WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life?

[charleshoskinson]

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Tee hee you're all criminals now

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Tee hee you're all criminals now

GOD DAMN! Rickrolled again....

[Gabi]

This thread now is so illegal 

[Herodes]

Seriously WTF is going on here:

https://twitter.com/travisgoodspeed/status/328906226572345344

If this is true (I can't find that transaction)  This cannot help our cause at all.

(moderator note: read http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/04/on-bitcoin-data-spam-and-evil-data.html for an insight of this by the devs)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186573.msg1932955#msg1932955

I have a really dumb question.   I know it would bloat the blockchain (if it's possible the in the first place),  however I would like to know if I could put a message on the blockchain using the default client (or any client for that matter).   The content must be stored in the blockchain and not just some site that does aliasing like blockchain.info ...   I am talking sending bitcoins to X with the message 'paid in full'  or something idiotic like that. 

I understand there might be some big fees.. but it's just a question I want to know.

This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

Dude the second a cop breaks down your door and hauls you and your machine away,  a week later the headlines would be "Bitcoin User found with kiddie porn"

The Founder has made himself worthy of a hiatus from this forum. Also, the fact that somebody could arbitrarily put something in the block-chain, thus incriminating Bitcoin as a whole is a complete and utterly stupid concept. It's the same as saying that roads must be removed, vehicles be barred from driving on the road, and all pedestrians be prosecuted if someone plastered some kiddieporn pics on the sidewalk.

The founder is spreading FUD, and this is not the first time he does so.

[helohe]

Seriously WTF is going on here:

https://twitter.com/travisgoodspeed/status/328906226572345344

If this is true (I can't find that transaction)  This cannot help our cause at all.

(moderator note: read http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/04/on-bitcoin-data-spam-and-evil-data.html for an insight of this by the devs)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186573.msg1932955#msg1932955

I have a really dumb question.   I know it would bloat the blockchain (if it's possible the in the first place),  however I would like to know if I could put a message on the blockchain using the default client (or any client for that matter).   The content must be stored in the blockchain and not just some site that does aliasing like blockchain.info ...   I am talking sending bitcoins to X with the message 'paid in full'  or something idiotic like that. 

I understand there might be some big fees.. but it's just a question I want to know.

This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

Dude the second a cop breaks down your door and hauls you and your machine away,  a week later the headlines would be "Bitcoin User found with kiddie porn"

The Founder has made himself worthy of a hiatus from this forum. Also, the fact that somebody could arbitrarily put something in the block-chain, thus incriminating Bitcoin as a whole is a complete and utterly stupid concept. It's the same as saying that roads must be removed, vehicles be barred from driving on the road, and all pedestrians be prosecuted if someone plastered some kiddieporn pics on the sidewalk.

The founder is spreading FUD, and this is not the first time he does so.

+1

[Peter Todd]

What happens when inserting EICAR string into blockchain?

That's been tried on testnet; nothing happens. Anti-virus tools seem to ignore data in the middle of large unexecutable binary files.

[Elwar]

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/02/technology/security/bitcoin-porn/?source=cnn_bin

"The U.S. Justice Department wouldn't comment on this specific case, but an agency spokesman pointed CNNMoney to the exact wording of the law, which states that the issue becomes a crime when a person "knowingly possesses, or knowingly accesses with intent to view" child porn. It doesn't appear that an unsuspecting user with these coded links sitting on their hard drive has much to worry about. "

Downloading the blockchain to look at some porn? No? Then no crime.

[Herodes]

Downloading the blockchain to look at some porn? No? Then no crime.

Exactly. Now some mod put this thread to the thrash bin where it belongs.

[bittenbob]

Exactly. Now some mod put this thread to the thrash bin where it belongs.

I think this thread belongs where it is because it raises many valid questions. This is actually one of my theoretical attack vectors against the Bitcoin network. If you can make storing the block chain illegal you can effectively make Bitcoin illegal. Does anyone know which idiot did this entry? I can't be bothered to dig through all the links but if its not known it could be some government agent as part of a wider spread campaign against Bitcoin.

[Herodes]

Exactly. Now some mod put this thread to the thrash bin where it belongs.

I think this thread belongs where it is because it raises many valid questions. This is actually one of my theoretical attack vectors against the Bitcoin network. If you can make storing the block chain illegal you can effectively make Bitcoin illegal. Does anyone know which idiot did this entry? I can't be bothered to dig through all the links but if its not known it could be some government agent as part of a wider spread campaign against Bitcoin.

The same muppet that posted this thread recently asked how he could inject data in the blockchain. Then shortly thereafter he mysteriously found someone on twitter claiming that kiddiepornlinks was injected in the block-chain.

No, this is not an attack vector, this is sheer lunacy.

[charleshoskinson]

OK so we can concluded the following:


Discussion over

[Matthew N. Wright]

The same muppet that posted this thread recently asked how he could inject data in the blockchain. Then shortly thereafter he mysteriously found someone on twitter claiming that kiddiepornlinks was injected in the block-chain.

Kind of like how he had found an exploit for instawallet and then asked what would happen, then told everyone that coins were stolen long before instawallet had even announced that coins were stolen?

[Epinnoia]

It's the same as saying that roads must be removed, vehicles be barred from driving on the road, and all pedestrians be prosecuted if someone plastered some kiddieporn pics on the sidewalk.

The founder is spreading FUD, and this is not the first time he does so.

Not exactly.  In that case, the offending images would simply be removed from the sidewalk.  In the case of the blockchain, it can't be removed.  

[tvbcof]

It's the same as saying that roads must be removed, vehicles be barred from driving on the road, and all pedestrians be prosecuted if someone plastered some kiddieporn pics on the sidewalk.

The founder is spreading FUD, and this is not the first time he does so.

Not exactly.  In that case, the offending images would simply be removed from the sidewalk.  In the case of the blockchain, it can't be removed.  

Try this:

A strip mine is used as a repository for undesired fill dirt.  Eventually a nice set of vegetation grows and it's a decent place be and is obtained as a public green-space.

Years later, it is found that someone dumped a stash of offending material in the pit before it was filled.  Everyone who uses the park comes within 300 feet of the stuff, and it would be possible for someone to dig a tunnel and actually look at it.

What to do?  Make the park off-limits and prosecute anyone who walks in it?  Tear out the park to find and destroy the offending material?  Ignore what is obviously a non-issue?

I suspect that if occupy-wallstreet started using the park it would be obvious to the authorities, media, etc, that making the park off-limits would be the thing to do.

[SAQ]

I think I agree with charles. There is an attempt to create bad pr for bitcoins, the foundation should try and counteract such attempt.

Until I read this thread I thought there were actual proper images on the blockchain. In fact what seems to be the case is that there are encoded links. That's a non issue. Why should anyone care that in a code there are some links. I mean links themselves are not porn to begin with. Then, you need to decode the code.

However, this should be explained. The CNN article for example (http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/02/technology/security/bitcoin-porn/index.html) should contain a quote from someone on the bitcoin side stating, hey guys this is just giberish code which would need to be decoded and even then it only shows some links, so it is not porn.

[abbyd]

I think I agree with charles. There is an attempt to create bad pr for bitcoins, the foundation should try and counteract such attempt.

Until I read this thread I thought there were actual proper images on the blockchain. In fact what seems to be the case is that there are encoded links. That's a non issue. Why should anyone care that in a code there are some links. I mean links themselves are not porn to begin with. Then, you need to decode the code.

However, this should be explained. The CNN article for example (http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/02/technology/security/bitcoin-porn/index.html) should contain a quote from someone on the bitcoin side stating, hey guys this is just giberish code which would need to be decoded and even then it only shows some links, so it is not porn.

...and why can't somebody get a takedown on the stupid CP link?  Or do the feds want to keep the link up as a honeypot?

[Rassah]

...and why can't somebody get a takedown on the stupid CP link?  Or do the feds want to keep the link up as a honeypot?

It's a Tor link. It's impossible to know where it actually is, and thus is impossible to take down, let alone find out whom to contact to have it be taken down. For all anyone knows, those files could actually be stored, hidden in an encrypted form, on your own computer, and are being served to everyone using a computer virus based web server.

[abbyd]

...and why can't somebody get a takedown on the stupid CP link?  Or do the feds want to keep the link up as a honeypot?

It's a Tor link. It's impossible to know where it actually is, and thus is impossible to take down, let alone find out whom to contact to have it be taken down. For all anyone knows, those files could actually be stored, hidden in an encrypted form, on your own computer, and are being served to everyone using a computer virus based web server.

Finding where it's hosted shouldn't be that hard - you would need a compromised Tor exit node. I doubt you'd even need to decrypt the traffic, just trace the packets?

[mjc]

I think this could be a kin to two people beaming data through the air and that beam happens to cross your property.  Yes if you went out and got an antenna you could intercept, but if you don't are you liable for someone putting CP into thin air that crosses your property?  Or are the Internet line carriers at risk if someone transmits illegal data across their network?

[Wilikon]

How did the dude posting the info on twtr knew what and where to look at if it was not easy to stumble upon it?