BOYCOTT MPEx & SDice [RACISM]

[haitispaceagency]

damn mem just got fucking wreck extremely hard. are you ok m8? mate, relaly, i'm concerned, you just got wrecked and want to make sur eyou are ok, are you ok mate?

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[haitispaceagency]

check out this very interesting post i saw on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c4qpt/the_hypocrisy_of_the_bitcoin_community/c9m2zhp

don't listen to mem he is a racist ignorant bigot.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Wait, let me get this straight.

There is an illegal gambling game whose illegal shares are being sold illegally on an illegal stock exchange site with money widely criticized across the world for being connected to money laundering, drugs and child porn and you're telling everyone to boycott everything involved in the mix, not for those reasons, but because someone used the "n" word on the internet?

[MPOE-PR]

http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/

This is the kind of person they chose to do business with.  
No excuses, either remove yourself from that horrible business or be forever blacklisted on my list as a supporters of a hate group.

MPEx and every business associated with it is a nasty stain on bitcoins reputation and I will have nothing todo with it.

Erik I encourage you to respond but my stance will not change, either you stop doing business with that pimple on the ass of bitcoin or be branded a racist.

Reddit Submission: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1czjxa/boycott_sdice_and_all_mpex_businesses_racism/

Haha dear Mem of Mem's list that somehow magically I've never heard of, let me tell you a story: back a couple decades ago, this unheard of kid with little practical skills but a lot of aspirations and ambitions by the name Michael Moore latched himself to the CEO of General Motors, back then a respectable business with significant income and marketplace importance. You know, sort of like how you're trying to latch on to the boss of MPEx.

The fellow proceeded to scream his nonsense insistently, it was something to do with how plant workers that had been fired because their plant was closed (which happened because their work was not worth their pay and  their union blocked - for years - any attempts to fix the problem) should not have been fired because now they have no money which is not acceptable! And about how the residents of a town built entirely of GM salaries have a right to hate GM. And so forth.

It never went anywhere for him really, but then again twenty years ago the colleges were merely beginning to spew out the functionally illiterate by the horde. By now, a full twenty years into this process you should probably do better, a lot more superficial people around. Good luck!

+1 to the OP for making a noise about this.

Mircea has gone too far with that article, his expressed opinions are that of a sociopathic racist, and completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society.

I personally completely support the OP's call for a boycott of MPEx.

Obviously the original poster doesn't have the ability to do this himself, but perhaps you could try on your own and come up with a list of reasons to complement your list of judgements of value. You know, I think X because Y is always better than X!!!!

This post shocked me.  Then it saddened me.  Shocked me because I had assumed "mem's gambling list" was all but defunct.  Several posters have told mem that betsofbitco.in recently stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from some of their customers.  At least one provided a link.  Mem eventually showed up, apologized for being so busy lately that he can't keep the list up to date, then said he would need a link to see what this was all about (ignoring that a link had already been given).  I provided a link to the long thread in the Scam Accusation forum, but the thieves at betsofbitco.in are still listed on "mem's gambling list" as a reputable site.

Interesting. So Mem of Mem's list, are you being paid for this? Or how did you find the time to fit everything into your busy schedule? Do tell, it may be useful for other people with busy schedules.

So why is he being labeled a "revolting racist"?  Well it's clearly an attempt to label and marginalize someone that the majority disagrees with.  Calling someone a "revolting ethnocentrist" just doesn't pack the same wallop.  I'm not ignorant of the fact that there is a widespread and ongoing attempt to redefine the precise meaning of the word "racism" to encompass all kinds of viewpoints found distasteful by the majority.  I see this as an excercise in intellectual dishonesty.  The smarter people involved must understand the completely unsubtle difference between "race" and culture, but they like to use the label RACIST anyway.

Look at the hysterical nature of these quotes (emphasis mine):

<snip>

They've pulled out all the stops - hate speech, unacceptable in civilized society, psychopath/sociopath, KKK, Hitler, Nazis, hate groups, "kind of person", revolting racist.

This is interesting because it pretty much describes the normal workings of the liber[tard] press machine. This is, after all, how elections are won in the dear old US these days. The fact that a random nitwit on an obscure forum displays a full array of Cathedral garb makes one think that the barrier to entry couldn't possibly be very high, which will likely lead to fragmentation of discourse and eventual meaninglessness. Anyway.

Please note:  Before you start with all the nonsense, I have never been an owner, investor, employee nor customer of SD or MPEx.  I don't know any of the people involved.  Sadly, I am not paid to post; though, being an elitist, I feel I should be.

You probably should be. I'm going to ask about this.

People seem to think racism has no effect on the victims the actual effects are pretty horrifying. http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-my-fing-country-racist-rant-caught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html
This is pretty much the equivalent to what MPEX does.

Nice to see you're still resenting us for pointing out what miserable scammy scum you are back six months ago? A full year? I'm glad that burned. Be assured it will continue to for as long as you live.

[mem]

I See the SDice paid for trolls are busy downvoting the hell out of every comment on reddit.  
I guess we have Eriks Answer.

Wow Mem, where should I start?

First of all, there are not any "paid trolls" of SatoshiDice. You are simply trying to get a reaction out of people by making such claims. In fact, you are lying, because such people don't exist.

Sure sure Erik.

Now before we delve into your long defense winded of racist speech, Id like to point of your conigitive dissonance on fault by assosciation.

http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2012/11/20/the-full-faith-and-credit-of-wikipedia.html

In other words, Wikipedia doesn’t mind accepting donations backed by a regime that has institutionalized the beheading of women for adultery or “witchcraft,” but it won’t accept Bitcoin, because it’s not backed by such an organization. Stated differently, if the same organization which encourages the stoning of women declared its affinity for Bitcoin, then Wikipedia would gladly add it as a payment option. Fiduciary duty, after all.

Second, to the more important point of Mircea's post. This issue flared up a couple months ago when some people found that post. Then, like now, there were some people outraged over it.

Understandably.

I read it back then (not having seen it before)

OK, so we have established that you did not have prior knowledge of this ugly side.

It is inaccurate and indeed ignorant to label Mircea racist from that post's content. The fact that someone uses the N word doesn't make them racist.

The very fact that someone choses to use the N word in the offensive and derogatory terms does indeed make them a racist.
This is an interesting point you have made though Erik, I feel many many people will disagree, you and I clearly do over this point.

I shall skip the long justification of why you and this person feel it is ok.

I highly recommend everyone actually read the blog post, for while it's certainly incendiary and I think unnecessarily provocative, it is not the writing of a racist. I've seen racist writings, this is not it.

I advise all that wish to come to their own conclusion do read this as well. I firmly disagree with Erik on this matter and shall be leaving a permanent asterix against SatoshiDice.

And yet, what really bothers me here is you, Mem. For while the main moral problem with racism is in the "fault by association," I see that you are succumbing to that exact fallacy.

I again point your cognitive dissonance on fault by association citing your wikipedia rant as my example.

Code:

You are associating SatoshiDice, and myself, with "racism" simply because you believe Mircea to be racist.

You are associated, there is no escaping this fact and I chose to boycott what I perceive to be businesses (or businesses represented/run by openly racist individuals) and their associates.

you know how many real racists there are using Reddit to spout their filth??

Reddit is a fine example of what freedom of speech entails, you yourself have no problem advertising satoshidice on reddit.... hrmmm whats this more hypocrisy ?

There is REAL racism on Redditp

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Here I have to correct your obvious ignorance, there is REAL racism everywhere and only a fool would claim otherwise. You live in Dubai to escape American laws, you of all people should be intimately familiar with racism.

you are fine utilizing that platform for your purpose in order to discredit me for utilizing a platform of one person whom you allege is racist.

I was quite upset when I made that post, feeling sick to my stomach that I may have been inadvertently helping filth promote there ideals, still I stand by reddit as an indeal freedom speech platform.

Honestly, Mem, it sounds to me like you have deep insecurity about your own thoughts on race.

Uh oh, Dr Erik is going to do some armchair psychology over the internet, I'll skip it stating this - I no longer respect you or your opinions based on your chosen association with and defense of an individual I feel is an repulsive outspoken racist.

Germany is a great example of an entire nation doing this, for it is actually illegal to speak in favor of Nazism there.

So nice of you to brand a whole country there and very interesting fro, here I suffer hypocrisy myself I dislike the county you inhabit (Dubai) based on is clear racism and ongoing pseudo slavery and horrific treatment of women.

[haitispaceagency]

hey erik, has your business suffered at all because of this claim? has it plummeted it beause a guy who made a trhead on an internet forum slandered you? ha ha...hahahha. this is bloody rich.

[mem]

This post shocked me.  Then it saddened me.  Shocked me because I had assumed "mem's gambling list" was all but defunct.  Several posters have told mem that betsofbitco.in recently stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from some of their customers.  At least one provided a link.  Mem eventually showed up, apologized for being so busy lately that he can't keep the list up to date, then said he would need a link to see what this was all about (ignoring that a link had already been given).  I provided a link to the long thread in the Scam Accusation forum, but the thieves at betsofbitco.in are still listed on "mem's gambling list" as a reputable site.  Imagine my shock to learn that gambling sites CAN still be removed from the list.  The list is not in fact defunct.  Why SD should be removed is not at all clear to me, as there doesn't seem to be any reason or logic behind the decision, but it's indisputable that mem is still removing sites he considers somehow unworthy.

Cry me a river then go fuck yourself.

"Busy" = "Busy", I'll check the replies now but higher priorities have had my attention.

If it is/was a screamingly urgent matter email me on mem.namefix@gmail.com

[mem]

+1 to the OP for making a noise about this.

Mircea has gone too far with that article, his expressed opinions are that of a sociopathic racist, and completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society.

I personally completely support the OP's call for a boycott of MPEx.

Agreed.

Well I still think you'd be better spending your time starting a campaign against MPEx over SD.   When you want to chop down a tree you don't start with the branches, you go for the trunk.

Added MPEx to the topic to address this.

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.

Familiar with Freedom of Speech at all ?

People seem to think racism has no effect on the victims the actual effects are pretty horrifying. http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-my-fing-country-racist-rant-caught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html
This is pretty much the equivalent to what MPEX does.

THANK YOU, Erik is to smart to be fooled by this - i really have my doubts about his character after his defence.

[haitispaceagency]

so whats the real cause, did you lose too many dice rolls or sumtin

[MPOE-PR]

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.

Familiar with Freedom of Speech at all ?

Ahahaha this was great you disingenuous piece of shit. Keep 'em coming.

so whats the real cause, did you lose too many dice rolls or sumtin

Apparently the BFL puppet master is displeased with coinjedi getting owned after scamming the bettors in a Meni Rosenfeld reputational propping scheme (where you make a fake "counter" asset that's dysfunctional to try and crowd out the legitimate counter-assets, carries Meni Rosenfeld's name because he did it with Pirate back in the day, before pushing that entire Bitdaytrade/JROwens scam). This would be the attempt at diversion/damage control. Apparently, it failed. I wonder why.

[CasinoBit]

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.

Familiar with Freedom of Speech at all ?

Ahahaha this was great you disingenuous piece of shit. Keep 'em coming.

so whats the real cause, did you lose too many dice rolls or sumtin

Apparently the BFL puppet master is displeased with coinjedi getting owned after scamming the bettors in a Meni Rosenfeld reputational propping scheme (where you make a fake "counter" asset that's dysfunctional to try and crowd out the legitimate counter-assets, carries Meni Rosenfeld's name because he did it with Pirate back in the day, before pushing that entire Bitdaytrade/JROwens scam). This would be the attempt at diversion/damage control. Apparently, it failed. I wonder why.

I think it is a bit tasteless when the PR person of a company insults a critic of that company even if the critic is wrong, can't we all have a civil, logical discussion and whoever wins at the battle of arguments and counter-arguments will hold the credibility in the public's eyes?

I am just speculating but it seems to me that Mircea isn't really a racist even though he could have conveyed his point more gently by considering the history of racism and ethnic discrimination in the U.S. and the fact that Bitcoin is popular within the same demographic of people that will actually read him, despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations. I don't see Eriks point however that using Reddit or any other tool for that matter puts an "I support racists" flag over your head, we use various tools on a daily basis that killers also use that no sane person would ever use in the same manner.

Mircea seems to yellow press some of his posts in shock value to make people actually read them, not the most respectable practice but hey he's got his hands clean. Still this scene pops into my head when I read the title: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpCDKea7HJ4

[BitcoinFlush]

Mem, could you please put the warfare on pause for a second and add us to your gambling list?

[MPOE-PR]

I think it is a bit tasteless when the PR person of a company insults a critic of that company even if the critic is wrong, can't we all have a civil, logical discussion and whoever wins at the battle of arguments and counter-arguments will hold the credibility in the public's eyes?

That was about three months ago. You must be new.

despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations.

Wait, what?!

[CasinoBit]

I think it is a bit tasteless when the PR person of a company insults a critic of that company even if the critic is wrong, can't we all have a civil, logical discussion and whoever wins at the battle of arguments and counter-arguments will hold the credibility in the public's eyes?

That was about three months ago. You must be new.

despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations.

Wait, what?!

Way to spin it off, the idea is that some people of European or Asian descent don't really fully comprehend the negative connotation associated with the N word in the western media.

[mem]

MPOE-PR seems really unhinged person from the quotes I see popping up, do to his/her childish tantrums and ignorance I leave the character/troll on permanent ignore.

The war is over, I have all the quotes I need from Erik to ensure future discussion of this topic covers the needed facts.

I encourage all the young teeenagers and ignorant man-childern such as MPOO-ER to educate themselves further and consider being more racially sensitive not less.

Bitcoin crosses all borders, we dont need a foul mouth racist or his defender representing bitcoin unchallenged - when a bored news reporter decideds to to an expose on the racism in the bitcoin community we need threads like this to show that while  there is support, its limited to a few key individuals and companies:

* Erik Voorhees of SatoshiDice
* MPOO-ER or Turd Burglars inc'
* haitispaceagency of racist trolls r us
* MPEx the asshole of bitcoin.