks = bigger spam.

Neither bitcoin unlimited nor larger blocksize could fix this.

Its not a "scaling issue".

It could be better defined as crypto needing to implement forms of DDoS protection.

This is no longer an issue of blocksize but rather it is more crucial than that issue. Spam attacks are largely made to destroy bitcoin and it is not only the thing that are happening today several computers are being attacked by cyber attacks. Hope bitcoin will not be greatly affected by this issues and will still continue to rise up and grow stronger.

[Slark]

This is no longer an issue of blocksize but rather it is more crucial than that issue. Spam attacks are largely made to destroy bitcoin and it is not only the thing that are happening today several computers are being attacked by cyber attacks. Hope bitcoin will not be greatly affected by this issues and will still continue to rise up and grow stronger.

1. Spam attack won't destroy bitcoin per se, they will however create illusion that bitcoin is not working properly and it is outdated piece of software - altcoins will profit.
2. Other that spamming the network there is not much else that can be done to harm bitcoin network ATM.
3. Bitcoin doesn't care about malware, ransomware or other types of threat normally dangerous to centralized systems.

[Decoded]

Yet another thread complaining about confirmation times, block sizes and supposed "spam". There's nothing we can do except make a move on. Pick a side, or help come up with a solution.

This is getting scary. There's been over 100K unconfirmed transactions for more than 24 hours. When is this going to end? It's also very impressive. I can't believe there's a single attacker behind all this. This got to be a concerted effort with, many, many computers.

I guess BTC needs to protect itself, maybe with a fixed minimal fee, so that spam attack would get more costly.

How are you sure that this is even an attack? With the massive recent growth, this could mean that we have so many people really wanting to give bitcoin a try. This would be horrible, as the current confirmation times and average fees are so horribly high. Technically we could be driving new users away.

[rekinthis]

Fees today are over $2 to send a transaction. 100k transactions in mempool. Someone is spending a lot of cash to spam the network today.

Gee I wonder why? /s

I don't know much about mobile wallets or hardware wallets but they should alert the user when the network is this congested. With a easy to understand fee calculator/prediction pop up before you send your transaction.

that's a disgrace for bitcoin... We need bigger blocks here and now, nothing will solve this issue as good as bitcoin unlimited can, that's why I am for bigger blocks. At the moment there are 130k transactions thaat are waiting confirmations and most of them will be returned to senders because the mempool will definitely not clear itself out in a few days. Just imagine how much harm is being done to the merchants and stuff like that, and paying 2 dollars for sending over small amounts of money like 50 cents is just ridiculous. BIGGER BLOCKS NOW!

[SingAlong]

Yet another thread complaining about confirmation times, block sizes and supposed "spam". There's nothing we can do except make a move on. Pick a side, or help come up with a solution.

This is getting scary. There's been over 100K unconfirmed transactions for more than 24 hours. When is this going to end? It's also very impressive. I can't believe there's a single attacker behind all this. This got to be a concerted effort with, many, many computers.

I guess BTC needs to protect itself, maybe with a fixed minimal fee, so that spam attack would get more costly.

How are you sure that this is even an attack? With the massive recent growth, this could mean that we have so many people really wanting to give bitcoin a try. This would be horrible, as the current confirmation times and average fees are so horribly high. Technically we could be driving new users away.

I'll just elaborate it a bit. Countries have started recognizing and legalizing Bitcoin and they are major countries not just small ones especially Japan and Australia. Since no one can provide a concrete proof or evidence that this is an attack then it would be more probable to think this way. I hope that somebody has been thinking of solution right noe regarding this issue and be fixed asap.

[lighpulsar07]

Fees today are over $2 to send a transaction. 100k transactions in mempool. Someone is spending a lot of cash to spam the network today.

Gee I wonder why? /s

I don't know much about mobile wallets or hardware wallets but they should alert the user when the network is this congested. With a easy to understand fee calculator/prediction pop up before you send your transaction.

that's a disgrace for bitcoin... We need bigger blocks here and now, nothing will solve this issue as good as bitcoin unlimited can, that's why I am for bigger blocks. At the moment there are 130k transactions thaat are waiting confirmations and most of them will be returned to senders because the mempool will definitely not clear itself out in a few days. Just imagine how much harm is being done to the merchants and stuff like that, and paying 2 dollars for sending over small amounts of money like 50 cents is just ridiculous. BIGGER BLOCKS NOW!

No. It's actually a spam attack I can't show what address spams the mempool just search it on this forum instead we don't need bigger block to solve this problem we need to prevent the whole blockchain against these spam attacks, it just a propoganda to support bitcoin unlimited. Let just hope that the spam attack will be over.

[deisik]

Fees today are over $2 to send a transaction. 100k transactions in mempool. Someone is spending a lot of cash to spam the network today.

Gee I wonder why? /s

I don't know much about mobile wallets or hardware wallets but they should alert the user when the network is this congested. With a easy to understand fee calculator/prediction pop up before you send your transaction.

that's a disgrace for bitcoin... We need bigger blocks here and now, nothing will solve this issue as good as bitcoin unlimited can, that's why I am for bigger blocks. At the moment there are 130k transactions thaat are waiting confirmations and most of them will be returned to senders because the mempool will definitely not clear itself out in a few days. Just imagine how much harm is being done to the merchants and stuff like that, and paying 2 dollars for sending over small amounts of money like 50 cents is just ridiculous. BIGGER BLOCKS NOW!

Bigger blocks might not and will likely not help

As well as shilling in their favor, just for the record. What's the sense of bigger blocks if the miners are not filling up even 1M blocks (today's size). Going for bigger blocks is just miners' pretext to keep things as they are today, i.e. in a state of permanent confrontation, a situation in which they can "legally" extort higher fees. If blocks are made 4-8 Mb in size what will it change if miners can still choose what size to use? Even if it were a solution (which it is not), it wouldn't work out anyway

[richardfisk]

lol. SegWit is needed and people till try to deny its benefit. I have just sent 200k satoshi with 80k satoshi and up to new, there has been no confirmation. Hope that my payment does not expire