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[PuertoLibre]

Give it a rest, people. If you don't want a BFL, don't buy one. If you missed the boat then go cry a river. Trolling the forums with every possible contrived little complaint you can dig up just demonstrates that you're a whiny bitch with an ax to grind...

Hehe,

I didn't miss the boat, the boat missed me?!

Actually, the boat never came, and it was notorious for being late and for having serious "leaky" problems. The boat conductor is also awful. He swears like a sailor!

[k9quaint]

This argument is beyond retarded. It's the same trolls over and over (I'm looking to you, Smoothie). It's not BFL's fault that people didn't choose to invest in bitcoin instead of a pre-order of an ASIC miner. Nobody had any knowledge, let alone a guarantee that the bitcoin exchange rate was going to rocket off like it did in such a short amount of time. Some people bet wrong, and didn't make as much money. boo hoo.

The same argument can be made on ANY investment, with the benefit of hindsight. "Well, if you'd just bet on the winning team, you wouldn't have lost the bet. So clearly the losing team owes the bettor some winnings!" Um. no.

Give it a rest, people. If you don't want a BFL, don't buy one. If you missed the boat then go cry a river. Trolling the forums with every possible contrived little complaint you can dig up just demonstrates that you're a whiny bitch with an ax to grind...

This is what people with no real argument post. They piss and moan and beg you to stop posting.
Wrenchmonkey didn't read the earlier posts talking about how the current exchange rate does not matter in calculating the BTC lost by betting on BFL.
Why would he read them? He has nothing to offer this forum except to go down on his knees and beg everyone to stop bashing BFL. You don't need to read posts to do that.

[smoothie]

So then it doesn't count that BFL failed on their promises for 6 months after their original promised delivery date in which cost investors opportunity?

Yeah right lol my argument is so flawed. I am an unbiased observer that never put any money into a preorder with BFL or any ASIC company. My opinion has weight to it because I'm not responding nor posting based on emotion. Purely on the facts that BFL promised then lied to string investors along for months all the while m owing the could not ship for months.

Josh will never address the inconsistencies of them saying they did X in October then saying agai. That finally they are doing X in march.

Bullshit lol

[-ck]

Can we have one BFL thread that doesn't end up debating the same offtopic things that 10 billion other threads already do?

Looks like the answer is no. 

[smoothie]

Can we have one BFL thread that doesn't end up debating the same offtopic things that 10 billion other threads already do?

Looks like the answer is no. 

At least you tried. Lol

[wrenchmonkey]

This argument is beyond retarded. It's the same trolls over and over (I'm looking to you, Smoothie). It's not BFL's fault that people didn't choose to invest in bitcoin instead of a pre-order of an ASIC miner. Nobody had any knowledge, let alone a guarantee that the bitcoin exchange rate was going to rocket off like it did in such a short amount of time. Some people bet wrong, and didn't make as much money. boo hoo.

The same argument can be made on ANY investment, with the benefit of hindsight. "Well, if you'd just bet on the winning team, you wouldn't have lost the bet. So clearly the losing team owes the bettor some winnings!" Um. no.

Give it a rest, people. If you don't want a BFL, don't buy one. If you missed the boat then go cry a river. Trolling the forums with every possible contrived little complaint you can dig up just demonstrates that you're a whiny bitch with an ax to grind...

This is what people with no real argument post. They piss and moan and beg you to stop posting.
Wrenchmonkey didn't read the earlier posts talking about how the current exchange rate does not matter in calculating the BTC lost by betting on BFL.
Why would he read them? He has nothing to offer this forum except to go down on his knees and beg everyone to stop bashing BFL. You don't need to read posts to do that.

The number of coins "lost" by betting on BFL is irrelevant. You could have turned that money into billions, if you'd been able to read the future. Again, it's just the same as saying after the end of a game, or a boxing match "Man, the loser of that game totally cost you, like, a million dollars, dude! If you'd gone out and bet all your money on the WINNING team, you could've been rich by now!"

It takes a special kind of stupid to use hindsight in your argument.

And no, I'm not begging anybody to stop posting. Where did I beg anybody to stop posting? I'm just pointing out that it's always the same trolls, who have nothing better to do than cry about BFL. You're OBSESSED. It's unhealthy. Get a hobby, dude.

[erk]

Can we have one BFL thread that doesn't end up debating the same offtopic things that 10 billion other threads already do?

Looks like the answer is no. 

Lol.

So anyway, tell us a bit more about your little BFL "Borg cube" have you got it mining all the time or just mucking about with it?

Does it run hot to touch?

How much CPU power do you need for cgminer to drive one of these things? Like would it run from a Raspberry Pi or a small low power Intel Atom board?

[-ck]

Can we have one BFL thread that doesn't end up debating the same offtopic things that 10 billion other threads already do?

Looks like the answer is no. 

Lol.

So anyway, tell us a bit more about your little BFL "Borg cube" have you got it mining all the time or just mucking about with it?

Does it run hot to touch?

How much CPU power do you need for cgminer to drive one of these things? Like would it run from a Raspberry Pi or a small low power Intel Atom board?

The cgminer code is stable so it needs no attention right now so I've left it mining full time. I've moved it around a few times from pc to laptop to mining rig and so on. I've ripped the case off to look inside, and found it runs a lot cooler with the fan blowing downwards and the case off - though I put it back together the original way to be able to safely move it from PC to PC. My particular one runs at 5.7GH with about 1 hw error only every 12 hours. When mining on a PC only with it, the CPU usage of cgminer doesn't even register (something like <1%). Trying it on r-pi it still only uses 3% CPU to run it. This is all thanks to cgminer using direct USB instead of the ancient serial usb interface with the ftdi driver. It doesn't run hot at all, mine sits at ~43 degrees on the sensor and is only warm to touch. It uses 32W via the power brick it was sent with, but only increases my mining rig's power by 30W when I use the adapter to plug it into the PSU of the rig so this is a more efficient way to mine with it.

[mrb]

My order number was 1604.

How can this be true? BitPay was doing API tests and during their tests ISTR they created order numbers around 1630-1640.
And the first real order numbers for SC's started around 1650-1660: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.0

So how can you be 1604? Typo?

[k9quaint]

This argument is beyond retarded. It's the same trolls over and over (I'm looking to you, Smoothie). It's not BFL's fault that people didn't choose to invest in bitcoin instead of a pre-order of an ASIC miner. Nobody had any knowledge, let alone a guarantee that the bitcoin exchange rate was going to rocket off like it did in such a short amount of time. Some people bet wrong, and didn't make as much money. boo hoo.

The same argument can be made on ANY investment, with the benefit of hindsight. "Well, if you'd just bet on the winning team, you wouldn't have lost the bet. So clearly the losing team owes the bettor some winnings!" Um. no.

Give it a rest, people. If you don't want a BFL, don't buy one. If you missed the boat then go cry a river. Trolling the forums with every possible contrived little complaint you can dig up just demonstrates that you're a whiny bitch with an ax to grind...

This is what people with no real argument post. They piss and moan and beg you to stop posting.
Wrenchmonkey didn't read the earlier posts talking about how the current exchange rate does not matter in calculating the BTC lost by betting on BFL.
Why would he read them? He has nothing to offer this forum except to go down on his knees and beg everyone to stop bashing BFL. You don't need to read posts to do that.

The number of coins "lost" by betting on BFL is irrelevant. You could have turned that money into billions, if you'd been able to read the future. Again, it's just the same as saying after the end of a game, or a boxing match "Man, the loser of that game totally cost you, like, a million dollars, dude! If you'd gone out and bet all your money on the WINNING team, you could've been rich by now!"

It takes a special kind of stupid to use hindsight in your argument.

And no, I'm not begging anybody to stop posting. Where did I beg anybody to stop posting? I'm just pointing out that it's always the same trolls, who have nothing better to do than cry about BFL. You're OBSESSED. It's unhealthy. Get a hobby, dude.

The number of bitcoins lost by betting on BFL is irrelevant? I hope you have fun explaining that to the people who actually lost those coins. You have a bright future as a punching bag.
Nobody is using hindsight for what you suggest. We are enumerating the damages caused by BFL's bait and switch.

Speaking of the same old cast of characters, you are actually one of about 5 accounts who relentlessly defend BFL against all comers.
Inaba of course, and his 2 sockpuppets Erk and MinterJ
Kano, who hates Avalon so much that he hitched his wagon to BFL just for spites sake (You can read Kano's marriage proposal to Josh here after Kano was refused a free Avalon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87934.msg1511889#msg1511889)
And you.

Say you laid a bet on a roulette wheel in a Vegas casino and lost all your money. Later you found out that the roulette table was fixed and you had zero chance of winning, would you argue that you deserved to lose because you had to use hindsight to determine that you had been ripped off? No. Only a "special type of stupid" would make such an argument.

Go back to begging, you don't seem quite as pathetic when you are on your knees with tears in your eyes.

[jjiimm_64]

My order number was 1604.

Could you double check that order number???

order numbers before 1655 where fpga orders. as far as i know, the first asic order placed was approx 1655

[Bitsaurus]

This argument is beyond retarded. It's the same trolls over and over (I'm looking to you, Smoothie). It's not BFL's fault that people didn't choose to invest in bitcoin instead of a pre-order of an ASIC miner. Nobody had any knowledge, let alone a guarantee that the bitcoin exchange rate was going to rocket off like it did in such a short amount of time. Some people bet wrong, and didn't make as much money. boo hoo.

The same argument can be made on ANY investment, with the benefit of hindsight. "Well, if you'd just bet on the winning team, you wouldn't have lost the bet. So clearly the losing team owes the bettor some winnings!" Um. no.

Give it a rest, people. If you don't want a BFL, don't buy one. If you missed the boat then go cry a river. Trolling the forums with every possible contrived little complaint you can dig up just demonstrates that you're a whiny bitch with an ax to grind...

This is what people with no real argument post. They piss and moan and beg you to stop posting.
Wrenchmonkey didn't read the earlier posts talking about how the current exchange rate does not matter in calculating the BTC lost by betting on BFL.
Why would he read them? He has nothing to offer this forum except to go down on his knees and beg everyone to stop bashing BFL. You don't need to read posts to do that.

The number of coins "lost" by betting on BFL is irrelevant. You could have turned that money into billions, if you'd been able to read the future. Again, it's just the same as saying after the end of a game, or a boxing match "Man, the loser of that game totally cost you, like, a million dollars, dude! If you'd gone out and bet all your money on the WINNING team, you could've been rich by now!"

It takes a special kind of stupid to use hindsight in your argument.

And no, I'm not begging anybody to stop posting. Where did I beg anybody to stop posting? I'm just pointing out that it's always the same trolls, who have nothing better to do than cry about BFL. You're OBSESSED. It's unhealthy. Get a hobby, dude.

It takes a special kind of troll who registered 14 days ago to vehemently defend a company that repeatedly strung along customers.  In your boxing analogy it would be like a friend who kept telling you over and over that the "loser" was a sure bet and would KO the other guy any moment now.  So you want to blame the customers for listening to BFL - is that how it goes? Gotcha.

[Inaba]

Yes BFL cannot be blamed for people who want a refund in BTC paid - you can't use a purchase as a hedge against foreign exchanges.  They can blame BFL for poor planning on their miner hardware deployment secondary to BFL's, uh how did you word it, "fallacious statement" - of which I believe you were responsible for later on in 2012.  I have yet to see you apologize even once for the delays the BFL suffered, whether intentional or not.  Can't you for just one time say you hurt people?  Or does that admit to liability to be used in court?

So once again, you boil it down to what every other troll really trolls with.  You basically have nothing else.  "BFL is late."  

Yep, BFL is late.  I've apologized for it numerous times, and again, like Charlie, I am not your personal secretary.  If you're so lazy or incompetent that you can't be bothered to find the myriad of threads where I've apologized for it, that's just too bad, you'll have to suck it up and drive on, little soldier.  

I have hurt no one.  If you've been hurt by bitcoin, in whatever fashion, you seriously need to re-examine your life and reassess your priorities.  Putting yourself in a position where you can be hurt by an experimental currency and bleeding edge technology is not just stupid, it's completely irresponsible and you shouldn't be allowed near a computer, much less money.  On top of that, the timeline for the ASICs was set and announced long, long before I came on board.  As I've said, again in countless places, going forward if I have any say in the situation, BFL will not be announcing timelines beyond "When it's ready."  

Come on, rebuke me with some of your SAT vocabulary.  Please abstain from 4 letter words and profanity.

I love this, when a troll trots out this old saw.  I rarely put profanity in my posts (It happens on occasion, but not often), but you're so blinded by your rage and butthurt that you envision profanity where there is none.  Does my vocabulary threaten you somehow?  Do you fail to understand the big words I use so you translate them into imaginary profanity, is that how that works?  I've always been curious as to where the source of this particular trope originates, perhaps you can enlighten me.

[k9quaint]

I fixed up one of Inaba's rage posts:

Yep, BFL is late.  I've apologized for it numerous times.

 If you've been hurt by bitcoin, in whatever fashion, you seriously need to re-examine your life and reassess your priorities.  Putting yourself in a position where you can be hurt by an experimental currency and bleeding edge technology is a bad idea.  As I've said, again in countless places, going forward if I have any say in the situation, BFL will not be announcing timelines beyond "When it's ready."  

to more accurately reflect what a real PR person would have written, instead of what a very insecure man with poor social skills might write.

[Inaba]

I fixed up one of Inaba's rage posts:

Yep, BFL is late.  I've apologized for it numerous times.

 If you've been hurt by bitcoin, in whatever fashion, you seriously need to re-examine your life and reassess your priorities.  Putting yourself in a position where you can be hurt by an experimental currency and bleeding edge technology is a bad idea.  As I've said, again in countless places, going forward if I have any say in the situation, BFL will not be announcing timelines beyond "When it's ready." 

to more accurately reflect what a real PR person would have written, instead of what a very insecure man with poor social skills might write.

Good thing I'm not a PR man then, huh?  Oh... one more thing you don't know.  That brings the list to... lets see... crap, basically everything.

[johnyj]

Every time I see Inaba fighting someone here, I feel that there might be some trouble at BFL    Is there some problem with the new PCB board production? Or not enough electronic components in stock ready for purchase?

[smoothie]

Every time I see Inaba fighting someone here, I feel that there might be some trouble at BFL    Is there some problem with the new PCB board production? Or not enough electronic components in stock ready for purchase?

You would think INABA would not have enough time to troll the forums with his presence with all the backed up preorders up the ass they have right??

No more important than getting customer's their devices is defending BFL's image which they themselves tarnished by lies and deceit.

[k9quaint]

I fixed up one of Inaba's rage posts:

Yep, BFL is late.  I've apologized for it numerous times.

 If you've been hurt by bitcoin, in whatever fashion, you seriously need to re-examine your life and reassess your priorities.  Putting yourself in a position where you can be hurt by an experimental currency and bleeding edge technology is a bad idea.  As I've said, again in countless places, going forward if I have any say in the situation, BFL will not be announcing timelines beyond "When it's ready." 

to more accurately reflect what a real PR person would have written, instead of what a very insecure man with poor social skills might write.

Good thing I'm not a PR man then, huh?  Oh... one more thing you don't know.  That brings the list to... lets see... crap, basically everything.

I think everyone who has ever come into contact with you realizes that you have no talent at all in public relations. You don't need to belabor that point.
You claim to be the chief operations officer, yet have very little that operates to show for it.
Right now, you are the face (some might say ass) of BFL on these boards. If you actually want to protect and grow your business, then you should hire an real PR person. If you have no business to protect, well then I guess you might as well just rage on. 

[Tehfiend]

Can we have one BFL thread that doesn't end up debating the same offtopic things that 10 billion other threads already do?

Sorry but that's not going to happen when you have the BFL frontman himself trolling the topic despite the fact that he's been too busy to post an update that he said would "come in the next day or two, hopefully" two weeks ago . I've stayed out of the BFL lynch mob so far but couldn't help but join in when I saw his attitude here.

When I do a deal, it is what it worth, at that time...

At the time people placed their pre-orders, the deal was to have an ASIC miner delivered by Jan 1st. Every month of delay lowers that worth from the original valuation. That devaluation is based on BTC and has nothing to do with the exchange rate or any factors external to BFL. Originally I sided with BFL since they offered full refunds so I felt people willingly chose to stay on board and shouldn't complain. Then when I really dug through Josh's post history, it does seem very likely that he posted fraudulent ship dates to string people along. Why would you cancel your order in Feb if they were just about to ship in March? He's held that carrot right out in front leading everybody the entire way one little lie at a time. Look at the last two updates. First he says "We plan on shipping possibly by the end of next week" then two weeks later mentions "We've been working on getting the software and firmware nailed down". This has my bullshit meter pegged. It's starting to become clear the Josh has never had any idea when they might ship and just keeps staying "almost there". I think the reason Josh can't find time to post that update that's two weeks over due is because saying nothing is easier than telling another lie that the "trolls" will hold him accountable for...

[Inaba]

Right now, you are the face (some might say ass) of BFL on these boards. If you actually want to protect and grow your business, then you should hire an real PR person. If you have no business to protect, well then I guess you might as well just rage on.

Whoa... I see where the communication breakdown is.  You think Bitcointalk is still relevant to mining hardware.  Heh.  How... quaint.  I see where you get your nick, now.