That Great Big Beautiful Wall

[GreenBits]

Hey peeps, was thinking about the current state of the wall. I'm thinking this wall has less and less chance of hapoening. Let me explain. First off, if you read the forum you know I'm no fan of Trump or this wall.

I assumed the wall would get built because Trump is such a friend of corporate interest. Nothing new in Washington, but interesting to see  it out in the open (if I can sum up my deal with the current administration, it would boil down to 'lack of subtlety'). The wall, like a war, would be a smorgasbord of corporate contract moneygrab. The labor, the material required are massive, and it will take years to complete. So, of course the wall was getting built, it fit right in with my idea of the Trump camp.

Now, the wall rhetoric continued even after 'lock her up' and 'drain the swamp' went silent. Mexico was going to pay, then we were going to Bill them/force them to pay. Bullshit from jump, you can't force a foreign, sovereign nation to build a giant infrastructure on your turf. If so, make China build us theme parks. In every state.

I digress.

In the meanwhile, our suddenly aggressive stance did the very thing that the wall was intended to do: reduce immigration, by a significant percent, roughly 40. So damned well, in fact, the wall became largely unnecessary. But it was still a talking point in Trump world. The onus for the wall shifted from Mexico to the Democrats, now, they were responsible for holding up our vital national security. He threatened to shut down the government, he threatened to defund Ocare. Ultimately,  gov didn't shut down, but yet we still had no wall.


Fast forward to now. A Breitbart reporter and Spicer get into an argument over the wall. Guy asked Spicer about the wall, Spicer pulls out slides of fences. Brief argument ensues. Guy leaves, writes a critical article on Breitbart (which is another thread).

So, do you think the wall is actually going to happen? It's certain not going to be the 'big beautiful wall' Trump promised his voters. Maybe some storm link and a turn style.

I'm all ears.

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[Spendulus]

Hey peeps, was thinking about the current state of the wall. I'm thinking this wall has less and less chance of hapoening. Let me explain. First off, if you read the forum you know I'm no fan of Trump or this wall.

I assumed the wall would get built because Trump is such a friend of corporate interest. Nothing new in Washington, but interesting to see  it out in the open (if I can sum up my deal with the current administration, it would boil down to 'lack of subtlety'). The wall, like a war, would be a smorgasbord of corporate contract moneygrab. The labor, the material required are massive, and it will take years to complete. So, of course the wall was getting built, it fit right in with my idea of the Trump camp.

Now, the wall rhetoric continued even after 'lock her up' and 'drain the swamp' went silent. Mexico was going to pay, then we were going to Bill them/force them to pay. Bullshit from jump, you can't force a foreign, sovereign nation to build a giant infrastructure on your turf. If so, make China build us theme parks. In every state.

I digress.

In the meanwhile, our suddenly aggressive stance did the very thing that the wall was intended to do: reduce immigration, by a significant percent, roughly 40. So damned well, in fact, the wall became largely unnecessary. But it was still a talking point in Trump world. The onus for the wall shifted from Mexico to the Democrats, now, they were responsible for holding up our vital national security. He threatened to shut down the government, he threatened to defund Ocare. Ultimately,  gov didn't shut down, but yet we still had no wall.


Fast forward to now. A Breitbart reporter and Spicer get into an argument over the wall. Guy asked Spicer about the wall, Spicer pulls out slides of fences. Brief argument ensues. Guy leaves, writes a critical article on Breitbart (which is another thread).

So, do you think the wall is actually going to happen? It's certain not going to be the 'big beautiful wall' Trump promised his voters. Maybe some storm link and a turn style.

I'm all ears.

Looked like a pretty nice wall to me, I saw that.

So if you watched it you know that Spicer answered all your speculations, too.

[Sithara007]

The wall will be eventually built, and there is no doubt about it. That said, less and less Mexicans are immigrating illegally to the US, ever since Trump was elected as the president. The authorities are less tolerant towards the illegals now.

[freedomno1]

So, do you think the wall is actually going to happen? It's certain not going to be the 'big beautiful wall' Trump promised his voters. Maybe some storm link and a turn style.

I'm all ears.

A small extension of the wall but Trump will advertised it as a huge increase in the defense. Maybe even add some motion sensor cameras drone patrols or electric fence as additional features. That said the budget he signed had no funding specifically set out for the wall so either he gets it from the military budget somehow tries to executive order that or some other means I have not considered like crowdfund it then take a commission.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-budget-no-mexico-wall-spending-money-government-funding-a7720826.html
The US really likes to leave their signing of bills till the Gov is about to shut down.

[Kobalt]

The wall will be eventually built, and there is no doubt about it. That said, less and less Mexicans are immigrating illegally to the US, ever since Trump was elected as the president. The authorities are less tolerant towards the illegals now.

In what century do you live? Who'll stop the wall? Smugglers dug a kilometre long tunnel. And hang gliders? No wall is fake which only works on stupid Americans. An intelligent person would believe in such nonsense.

[Spendulus]

So, do you think the wall is actually going to happen? It's certain not going to be the 'big beautiful wall' Trump promised his voters. Maybe some storm link and a turn style.

I'm all ears.

A small extension of the wall but Trump will advertised it as a huge increase in the defense. Maybe even add some motion sensor cameras drone patrols or electric fence as additional features. That said the budget he signed had no funding specifically set out for the wall so either he gets it from the military budget somehow tries to executive order that or some other means I have not considered like crowdfund it then take a commission.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-budget-no-mexico-wall-spending-money-government-funding-a7720826.html
The US really likes to leave their signing of bills till the Gov is about to shut down.

Spicer said in the press conference there was currently 1.5B for the wall.

[GreenBits]

So, do you think the wall is actually going to happen? It's certain not going to be the 'big beautiful wall' Trump promised his voters. Maybe some storm link and a turn style.

I'm all ears.

A small extension of the wall but Trump will advertised it as a huge increase in the defense. Maybe even add some motion sensor cameras drone patrols or electric fence as additional features. That said the budget he signed had no funding specifically set out for the wall so either he gets it from the military budget somehow tries to executive order that or some other means I have not considered like crowdfund it then take a commission.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-budget-no-mexico-wall-spending-money-government-funding-a7720826.html
The US really likes to leave their signing of bills till the Gov is about to shut down.

Spicer said in the press conference there was currently 1.5B for the wall.

He may have mispoke. That 1.5b is appropriated to repair and improve the existing fence. Specifically, new fence cannot be constructed; only replaced or renovated. Make no mistake. The Demoncraps ( ) and the Rethuglicans came together on this one, and made a point to deny funding for the wall.

But the text of the spending measure states (on page 739) the $341 million would be used “to replace approximately 40 miles of existing primary pedestrian and vehicle border fencing along the southwest border using previously deployed steel bollard designs, that prioritize [border] agent safety; and to add gates to existing barriers.”

There is absolutely no provision for the wall in the budget.

And the true definition of a "wall of bollards" is a bunch of bollards forming a barrier. With a bollard being a reinforced, free standing post. I wouldn't even insult fences like that. An actual 'bollard wall' would be akin to a tall traffic obstacle.

Long Fence, a commercial and residential fence company, sells bollards and defines them this way: “Bollards are upright steel posts mounted in or alongside roads and parking lots to control, direct or obstruct vehicular traffic or impact.”

The structures are crafted primarily “for maximum vehicle control, and can be used to effectively increase pedestrian safety and building security as well as onsite amenties (sic) from vehicular damage,” according to Long Fence.

Trump has said that, along some parts of the country’s southern border, fencing might be more appropriate than a giant concrete-and-steel wall. But, even this week, the president and his top aides have been promising the administration will build it.

Where is the concrete and rebar we were promised?

[HabBear]

To the OP, you're talking like a wall doesn't already exist. A wall along the Mexico border already exists for hundreds of miles. Trumps proposal tries to complete the wall that Bush jr. started. And controversy from the public comes from how Trump communicated his proposal and "the why" he used to claim that Mexicans are providing negative impact on society.

I think this is a colossal waste of money. I'm not for illegal immigration but it's clear that illegal immigrants aren't stealing the jobs that voters are concerned about. They're filling the jobs that people don't want to do. I wonder how many former factory workers that voted for Trump will be willing to wash dishes and clean hotel rooms if/when illegal immigrants are forced out?

The wall won't prevent terrorism either.

[Mometaskers]

Let them build it. It was Trumps campaign promise after all. Just make it clear to them there's no way they'll get Mexico to spend a single centimo on it. Maybe then the gravity of their stupidity would finally sink in. Besides, it's not like the wall would stop smugglers - they'd just build tunnels or use drones. And people can still get in through airports and then just "overstay".

Also, Trump once mention the Great Wall in China. Funny, that never really stopped invaders from coming in.

To the OP, you're talking like a wall doesn't already exist. A wall along the Mexico border already exists for hundreds of miles. Trumps proposal tries to complete the wall that Bush jr. started. And controversy from the public comes from how Trump communicated his proposal and "the why" he used to claim that Mexicans are providing negative impact on society.

I think this is a colossal waste of money. I'm not for illegal immigration but it's clear that illegal immigrants aren't stealing the jobs that voters are concerned about. They're filling the jobs that people don't want to do. I wonder how many former factory workers that voted for Trump will be willing to wash dishes and clean hotel rooms if/when illegal immigrants are forced out?

The wall won't prevent terrorism either.

Exactly. How many Americans want to give "perineal care"? How many of them would want to work picking apples? None? Who would do those? No one but immigrants. Oh, those fcukin countries like India and Philippines are stealing jobs through outsourcing? Well, how many Americans would like to sit on their ass for 7 hours a day, talking to obnoxious customers? I doubt American agents would be able to handle an irate American for 5 minutes without saying "fcuk, I'm out of here!".

[merchantofzeny]

Let Americans waste their money. Yes, THEIR money. I can't believe they actually thought some other country is going to pay far that stupid wall. 

[Neon1822]

Let Americans waste their money. Yes, THEIR money. I can't believe they actually thought some other country is going to pay far that stupid wall. 

Let Trump spends his money on that wall. Such a crazy idea could arise only in his sick head.

[killyou73]

Let Americans waste their money. Yes, THEIR money. I can't believe they actually thought some other country is going to pay far that stupid wall. 

Let Trump spends his money on that wall. Such a crazy idea could arise only in his sick head.

What if Trump hires and fires thousands of contractors to build the wall and does not pay them for their work!!

Or he funds the wall by himself and goes broke

[Immobilising]

Let Americans waste their money. Yes, THEIR money. I can't believe they actually thought some other country is going to pay far that stupid wall. 

Let Trump spends his money on that wall. Such a crazy idea could arise only in his sick head.

Funny part is that Trump says 'they're gonna pay for it eventually', which we all know is not gonna happen. In the end the US citizens will pay for the wall, if it will ever come that is. A lot of republicans aren't very keen on the idea as well

[wolfracer]

I think that wall is just a warning for the ilegal inmigrant inside US, its just a expression to caused fear and sop the huge amount of ilegal mexicans into the border.

[Spendulus]

To the OP, you're talking like a wall doesn't already exist. A wall along the Mexico border already exists for hundreds of miles. Trumps proposal tries to complete the wall that Bush jr. started. And controversy from the public comes from how Trump communicated his proposal and "the why" he used to claim that Mexicans are providing negative impact on society.

I think this is a colossal waste of money. I'm not for illegal immigration but it's clear that illegal immigrants aren't stealing the jobs that voters are concerned about. They're filling the jobs that people don't want to do. I wonder how many former factory workers that voted for Trump will be willing to wash dishes and clean hotel rooms if/when illegal immigrants are forced out?

The wall won't prevent terrorism either.

You mean that bricklayers, concrete crews, stone masons, sheetrock crews, painters, lawn maintenance....Americans don't want that work?  They wanted it until illegal Mexicans that did not pay taxes pulled these entire trades and a hundred others out of reach of the honest American.

Please stop with the broad generalizations. They don't further understanding of an issue.

[BADecker]

Actually, the wall is the first of many to be used to keep Americans in so they don't pollute the world with their freedom ideas.

[GreenBits]

To the OP, you're talking like a wall doesn't already exist. A wall along the Mexico border already exists for hundreds of miles. Trumps proposal tries to complete the wall that Bush jr. started. And controversy from the public comes from how Trump communicated his proposal and "the why" he used to claim that Mexicans are providing negative impact on society.


The wall won't prevent terrorism either.

Oh, I'm definitely aware of the 'fence' we currently have, courtesy of Bush. That's what the 1.5b appropriated by Congress would go to, repairing and expanding the 'wall' already in place. It was a shit idea back then, at the worst time, economically.

And the effects of our new immigration policy arr already evident. Produce has gone up (mangoes are oddly cheap though), and I'm not seeing the crews I'm used to when I drive past the colossal farms in my neighborhood.

And yes, a wall will never stop a terrorist; the whole point of terrorism is to penetrate and disturb. And, a criminal would be pretty fucking dumb to just stroll up to the border.

[Spendulus]

To the OP, you're talking like a wall doesn't already exist. A wall along the Mexico border already exists for hundreds of miles. Trumps proposal tries to complete the wall that Bush jr. started. And controversy from the public comes from how Trump communicated his proposal and "the why" he used to claim that Mexicans are providing negative impact on society.


The wall won't prevent terrorism either.

Oh, I'm definitely aware of the 'fence' we currently have, courtesy of Bush. That's what the 1.5b appropriated by Congress would go to, repairing and expanding the 'wall' already in place. It was a shit idea back then, at the worst time, economically.

And the effects of our new immigration policy arr already evident. Produce has gone up (mangoes are oddly cheap though), and I'm not seeing the crews I'm used to when I drive past the colossal farms in my neighborhood.

And yes, a wall will never stop a terrorist; the whole point of terrorism is to penetrate and disturb. And, a criminal would be pretty fucking dumb to just stroll up to the border.

Anything else you'd like to say?

There must be a lot of other similar things that are ridiculous and frustrating and that you'd like to put out for everyone to hear.

Why not just rant?

1.5B for the wall, more money is coming, some like it, some don't.

Given the war zone along the US / Mexican border, might I suggest reconsidering the cynicism?

There's nothing nice about it but the likes of your attitude is defeat before the battle begins. That's the problem with ideological thinking, it does not take into account real live humans and their suffering and problems.

[Arcteryx]

I think that wall is just a warning for the ilegal inmigrant inside US, its just a expression to caused fear and sop the huge amount of ilegal mexicans into the border.

This is what I was thinking as too when I first heard of this wall being built.
It is just an imaginary wall that is just in the american physe an nothing more.

[merchantofzeny]

Let Americans waste their money. Yes, THEIR money. I can't believe they actually thought some other country is going to pay far that stupid wall. 

Let Trump spends his money on that wall. Such a crazy idea could arise only in his sick head.

What if Trump hires and fires thousands of contractors to build the wall and does not pay them for their work!!

Or he funds the wall by himself and goes broke

I don't think he'll ever fund it with his own money. More likely he'll just get people to build it - and then not pay them. He's done that before and wouldn't have paid the contractors had it not been revealed during the campaign. Abominable.

Last I heard in the news, it was a Mexican company who said they'll build the wall. Maybe that's how Trump will get Mexicans to pay for it? "Oh no, I'm not paying you, that wall is to keep you out of beautiful Murica."