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[Namworld]

really? even if one user had 80% of the account in this raffle? coinroll.it prob did rig the raffle if they keep that list

There is absolutely no way to prove/verify/eliminate those accounts vs legitimate accounts with 100% accuracy, on top of being no rules against it. What is Scrat supposed to do? Ban every account barely making the 100 posts requirements in time because they all look like duplicate? It was advertised on IRC and it was already a big raffle at the time, there's probably many people who signed up expressively for the the raffle doing the bare minimum.

The issue is the same for every other signature raffle. Sockpuppets are probably entering them to monetize their post count. Nobody complains. What's the difference, really? I don't think that's very fair to Scrat. He paid the 100 BTC upfront too so if something happened to him and the casino made a loss of its bankroll, participants could be paid.

I'll suggest to Scrat if he does another raffle to only allow accounts that were created before the raffle when he comes back. But it's just the same as every other raffle, not going to prevent multiple accounts. Hopefully a fairer system can be found for future signature advertising to deal with that.

You can join Coinroll's support channel, #coinroll on freenode. I'm moderator on that channel. I'll make note of demands/suggestions for Coinroll and future raffles.

Scrat probably forgot about the raffle with his sickness and then work. He's supposed to be working on a brand new version of Coinroll with tons of improvements.

It's been almost a month. John K. as the escrow should just proceed and pay winnings. He's there to settle things if problems arise as the escrow.

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[johnmatrix]

John K. as an escrow can resolve it as a dispute. I am unsure what happened to Scrat but will contact John K. regarding this matter.

All participants/winners can remove their signature. The list is final.

All winners, feel free to add #coinroll on freenode to your list of favorite channels to stay updated.

really? even if one user had 80% of the account in this raffle? coinroll.it prob did rig the raffle if they keep that list

Stop deviating the topic from what real matters, you are complaining about a list with prizes that are not even real already.. john k is absent and that is what only matters right know, if john k dont release the btcs, even if there are 50 diff list nobody will receive a cent.

[johnmatrix]

Coinroll.it is in no way responsible for this. The terms, which include the escrow with John K., were posted for everyone to see. Anyone who puts anything negative about coinroll.it in their signature is either ignorant, or an asshole.

Coinroll is responsible, and i think the "bad guys" are them, in first place, they appear like 10 days late, then john k appears and nobody of coinroll is here to say even a hello. they act like that just because they "think" they are giving too much bcause the btc went up?? lol, btc could have gone to 5 usd instead of go up .. so as i said, the wrong attitude belong to others.

[Namworld]

Coinroll.it is in no way responsible for this. The terms, which include the escrow with John K., were posted for everyone to see. Anyone who puts anything negative about coinroll.it in their signature is either ignorant, or an asshole.

Coinroll is responsible, and i think the "bad guys" are them, in first place, they appear like 10 days late, then john k appears and nobody of coinroll is here to say even a hello. they act like that just because they "think" they are giving too much bcause the btc went up?? lol, btc could have gone to 5 usd instead of go up .. so as i said, the wrong attitude belong to others.

The list of eligible participants is there, the secrets are disclosed, the corresponding list exists. If Scrat can't come back to sign on the final list, John K. can go ahead as an escrow. Scrat doesn't think Coinroll is giving too much or care about the price having gone up. He knew prior to starting to raffle and paid the whole amount UPFRONT. Now that some time has elapsed, John K. will need to make a decision about how long to wait and when to go ahead and distribute without Scrat.

Scrat already gave the secret to select winners and cleared people under 100 posts on the thread back in December. He probably forgot he had to sign the final list over the month since this raffle has started. He's probably completely unaware of the current situation and think John K. will distribute as soon as he comes back (Last I saw Scrat, John K. hadn't been around for a while and we were waiting on him. Now John K. is back and waiting for a signed list.) Normally Scrat isn't needed around that much.

I'm very sorry about the delays and wish I could do something more. I can assure you Scrat doesn't think he's giving too much. He wouldn't be able to get back the BTC and keep them regardless as he already sent them to John K. months ago.

Any participant may remove the signature. The list was already pruned of ineligible accounts in December and should be final. Sorry that it's taking so long to process payments for winners. The BTC is still at the escrow address and ready to be sent by John K. as soon as he considers he can't wait for Scrat any longer. It's been almost a month now and I'll be contacting John K. regarding that matter.

[notserp]

Ok, Here is the list that took me a couple hours compiling.

I went through and checked users posts and based it on users posts, specifically what type of posts they made where they were made as well as their content (ie. one liners etc.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/huhhwl74wh56iwj/Coinroll-raffle.docx
Google-docs doesn't show colors? Download it and open.

Also, I will recheck miner2020 patters later on tonight. Sorry, wife takes priority. lol

Legend:
Green = Real user
No Color = I couldn't say for sure so I left them as Real but in Neutral.
Red = I saw a consistent pattern of where the users posted to what thread and content.

My estimation by what I saw in the Red posts and threads is that about 80% of the accounts I flagged as Red are controlled by 1 user.
Either way , just something that somebody can look over.

I am not saying I am 100% right..., but throwing my analysis out there.

Thank you.

so this guy is wrong then one guy didnt control 80% of accounts

[Rawted]

In all my dealings with Scrat and Namworld both here and extensively on IRC, they have exhibited nothing but trustworthiness and professionalism. I would bet anything they say is the truth.

[Namworld]

Ok, Here is the list that took me a couple hours compiling.

I went through and checked users posts and based it on users posts, specifically what type of posts they made where they were made as well as their content (ie. one liners etc.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/huhhwl74wh56iwj/Coinroll-raffle.docx
Google-docs doesn't show colors? Download it and open.

Also, I will recheck miner2020 patters later on tonight. Sorry, wife takes priority. lol

Legend:
Green = Real user
No Color = I couldn't say for sure so I left them as Real but in Neutral.
Red = I saw a consistent pattern of where the users posted to what thread and content.

My estimation by what I saw in the Red posts and threads is that about 80% of the accounts I flagged as Red are controlled by 1 user.
Either way , just something that somebody can look over.

I am not saying I am 100% right..., but throwing my analysis out there.

Thank you.

so this guy is wrong then one guy didnt control 80% of accounts

Indeed. 80% seems excessive. Even if we find patterns, the problem is that this raffle was advertised and mentioned on IRC. Probably a bunch of people who signed and did the minimum just to participate in the raffle. There's no way to tell for sure a single user vs one who'd sign with multiple account. Plus there is no terms against multiple accounts. All accounts on the list met the terms of the raffle and made the required amount of posts. Not letting them in would betray the wording of the raffle's terms. This is why I want to suggest that if another raffle is made, terms be done differently to try and reduce multi-account. But there's not much that can be done about this raffle.

[notserp]

so what about the few that made a 100 post after dec 20th? i forgot who but it was listed somewhere in this thread scrat was so late on making the list he prob didnt check good u take them off the u have a whole different set of numbers if u guys are gonna pay the scamers u should just split the 100 btc with  everyone that entered the raffle.

[Namworld]

so what about the few that made a 100 post after dec 20th? i forgot who but it was listed somewhere in this thread scrat was so late on making the list he prob didnt check good u take them off the u have a whole different set of numbers if u guys are gonna pay the scamers u should just split the 100 btc with  everyone that entered the raffle.

Someone mentioned that some didn't have the amount of posts in time according to posting history to which I pointed out I went through the thread when users where pruned and all had 100 posts at the time, so some may have deleted posts/threads in which they participated deleted after the final list was made.

Which scammers? Can't see none in the list that hasn't respected the terms of the raffle.

[notserp]

scammers multi  accounters whatever u what to call them

[CoinDiver]

I missed the part of the rules where they specifically excluded multiple accounts. Sounds to me like a whole lot of butthurt over not winning.

[notserp]

lol as long as they know they paying cheaters and scammers im fine, i dont care i didnt win i just hate seeing scammers win so much for fair raffle.

[danyy]

Agree jon matrix
. A lot of buthurt fighting for something that is not even sure yet

[Scrat Acorns]

Greetings

I apologize that I haven't been around to see this through, but I was hospitalized 4 weeks ago with a life threatening illness. I am better now, but the road to recovery will be tough.

I've not been directly affiliated with Coinroll for a few months now. There was a misunderstanding and lack of communication among the operators of Coinroll which is my fault.

I was under the impression that since the list had already been posted everyone, including John K, would've been able to calculate the winners once everything was out in the open so I was no longer needed. It seems that I never gave John K that instruction so sorry about that.

Winners of the Raffle will be paid. The official list will be posted tomorrow and sent to John K once winners of 5 & 50 BTC verify their address by PM.

Regarding "cheaters":
All accounts had at least 100 posts when the final list was posted. There was no condition for multiple accounts in the original post. Who gets to decide which ones are duplicate accounts anyway? That would require cooperation from Theymos, which would be close to impossible and it's the reason it wasn't directly stated in the original post. It would also be easily defeated by using TOR for example. There is no reliable way to check for duplicate accounts.


In retrospect, the required post count should have been much higher and only old members should have been able to participate. BTC price was also 10 times lower back then. Alas, you cannot change the past nor predict the future.

[johnmatrix]

Greetings

I apologize that I haven't been around to see this through, but I was hospitalized 4 weeks ago with a life threatening illness. I am better now, but the road to recovery will be tough.

I've not been directly affiliated with Coinroll for a few months now. There was a misunderstanding and lack of communication among the operators of Coinroll which is my fault.

I was under the impression that since the list had already been posted everyone, including John K, would've been able to calculate the winners once everything was out in the open so I was no longer needed. It seems that I never gave John K that instruction so sorry about that.

Winners of the Raffle will be paid. The official list will be posted tomorrow and sent to John K once winners of 5 & 50 BTC verify their address by PM.

Regarding "cheaters":
All accounts had at least 100 posts when the final list was posted. There was no condition for multiple accounts in the original post. Who gets to decide which ones are duplicate accounts anyway? That would require cooperation from Theymos, which would be close to impossible and it's the reason it wasn't directly stated in the original post. It would also be easily defeated by using TOR for example. There is no reliable way to check for duplicate accounts.


In retrospect, the required post count should have been much higher and only old members should have been able to participate. BTC price was also 10 times lower back then. Alas, you cannot change the past nor predict the future.

Firstable im sorry for your illness.. hope you get better fast.

And agree with you.. its like if someone is paying 1 buck for each soda we sold, if someone hire 5 people to sell the sodas for him, why he wont get paid??..and im saying this while i dont have even one multi acc..

So thankyou for the aclaration, and we will wait for the final list for tomorrow and the authorization to john k to release the btcs.

[Unluckyduck]

Greetings

I apologize that I haven't been around to see this through, but I was hospitalized 4 weeks ago with a life threatening illness. I am better now, but the road to recovery will be tough.

I've not been directly affiliated with Coinroll for a few months now. There was a misunderstanding and lack of communication among the operators of Coinroll which is my fault.

I was under the impression that since the list had already been posted everyone, including John K, would've been able to calculate the winners once everything was out in the open so I was no longer needed. It seems that I never gave John K that instruction so sorry about that.

Winners of the Raffle will be paid. The official list will be posted tomorrow and sent to John K once winners of 5 & 50 BTC verify their address by PM.

Regarding "cheaters":
All accounts had at least 100 posts when the final list was posted. There was no condition for multiple accounts in the original post. Who gets to decide which ones are duplicate accounts anyway? That would require cooperation from Theymos, which would be close to impossible and it's the reason it wasn't directly stated in the original post. It would also be easily defeated by using TOR for example. There is no reliable way to check for duplicate accounts.


In retrospect, the required post count should have been much higher and only old members should have been able to participate. BTC price was also 10 times lower back then. Alas, you cannot change the past nor predict the future.

Firstable im sorry for your illness.. hope you get better fast.

And agree with you.. its like if someone is paying 1 buck for each soda we sold, if someone hire 5 people to sell the sodas for him, why he wont get paid??..and im saying this while i dont have even one multi acc..

So thankyou for the aclaration, and we will wait for the final list for tomorrow and the authorization to john k to release the btcs.

Unfortunately it appears John K is still missing.

[Rawted]

Greetings

I apologize that I haven't been around to see this through, but I was hospitalized 4 weeks ago with a life threatening illness. I am better now, but the road to recovery will be tough.

I've not been directly affiliated with Coinroll for a few months now. There was a misunderstanding and lack of communication among the operators of Coinroll which is my fault.

I was under the impression that since the list had already been posted everyone, including John K, would've been able to calculate the winners once everything was out in the open so I was no longer needed. It seems that I never gave John K that instruction so sorry about that.

Winners of the Raffle will be paid. The official list will be posted tomorrow and sent to John K once winners of 5 & 50 BTC verify their address by PM.

Regarding "cheaters":
All accounts had at least 100 posts when the final list was posted. There was no condition for multiple accounts in the original post. Who gets to decide which ones are duplicate accounts anyway? That would require cooperation from Theymos, which would be close to impossible and it's the reason it wasn't directly stated in the original post. It would also be easily defeated by using TOR for example. There is no reliable way to check for duplicate accounts.


In retrospect, the required post count should have been much higher and only old members should have been able to participate. BTC price was also 10 times lower back then. Alas, you cannot change the past nor predict the future.

I couldn't care less about the Bitcoins, but hope that you are doing ok bud. If there's anything i can do to help out, please let me know. I'll hop on IRC soon and chat you up.

[hasher87]

alas, cheaters always prevail 

[tsoPANos]

Unfortunately it appears John K is still missing.

at least scrat is here. Thank god, he's safe and sound now!

[Amph]

where is the list?