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May 09, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
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2. if you read all the REKT campaigns and comments gmaxwell writes you will see where the real threats are made
Outright lie.
4. all the 'rekt xt 2014' rekt classic 2015 rekt BU 2016-17 are all dramatic distractions purely to try getting people to cower down and sumbit themselves over to relying on blockstream.
Blockstream has nothing to do with those threads.

G.max - blockstream had nothing to do with the REKT campaign.. you really wanna push it?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg13070891#msg13070891

here is gmaxwell both mentioning the testnet bug like its a problem where testnet should not bug out and should flow like a real coin...(facepalm). oh and also being in the REKT campaign topic.

.. oh and the bip9 threat to maybe at 90% kill off 5% to get to 95% and then kill off the other 5% to get to prettmy much above 99%
yep read bip 9, yep it can be changed. even gmaxwell admits this.
BIP9 changed to a new quorum sensing approach that is MUCH less vulnerable to false triggering, so 95% under it is more like 99.9% (C) under the old approach.  basically when it activates, the 95% will have to be willing to potentially orphan the blocks of the 5% that remain(B)
If there is some reason when the users of Bitcoin would rather have it activate at 90%  ... then even with the 95% rule the network could choose to activate it at 90% just by orphaning the blocks of the non-supporters until 95%+ of the remaining blocks signaled activation.(A)

^ this is where the UASF comes in (A leads to B leads to C)

speaking of UASF
i wonder who is heading up that campaign...
oh yea Samson mow, newest blockstream employee

lauda seriously you are making it too obvious that you are defending blockstream and not a diverse decentralised peer network..

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May 09, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
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Blah, blah, blah

Brain damage

Blah, blah, blah

Anyone who supports Bitcoin Unlimited at this point is a shill or an outright idiot. Pick the one which better describes yourself.

There comes your problem: you consider people idiots. Idiots that are going to be convinced that BU is a bad idea and embrace SegWit just because BU nodes are attacked. This community is stronger and smarter than you think. Is the number of BU nodes droping after the attacks? No, a few days after a patch is released the number is recovered. Is the number of Segwit signaling nodes increasing after each attack? Neither, it has been stagnant for months. What is the majority of people doing? Sticking with v12, because they know BU is constantly attacked, because they don't want SegWit, because they consider the poisonous pill of v14.1 a bad joke. People is smart. Segwit is not going to happen even if UASF is released by Core. They will have to hard fork Bitcoin in minority of nodes and miners if they want to see SegWit activated.

Yes and when I have a bug that I introduced I call it what it is - my own bug. If I introduce an exploitable flaw in my code it is still my fault.

When an innocent is shot by a gun in real life we blame the shooter, not the innocent because he was not wearing a kevlar jacket. Unless you have "alternative ethics", of course

Besides, I think you are wrong when you consider that a good code is the one that does not glitch when attaked. First, it can simply mean that the other implementation have the economic power to hire developers to actively find new exploits.

Secondly, a good code is not the bug-free one. A good code is the one that is useful for people. If some people adopt BU is because they think is more useful for the network, and if the majority rejects to update from v12 to v14 is because they think Segwit is the biggest threat Bitcoin is facing at the moment
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May 09, 2017, 10:26:41 PM
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BU crashes more than Windows 95 and Windows ME put together.

They should go into the vacuum cleaner manufacturing business, that could be the only way they build things that don't suck.


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May 09, 2017, 10:50:44 PM
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G.max - blockstream had nothing to do with the REKT campaign.. you really wanna push it?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg13070891#msg13070891
Posting in a discussion thread != having something to do with a campaign. I'm assuming you're doing some heavy drugs.

i wonder who is heading up that campaign...
oh yea Samson mow, newest blockstream employee
He is not leading UASF.

lauda seriously you are making it too obvious that you are defending blockstream and not a diverse decentralised peer network..
Classic shill talk. How about you first learn Bitcoin?

There comes your problem: you consider people idiots.
Small correction: I don't consider people idiots. I know that they are idiots.

Is the number of BU nodes droping after the attacks? No, a few days after a patch is released the number is recovered.
Meaning that a huge % of BU node count is heavily centralized.

Is the number of Segwit signaling nodes increasing after each attack? Neither, it has been stagnant for months.
False.

What is the majority of people doing? Sticking with v12, because they know BU is constantly attacked, because they don't want SegWit, because they consider the poisonous pill of v14.1 a bad joke.
This could not be further from the reality. Wake up. Statements like these make you look like a complete baboon.










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May 09, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
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Blah blah blah

Complete baboon

Blah blah blah

v13 was released 9 moths ago, 9!! According to your data, less than 67% of the "nodes" have upgraded to the new version. What a success, considering how good and how necessary it is to implement SegWit! Oh, wait, but lets speak about what a "node" is. Because everybody knows each "node" represents a single honest person running a wallet in his computer connected 24/7 right? Node count can't be manipulated... No one would be so evil to run thousands of virtual machines in multiple instances of Amazon S3, right? LOL

That's the reason why protocols adopt proof-of-wathever to demonstrate consensus, like proof-of-work. And in terms of PoW... let's say that the situation is getting dramatic for SegWit adoption, using mild words.

But you are distracting the focus of what really matters: these attacks on the BU nodes and your FUD messages that follow are being useless as BU adoption is not decreasing in the long term and public opinion is not changing.

If I was at Blockstream I would have fired the strategists due to incompetence: 5 times BU is attacked and 5 times devs fix issues and nodes get back online in less than 24 hours. Without impact in public opinion or node count. I would fire you too of your shill position for similar reasons...


There comes your problem: you consider people idiots.
Small correction: I don't consider people idiots. I know that they are idiots

Nothing to add here. That defines you completely  Cheesy
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v13 was released 9 moths ago, 9!! According to your data, less than 67% of the "nodes" have upgraded to the new version. What a success, considering how good and how necessary it is to implement SegWit!
This is how updating works, in a decentralized system. BU is therefore not decentralized, but rather the nodes are highly centralized in the hands of Ver & similar. I have destroyed your false claim with 2 screenshots.

Oh, wait, but lets speak about what a "node" is. Because everybody knows each "node" represents a single honest person running a wallet in his computer connected 24/7 right?
You don't need to run anything 24/7.

Node count can't be manipulated... No one would be so evil to run thousands of virtual machines in multiple instances of Amazon S3, right? LOL
Such an attack is trivial to detect. Most of these nodes have been online for months/years.

And in terms of PoW... let's say that the situation is getting dramatic for SegWit adoption, using mild words.
Nobody really cares. UASF is coming.

But you are distracting the focus of what really matters: these attacks on the BU nodes and your FUD messages that follow are being useless as BU adoption is not decreasing in the long term and public opinion is not changing.
This does not change the fact that BU code is trash. High-school programmers could create software of better quality.

If I was at Blockstream I would have fired the strategists due to incompetence: 5 times BU is attacked and 5 times devs fix issues and nodes get back online in less than 24 hours. Without impact in public opinion or node count.
Unless you have proof that Blockstream has led these attacks, you are truly a shill or just demented.

I would fire you too of your shill position for similar reasons...
I predate any of you (including Blockstream and a fair deal of Core developers), and the whole KKK BU Clan (with the lucky exception of Ver). Those who preach the truth by providing data are definitely shills. Roll Eyes


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May 09, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
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i wonder who is heading up that campaign...
oh yea Samson mow, newest blockstream employee
He is not leading UASF.



whats on his head. is that a badger?? nope its a UASF cap

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i wonder who is heading up that campaign...
oh yea Samson mow, newest blockstream employee
He is not leading UASF.
-snip-
whats on his head. is that a badger?? nope its a UASF cap
So if I support an idea, and I wear a cap that has the abbreviation for said idea, then I'm the official leader of this idea? Example: Whoever wears a cap with a Nazi symbol == leader of Nazism? Roll Eyes Do you even realize what you're saying Huh


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i wonder who is heading up that campaign...
oh yea Samson mow, newest blockstream employee
He is not leading UASF.
-snip-
whats on his head. is that a badger?? nope its a UASF cap
So if I support an idea, and I wear a cap that has the abbreviation for said idea, then I'm the official leader of this idea? Example: Whoever wears a cap with a Nazi symbol == leader of Nazism? Roll Eyes Do you even realize what you're saying Huh

https://twitter.com/excellion/status/850359974618316804?lang=en-gb
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Samson Mow ‏Verified account:
Back in Shanghai and making sure BTCC has their UASF gear ready.

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There is now a bounty started by Samson at 5+ BTC for a solid UASF proposal.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/samson-mow-delivers-6btc-to-segwit-code-winner-shaolinfry
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Ex-BTCC COO Samson Mow has announced the winner of his Segregated Witness (SegWit) code bounty.

The prize fund, announced last month, is intended for the individual or group able to produce what Mow called “safe” code for implementing SegWit via a user-activated soft fork (UASF).

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https://twitter.com/excellion/status/850359974618316804?lang=en-gb
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Samson Mow ‏Verified account:
Back in Shanghai and making sure BTCC has their UASF gear ready.

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There is now a bounty started by Samson at 5+ BTC for a solid UASF proposal.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/samson-mow-delivers-6btc-to-segwit-code-winner-shaolinfry
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Ex-BTCC COO Samson Mow has announced the winner of his Segregated Witness (SegWit) code bounty.

The prize fund, announced last month, is intended for the individual or group able to produce what Mow called “safe” code for implementing SegWit via a user-activated soft fork (UASF).
None of that makes him "official" anything, otherwise we'd have a "official president of Bitcoin" pretty quickly. Although, this title does sound familiar. I wonder where I've heard it? Roll Eyes


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None of that makes him "official" anything, otherwise we'd have a "official president of Bitcoin" pretty quickly. Although, this title does sound familiar. I wonder where I've heard it? Roll Eyes

probably from your groupy reddit scripters wondering how to hide adam backs CEO puppetry and barry silberts VC extra strings.. by then pretending other implementations have strings..

TL:DR;
dont look at the blockstream puppet strings, look over there we can see everyone else is tied up. but please dont look at blockstreams puppet strings

ever ask yourself.. why within the same month of samson promoting UASF. organising a bounty, declaring a winner and delivering the bounty to the winner, samson also got a new job with blockstream..

let me guess your answer, because his job is just to be a janitor, sweeping the floor.
much like luke Jr pretending not to be a developer at the hong kong agreement but just an individual with as much power as a janitor

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lauda stop defending blockstream employee's.

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May 10, 2017, 12:11:47 AM
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And in terms of PoW... let's say that the situation is getting dramatic for SegWit adoption, using mild words.
Nobody really cares. UASF is coming.

And here comes the mother of all the wonders: the same people that was vividly attacking BU supporters because "they want to fork and split the network" (and because they are Chinese, and you know, Chinese are bad people) now are cheering the UASF fork and counting the hours until it is deployed.

But you know it doesn't matter if you fork the Bitcoin and create your own BSW crypto (Bitcoin-SegWit) if next the real users don't support it and keep making their transactions in BTC, right?  Smiley
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And in terms of PoW... let's say that the situation is getting dramatic for SegWit adoption, using mild words.
Nobody really cares. UASF is coming.

And here comes the mother of all the wonders: the same people that was vividly attacking BU supporters because "they want to fork and split the network" (and because they are Chinese, and you know, Chinese are bad people) now are cheering the UASF fork and counting the hours until it is deployed.

But you know it doesn't matter if you fork the Bitcoin and create your own BSW crypto (Bitcoin-SegWit) if next the real users don't support it and keep making their transactions in BTC, right?  Smiley

Which real users BU got?  Jihan and roger supported by redddit btc people  Undecided  Polls all over the place shows uss that atleast 85% wants Segwitt, i see the market as the real Satoshi's consensus. The market doesn't want BU because it is not trusted to handle a multi-billion industry.

Miners make money from the users, the users are the market and the market wants Segwitt. BU miners will go bankrupt after a hardfork.

I also believe Core can deliver uss a ''save soft-landing'' hardfork.

It's the giant vs a little mouse. The only thing that little mouse (BU) got is hashpower, that is it.

I highly reccomend you to pick Segwitt and leave BU for what it is.
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It strikes again the BUGcoin, if someone still supports Bitcoin Unlimited after 5 consecutive crashes in just a year,  i guess their all madmen
Good thing that this scaling solution has never been activated and an hardfork never occur.
Cause if this was implemented that will be the end of bitcoin.






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May 10, 2017, 03:13:46 AM
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probably from your groupy reddit scripters wondering how to hide adam backs CEO puppetry and barry silberts VC extra strings.. by then pretending other implementations have strings..
I have nothing to do with Reddit and neither does Reddit have anything to do with my post.

lauda stop defending blockstream employee's.
As soon as you stop defending Bugs Unlimited.

And here comes the mother of all the wonders: the same people that was vividly attacking BU supporters because "they want to fork and split the network" (and because they are Chinese, and you know, Chinese are bad people) now are cheering the UASF fork and counting the hours until it is deployed.
There is nothing wrong with UASF. Read: user-activated-soft-fork.

But you know it doesn't matter if you fork the Bitcoin and create your own BSW crypto (Bitcoin-SegWit) if next the real users don't support it and keep making their transactions in BTC, right?  Smiley
Nope. Bitcoin Core remains the BTC after UASF even in the case of a split. Whatever BU does will make BU listed as BTU altcoin.


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May 10, 2017, 03:31:35 AM
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Who attacks Unlimited?

I fully support the ideals and goals of BU. The elimination of the centrally-planned production quota would be the elimination of the most significant bug Bitcoin has.

That said, it does not matter who is attacking. Better it be bitcoiners now than the vampire squid after BU becomes the majority client.

These widespread crashes are embarrassing. They do demonstrate a lag in software quality. BU would benefit greatly from an influx of good developers. Making excuses is merely making excuses.

Sometimes, I despair briefly from these events. Then I recall that each bug exploited, identified, and squashed, is one less bug in the system.

A suboptimal implementation of the correct design decisions is infinitely better than the tightest implementation of the wrong design. In time, BU will prevail.

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May 10, 2017, 05:59:24 AM
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So if I support an idea, and I wear a cap that has the abbreviation for said idea, then I'm the official leader of this idea? Example: Whoever wears a cap with a Nazi symbol == leader of Nazism? Roll Eyes Do you even realize what you're saying Huh
Are you claiming that it was just a coincidence ,may be that is the fact,if i am wearing something i must know that i am supporting something,i cannot wear a Tshirt or a cap written that i am gay ,and let others think that i am a straight person.  Cheesy Just an example,since you really like to have fun quotes i just made this up,no offense intended.
As far as another crash is concerned they have to change their name to blackout unlimited (BU).


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May 10, 2017, 06:41:39 AM
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It seems like to me that we should diversify away from BU nodes/ code and add more of a stable nodes/ code/ core.
I don't know why in the name of diversification they put hash power behind their nodes?
Lets have several implementations but just their nodes not hashrate.
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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.

Aren't we all just trying to stir the pot at this point to get all the miners to notice that this is shitty code and shouldn't be the scaling solution which we allow to hit the masses, we should allow it to die at this point and the miners should let SegWit takeover to help with the issues relating to the network as a whole. As it's disgustingly bloated at this point and the scaling is the only way in which we'll be saved.

Gosh, I honestly don't know how much money Ver is dishing out in an attempt to take over the network through hostile means but the thing I don't understand is how the miners are willing to throw any sort of reputations and credentials they have for some money, as I doubt Ver is paying them THAT MUCH to be his shill and a crony.

Hope this will be the end or at least the beginning of the end.

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May 10, 2017, 03:07:57 PM
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For what it's worth, this is the slowest I've seen the number of nodes recovering after a BU crash and it isn't close to its pre-crash level. Perhaps, just maybe, there are people amongst those node users that are finally realising how stupid it is to persist with this woeful hostile fork. There wasn't that much of a drop after each of the previous ones, but 5 major crashes should start being convincing enough... plus there's bound to be more in the future.

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