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May 09, 2017, 06:50:07 AM
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I count 5 major crashes by now, no?

I don't know what this one is yet, but no doubt it's more of their crappy code crashing, and of course they'll blame core somehow...  Roll Eyes

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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.

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You have a point, so let's just say that what matters is significant drops in the nodes.  For BU there are drops of basically half whereas with Core they're fairly insignificant on the charts.

If you only count significant drops in nodes, BU nodes have had three crashes and Core have had zero (in a much longer time).

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May 09, 2017, 07:29:20 AM
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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.
I don't see any major crashes there, as the thread title stipulates...

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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.
I don't see any major crashes there, as the thread title stipulates...

The blips in the core software could be caused by ISP disruption, or newly released software update downtime.

Besides, I don't see anything out of the ordinary here. BU is showing consistent behavour.

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Prepare for the shills to start defending BU again. Roll Eyes Here we go again:



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Yes, due to shills and signature spam.

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ck, did this really have to be a self moderated thread?
Maybe not but I'm sick of seeing the same names with empty entries in threads because I have them on ignore. It'd be nice if someone else got a chance to post instead of this whole section being their personal troll flood wall.

It looks like r/btc is using the term "being attacked again" as their explanation although it's just another out of memory bug to do with their x-thin implementation Roll Eyes

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Is this a joke?

This has to be stopped asap, i'm done with Jihan Wu and Roger Ver with there BUG Unlimited... freaking clowns.

BU is truely one of the most crappy software I've seen so far.

Segwitt now!

Edit; Those delicious BU tears at reddit/btc are priceless.  Harsh reality meets shattered dreams  Cheesy
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Edit; Those delicious BU tears at reddit/btc are priceless.  Harsh reality meets shattered dreams  Cheesy
It's actually horrific watching them try so hard to convince themselves and each other that things are still okay (and worse, that this is still somehow core's fault). It's like Wile E. Coyote running off a cliff - he's there for a ages suspended in mid air, doomed a long time ago, but nothing happens until he finally realises. I remember seeing a great Ted talk which was entitled something like "what does it feel like to be wrong" and the summary was that "it feels exactly the same as it feels like when you're right... until you realise you're wrong".

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May 09, 2017, 01:14:38 PM
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This has to be stopped asap, i'm done with Jihan Wu and Roger Ver with there BUG Unlimited... freaking clowns.

BU is truely one of the most crappy software I've seen so far.

Segwitt now!
It is not possible to be objective and still support BU considering the horrible quality of their software. This leads to the conclusion that anyone who is still supporting BU is some sort of shill or delusional.

Edit; Those delicious BU tears at reddit/btc are priceless.  Harsh reality meets shattered dreams  Cheesy
They whine about "attacks" every time not realizing that Bitcoin Core is probably much more actively attacked each time. The major difference here is that Bitcoin Core is high-quality software, while BU is high-school quality.

I remember seeing a great Ted talk which was entitled something like "what does it feel like to be wrong" and the summary was that "it feels exactly the same as it feels like when you're right... until you realise you're wrong".
This sounds interesting. I'll look up that video.


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Is this a joke?

This has to be stopped asap, i'm done with Jihan Wu and Roger Ver with there BUG Unlimited... freaking clowns.

BU is truely one of the most crappy software I've seen so far.

Segwitt now!

Edit; Those delicious BU tears at reddit/btc are priceless.  Harsh reality meets shattered dreams  Cheesy
Seriously though imagine the consequences if BU became the main chain, the price alone would drop so hard due to major bugs every week. Bitcoin is too valuable to let such joker's have their way.

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Seriously though imagine the consequences if BU became the main chain, the price alone would drop so hard due to major bugs every week. Bitcoin is too valuable to let such joker's have their way.

reality check
bitcoin holders see that a brand crashed but network survived, giving hop/proof that their funds/assets are safe in a diverse network.

reality check
BU, xt, classic, nbitcoin(?maybe not), btcd, bitcoinj, and all the other implementations want a PEER NETWORK of diverse decentralisation on a single chain

reality check
"Seriously though imagine the consequences if blockstream became the only codebase, the price alone would drop so hard if there was a bug in the only codebase. Bitcoin is too valuable to let such joker's have their way."
FTFY
hope this opens your mind to why diversity=good vs blockstream control=bad... rather than the opposite


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Seriously though imagine the consequences if BU became the main chain, the price alone would drop so hard due to major bugs every week. Bitcoin is too valuable to let such joker's have their way.

reality check
bitcoin holders see that a brand crashed but network survived, giving hop/proof that their funds/assets are safe in a diverse network.

reality check
BU, xt, classic, nbitcoin(?maybe not), btcd, bitcoinj, and all the other implementations want a PEER NETWORK of diverse decentralisation on a single chain

reality check
"Seriously though imagine the consequences if blockstream became the only codebase, the price alone would drop so hard if there was a bug in the only codebase. Bitcoin is too valuable to let such joker's have their way."
FTFY
hope this opens your mind to why diversity=good vs blockstream control=bad... rather than the opposite


P.S i have made no insults but i predict my post would get deleted as it does not fit the propaganda of REKTing anything not blockstream endorsed.
The issue here is that we have BU who is actively trying to discredit core and take over as the mainchain and actively has bugs on their live "production ready" software. The what ifs with core are just that but currently BU has a terrible track record and has essentially vile people behind it like Jihan Wu who has talked about attacking competing chains and mines empty blocks during backlogged transactions.

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The issue here is that we have BU who is actively trying to discredit core and take over as the mainchain and actively has bugs on their live "production ready" software. The what ifs with core are just that but currently BU has a terrible track record and has essentially vile people behind it like Jihan Wu who has talked about attacking competing chains and mines empty blocks during backlogged transactions.

1. if you stop reading reddit, you will see that no threats are actually made. the non-blockstream endorsed implementations are just plodding along, no deadlines no PoW nukes, no mandatory threats..

2. if you read all the REKT campaigns and comments gmaxwell writes you will see where the real threats are made
3. you keep thinking its a "take over" rather then keeping the network diverse while upgrading to new limits in a way that avoids blockstream domination
4. all the 'rekt xt 2014' rekt classic 2015 rekt BU 2016-17 are all dramatic distractions purely to try getting people to cower down and sumbit themselves over to relying on blockstream.
5. blockstream/core are not perfect. they even admit they prefer to hid their issues for atleast 30 days AFTER a fix is found

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10364
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announcing bugs with exploit guidelines 30 days after a fix is released would put a ton of our users at massive risk.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ABug

if you think that prtending blockstream(core) is perfect and should be treated as the supreme being of bitcoin control. then you are not thinking about bitcoin the network. your only thinking about FIAT2.0

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May 09, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.

Wow, repeating proven fraudulent claims from the BU folks, good for you.


Those ticks are spider restarts, a data artifact.  There has never been an exploited node crasher for the Bitcoin project (and AFAIR there has only been one potential one, which we fixed before it was exploited-- The BIP37 integer divide by zero bug)

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I count about 11.

Honestly though, I don't care either way. I just want to stir the pot also.

Wow, repeating proven fraudulent claims from the BU folks, good for you.


Those ticks are spider restarts, a data artifact.  There has never been an exploited node crasher for the Bitcoin project (and AFAIR there has only been one potential one, which we fixed before it was exploited-- The BIP37 integer divide by zero bug)

gmaxwell uses a bug found on TESTNET.. as a fake way to suggest that classic doesnt work..

UM. testnet is suppose to break. thats the point of it.. throw every attack vector at it..
by trying to presume that testnet should have rules is like saying a cat litter box should only contain diamonds and the cat is not allowed to defecate in it.



so gmaxwell.. never says he cant recall a bug that causes an error in core?
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9997
... wait..is this gmaxwell himself having an error with his own client!!!!!!!

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May 09, 2017, 09:13:32 PM
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reality check
BU, xt, classic, nbitcoin(?maybe not), btcd, bitcoinj, and all the other implementations want a PEER NETWORK of diverse decentralisation on a single chain
Reality check:
You aren't in support of true network diversification, you are shilling crapware also known as BU.

1. if you stop reading reddit, you will see that no threats are actually made. the non-blockstream endorsed implementations are just plodding along, no deadlines no PoW nukes, no mandatory threats..
They are making threats every other day. It looks like you are a nobody, thus also uninformed.

2. if you read all the REKT campaigns and comments gmaxwell writes you will see where the real threats are made
Outright lie.

4. all the 'rekt xt 2014' rekt classic 2015 rekt BU 2016-17 are all dramatic distractions purely to try getting people to cower down and sumbit themselves over to relying on blockstream.
Blockstream has nothing to do with those threads.

5. blockstream/core are not perfect. they even admit they prefer to hid their issues for atleast 30 days AFTER a fix is found
At least their code does not crash all of their nodes every now of then. BU is trash. Period.

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A new attack, obviously. Unlimited is derived from Core v12 code versions, so an attacker familiar with the fixes done in the Core code in recent versions just have to use those vulnerabilities, one at a time, until the Unlimited developers keep in track with Core v14 fixes and their game will be over: no attacker will attack Unlimited without damaging Core too.

Who attacks Unlimited? Someone interested on the success of a different implementation. Who is interested in that success of Core v14/Segwit? Blockstream and those shills with an economic stake on Lightning implementation. It is so obvious who is doing this, and yet some people think they'll convince the rest it is because of Unlimited developers...

Some people (Blockstream among others) would burn to ashes the Bitcoin network if they'll could just be the kings of those ashes For that reason, Unlimited supporters are not going to change our minds and we will keep running our nodes. Just disabling XThin as developers are recommending, until they release a patch. In two weeks we will have another attack and we will repeat the protocol. Not a big deal :-)

It looks like r/btc is using the term "being attacked again" as their explanation although it's just another out of memory bug to do with their x-thin implementation Roll Eyes

Do you really want to make us believe that a synchronized leak of memory in the majority of the nodes is bug and not an intended attack? Oh, come on -ck, you are a reputable developer...
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A new attack, obviously. Unlimited is derived from Core v12 code versions, so an attacker familiar with the fixes done in the Core code in recent versions just have to use those vulnerabilities, one at a time, until the Unlimited developers keep in track with Core v14 fixes and their game will be over: no attacker will attack Unlimited without damaging Core too.
Do you have brain damage? The exploit, being the 5th so far, has nothing to do with Core code. The exploit is related to Xthin, which is an inferior and crappy version of Compact blocks. Xthin does not exist in Bitcoin Core: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6a49mz/bu_under_attack_temporarily_disable_xthin_as/

Who attacks Unlimited? Someone interested on the success of a different implementation.
A lot of individuals/groups attack Bitcoin Core each day. You have no point.

Who is interested in that success of Core v14/Segwit? Blockstream and those shills with an economic stake on Lightning implementation. It is so obvious who is doing this, and yet some people think they'll convince the rest it is because of Unlimited developers...
All the things that you've mentioned have nothing to do with each other.

Some people (Blockstream among others) would burn to ashes the Bitcoin network if they'll could just be the kings of those ashes For that reason, Unlimited supporters are not going to change our minds and we will keep running our nodes. Just disabling XThin as developers are recommending, until they release a patch. In two weeks we will have another attack and we will repeat the protocol. Not a big deal :-)
Anyone who supports Bitcoin Unlimited at this point is a shill or an outright idiot. Pick the one which better describes yourself.

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It looks like r/btc is using the term "being attacked again" as their explanation although it's just another out of memory bug to do with their x-thin implementation Roll Eyes

Do you really want to make us believe that a synchronized leak of memory in the majority of the nodes is bug and not an intended attack? Oh, come on -ck, you are a reputable developer...
Yes and when I have a bug that I introduced I call it what it is - my own bug. If I introduce an exploitable flaw in my code it is still my fault.

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