Bitcoin Forum
June 27, 2019, 11:27:04 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.18.0 [Torrent] (New!)
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: BOYCOTT MPEx & SDice [RACISM]  (Read 8998 times)
mem
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 501


Herp Derp PTY LTD


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 03:31:29 AM
Last edit: May 06, 2013, 02:06:29 AM by mem
 #1

Just 1 of many foul blog posts by the owner and operator of MPEx - http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/
SDice is their biggest client by far, is aware of these blog posts and goes to great lengths to defend them.
Erik defends the use of such as racial slurs like N***** in a derogatory fashion - I vehemently disagree.

This foul individual and his business are supported and defended SDice.  
MPEx and every business associated with it is a nasty stain on bitcoins reputation and I will have nothing todo with it.

Erik I encourage you to respond, please you stop doing business with that pimple on the ass of bitcoin.

Reddit Submission: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1czjxa/boycott_sdice_and_all_mpex_businesses_racism/

edit: Erik Voorhees passionately defends the use N***** for business assosciate company MPEx, Erik is (willfully ?) ignorant of the hurt and damage using a racial label in a negative connotation, especially this word in particular with its ugly history.

1561634824
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1561634824

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1561634824
Reply with quote  #2

1561634824
Report to moderator
1561634824
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1561634824

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1561634824
Reply with quote  #2

1561634824
Report to moderator
Crypto Casino Since 2014
Level Up & Get Even More Rewards!
Daily Treasure Chest
& Much More
Roll Hunt
Rakeback
Blackjack
Jackpot
Dice
Slots
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
TradeFortress 🏕
VIP
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1176
Merit: 1023


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:10:23 AM
 #2

Boycott MPEx then, not SD. Are you going to boycott all NYSE traded corporations if Marsh Carter said something retarded?
mem
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 501


Herp Derp PTY LTD


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:23:22 AM
Last edit: April 24, 2013, 04:53:36 AM by mem
 #3

Boycott MPEx then, not SD.

No, Boycott every business that supports this asshole.

Quote
Are you going to boycott all NYSE traded corporations if Marsh Carter said something retarded?

Yes, if Marsh Carter starts making blog posts akin to what a KKK member rants then yes.

edit: Henry Ford knew building engines for the nazi's in WW2 was treason yet he did it anyway, but he wasnt stupid enough to argue it with the US President when he explicitly asked him to stop building engines for Hitler. So no, I do not support boycotting the core, I support boycotting MPEx and every client it has.

simonk83
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 798
Merit: 1000


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:28:55 AM
 #4

Is the person who posted that article on these forums?   He sounds like an utter, utter, UTTER sociopath.  And I agree that, for now, it should be MPEx being (quite rightly so) run out of the community for this, not SatoshiDice.
arepo
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 448
Merit: 250


this statement is false


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:41:05 AM
 #5

this is silly and the best way to 'punish' this guy for being so ridiculous is to not make a big deal about this at all. he didn't buy slaves, he's just using a racially charged word because he enjoys the fact that it makes people uncomfortable, probably because he has sociopathic tendencies or some superiority complex.

he's dumb. this is dumb. moving on.

this sentence has fifteen words, seventy-four letters, four commas, one hyphen, and a period.
18N9md2G1oA89kdBuiyJFrtJShuL5iDWDz
simonk83
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 798
Merit: 1000


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:45:25 AM
 #6

this is silly and the best way to 'punish' this guy for being so ridiculous is to not make a big deal about this at all. he didn't buy slaves, he's just using a racially charged word because he enjoys the fact that it makes people uncomfortable, probably because he has sociopathic tendencies or some superiority complex.

he's dumb. this is dumb. moving on.

Well sure, but do you really want someone like this being associated with Bitcoin?   If it were just some random pyscho on the forums (of which there are of course many) that'd be ignorable, but if this guy runs MPEx (which I've not had any intention of using before now, so not much has changed for me) then that's a bigger issue.   Having some dick like this running a Bitcoin exchange should not be encouraged.
mem
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 501


Herp Derp PTY LTD


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:52:27 AM
 #7

Well sure, but do you really want someone like this being associated with Bitcoin?   If it were just some random pyscho on the forums (of which there are of course many) that'd be ignorable, but if this guy runs MPEx (which I've not had any intention of using before now, so not much has changed for me) then that's a bigger issue.   Having some dick like this running a Bitcoin exchange should not be encouraged.

+1

This is the core issue here, bitcoins most well known business is run on top of a shitty bitcoin exchange operated by an outspoken racist. 
This is not the usual subtle brand of racism we are all used to, this guy takes time to write up long hate speeches justifying his way of thinking.

Erik either did not bother to do his due diligence when doing the IPO or has no problems with the racism MPEx promotes.

simonk83
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 798
Merit: 1000


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 04:57:31 AM
 #8

Well sure, but do you really want someone like this being associated with Bitcoin?   If it were just some random pyscho on the forums (of which there are of course many) that'd be ignorable, but if this guy runs MPEx (which I've not had any intention of using before now, so not much has changed for me) then that's a bigger issue.   Having some dick like this running a Bitcoin exchange should not be encouraged.

+1

This is the core issue here, bitcoins most well known business is run on top of a shitty bitcoin exchange operated by an outspoken racist. 
This is not the usual subtle brand of racism we are all used to, this guy takes time to write up long hate speeches justifying his way of thinking.

Erik either did not bother to do his due diligence when doing the IPO or has no problems with the racism MPEx promotes.


Well I still think you'd be better spending your time starting a campaign against MPEx over SD.   When you want to chop down a tree you don't start with the branches, you go for the trunk.
Daily Anarchist
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 615
Merit: 500



View Profile WWW
April 24, 2013, 04:59:03 AM
 #9

Wow. Some random dude I don't know used the "n" word.

Wake me when he starts initiating violence against peaceful people.

Until then, I've got bigger fish to fry... like the state.

Moving on with my life now.

Discover anarcho-capitalism today!
mem
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 501


Herp Derp PTY LTD


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 05:11:17 AM
 #10

Well I still think you'd be better spending your time starting a campaign against MPEx over SD.   When you want to chop down a tree you don't start with the branches, you go for the trunk.

Until SDice decided to use MPEx it was an insignificant little nothing run by an angry racist,  this is why I include SDice (that and they are their biggest customer).

Respectable businesses and Sponsors are known to drop clients, mascots and spokespersons when ugly shit like this rears its head, yet Erik is strangely quiet. 
MPEx did not suddenly become a revolting racist after SDice gave them their endorsement, they have been this way the entire time (read his other blog posts if you have the stomach).

mem
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 501


Herp Derp PTY LTD


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 06:47:27 AM
 #11

I See the SDice paid for trolls are busy downvoting the hell out of every comment on reddit. 
I guess we have Eriks Answer.

strello
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 234
Merit: 100



View Profile
April 24, 2013, 09:03:08 AM
 #12

+1 to the OP for making a noise about this.

Mircea has gone too far with that article, his expressed opinions are that of a sociopathic racist, and completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society.

I personally completely support the OP's call for a boycott of MPEx.

It is futile to speak of liberty as long as economic slavery exists.

My GPG key
Zaih
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 504
Merit: 500


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 09:27:49 AM
 #13

Seems unreasonable IMHO.

Meh
CasinoBit
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 364
Merit: 250



View Profile
April 24, 2013, 11:02:20 AM
Last edit: April 24, 2013, 06:14:36 PM by CasinoBit
 #14

KGambler
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 236
Merit: 100


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 01:46:02 PM
Last edit: April 24, 2013, 02:01:12 PM by KGambler
 #15

This post shocked me.  Then it saddened me.  Shocked me because I had assumed "mem's gambling list" was all but defunct.  Several posters have told mem that betsofbitco.in recently stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from some of their customers.  At least one provided a link.  Mem eventually showed up, apologized for being so busy lately that he can't keep the list up to date, then said he would need a link to see what this was all about (ignoring that a link had already been given).  I provided a link to the long thread in the Scam Accusation forum, but the thieves at betsofbitco.in are still listed on "mem's gambling list" as a reputable site.  Imagine my shock to learn that gambling sites CAN still be removed from the list.  The list is not in fact defunct.  Why SD should be removed is not at all clear to me, as there doesn't seem to be any reason or logic behind the decision, but it's indisputable that mem is still removing sites he considers somehow unworthy.

I am saddened to see that the thought police are out in force, and to be reminded once again that most people are such sheep.  I read through what was linked and did not see a single racist thought.  Strangely, I did see anti-racist opinions being expressed.  Racism refers to a belief that a "race" is genetically inferior/superior to another.  The blog linked explicitly stated that there is no reason to believe that any "race" (or fenotype) is genetically superior to any other.

If you want to say he is ethnocentric, or prejudiced, I could definitely understand that.  That would actually make sense.  He doesn't deny that he is elitist.  Somebody called him a "dick", which is fine.  If you wanted to claim he engages in discrimination, you might even be able to convince me.  But the blog post linked is explicitly anti-racist.

So why is he being labeled a "revolting racist"?  Well it's clearly an attempt to label and marginalize someone that the majority disagrees with.  Calling someone a "revolting ethnocentrist" just doesn't pack the same wallop.  I'm not ignorant of the fact that there is a widespread and ongoing attempt to redefine the precise meaning of the word "racism" to encompass all kinds of viewpoints found distasteful by the majority.  I see this as an excercise in intellectual dishonesty.  The smarter people involved must understand the completely unsubtle difference between "race" and culture, but they like to use the label RACIST anyway.

Look at the hysterical nature of these quotes (emphasis mine):

Quote
This is the kind of person they chose to do business with.
  
No excuses, either remove yourself from that horrible business or be forever blacklisted on my list as a supporters of a hate group.

MPEx and every business associated with it is a nasty stain on bitcoins reputation and I will have nothing todo with it.

Erik I encourage you to respond but my stance will not change, either you stop doing business with that pimple on the ass of bitcoin or be branded a racist.


Quote
Yes, if Marsh Carter starts making blog posts akin to what a KKK member rants then yes.

edit: Henry Ford knew building engines for the nazi's in WW2 was treason yet he did it anyway, but he wasnt stupid enough to argue it with the US President when he explicitly asked him to stop building engines for Hitler. So no, I do not support boycotting the core, I support boycotting MPEx and every client it has.


Quote
Is the person who posted that article on these forums?   He sounds like an utter, utter, UTTER sociopath.  And I agree that, for now, it should be MPEx being (quite rightly so) run out of the community for this, not SatoshiDice.


Quote
Well sure, but do you really want someone like this being associated with Bitcoin?   If it were just some random pyscho on the forums (of which there are of course many) that'd be ignorable, but if this guy runs MPEx (which I've not had any intention of using before now, so not much has changed for me) then that's a bigger issue.   Having some dick like this running a Bitcoin exchange should not be encouraged.

Quote

+1

This is the core issue here, bitcoins most well known business is run on top of a shitty bitcoin exchange operated by an outspoken racist.  This is not the usual subtle brand of racism we are all used to, this guy takes time to write up long hate speeches justifying his way of thinking.

Erik either did not bother to do his due diligence when doing the IPO or has no problems with the racism MPEx promotes.


Quote
Until SDice decided to use MPEx it was an insignificant little nothing run by an angry racist,  this is why I include SDice (that and they are their biggest customer).

Respectable businesses and Sponsors are known to drop clients, mascots and spokespersons when ugly shit like this rears its head, yet Erik is strangely quiet.  
MPEx did not suddenly become a revolting racist after SDice gave them their endorsement, they have been this way the entire time (read his other blog posts if you have the stomach).

Quote
+1 to the OP for making a noise about this.

Mircea has gone too far with that article, his expressed opinions are that of a sociopathic racist, and completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society.

I personally completely support the OP's call for a boycott of MPEx.


They've pulled out all the stops - hate speech, unacceptable in civilized society, psychopath/sociopath, KKK, Hitler, Nazis, hate groups, "kind of person", revolting racist.  Again, calling his viewpoints ethnocentric just wouldn't have the same power to marginalize.  They need the labels to do that, even if the labels have no basis in reality.  Take "psychopath" for example...  Let's pretend that there actually is something called a "psychopath", that "mental disorders" do not largely depend on the prevailing culture of the time and place these classifications are invented out of whole cloth...  Look at the current defition in the DSM.  What has this guy done that would lead you believe he is a "psychopath"?

Mem even goes so far as to threaten that the operator of SD will be "branded a racist" if he does not do exactly as he is told.  And that he will be "blacklisted" as a "supporter of a hate group".  He is not making any bones about the fact that he intends to libel and marginalize anyone who doesn't fall into line.  I am guessing I will get the same treatment.

This all reminds me of the sheep from Animal Farm.  They were too stupid to even understand the entire ideology so they were just taught the maxim "Four legs good, two legs bad".  Anytime an animal tried to disagree with the pigs in charge, they would get shouted down by a tremendous bleating of "FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD".  That's what I see here.



Please note:  Before you start with all the nonsense, I have never been an owner, investor, employee nor customer of SD or MPEx.  I don't know any of the people involved.  Sadly, I am not paid to post; though, being an elitist, I feel I should be.
haitispaceagency
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 252
Merit: 250


Coinlancer.io ICO | Oct 14th


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 02:21:35 PM
 #16

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.

         ▄████▄
          ██  ██
 ▄▄▄▄     ▀████▀     ▄▄▄▄
██▀▀██     ▄▄▄▄     ██▀▀██
██▄▄███▄▄██▀▀▀▀██▄▄███▄▄██
 ▀▀▀▀ ▀██▀▄████ ▀██▀ ▀▀▀▀
      ██ ██     ██
 ▄▄▄▄  ██▄▀████ ▄██  ▄▄▄▄
██▀▀██  ▀██▄▄▄▄██▀  ██▀▀██
██▄▄██     ▀██▀     ██▄▄██
 ▀▀▀▀     ▄████▄     ▀▀▀▀
          ██  ██
         ▀████▀
Coinlancer
         ▄▄████████▄▄
      ▄▄████████████████▄▄
    ▄█████████████████████▄
   ▄████████████████████████▄
  ████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████▄
████████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
▀█████████████████████████████▀
  █████████████████████████
  ▀███████████████████████▀
   ▀█████████████████████▀
      ▀▀████████████████▀▀
          ▀▀████████▀▀
CL
WHITEPAPER         ANN THREAD
Coinlancer
FACEBOOK     TWITTER     MEDIUM     TELEGRAM
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
!!
KGambler
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 236
Merit: 100


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 02:22:43 PM
 #17

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.


Actually, those are all paid shills.
haitispaceagency
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 252
Merit: 250


Coinlancer.io ICO | Oct 14th


View Profile
April 24, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
 #18

selling prefabbed tinfoil hats for bitcoins. address in signature.

         ▄████▄
          ██  ██
 ▄▄▄▄     ▀████▀     ▄▄▄▄
██▀▀██     ▄▄▄▄     ██▀▀██
██▄▄███▄▄██▀▀▀▀██▄▄███▄▄██
 ▀▀▀▀ ▀██▀▄████ ▀██▀ ▀▀▀▀
      ██ ██     ██
 ▄▄▄▄  ██▄▀████ ▄██  ▄▄▄▄
██▀▀██  ▀██▄▄▄▄██▀  ██▀▀██
██▄▄██     ▀██▀     ██▄▄██
 ▀▀▀▀     ▄████▄     ▀▀▀▀
          ██  ██
         ▀████▀
Coinlancer
         ▄▄████████▄▄
      ▄▄████████████████▄▄
    ▄█████████████████████▄
   ▄████████████████████████▄
  ████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████▄
████████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
████████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
▀█████████████████████████████▀
  █████████████████████████
  ▀███████████████████████▀
   ▀█████████████████████▀
      ▀▀████████████████▀▀
          ▀▀████████▀▀
CL
WHITEPAPER         ANN THREAD
Coinlancer
FACEBOOK     TWITTER     MEDIUM     TELEGRAM
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
!!
Bitcoin Oz
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 686
Merit: 500


Wat


View Profile WWW
April 24, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
 #19

People seem to think racism has no effect on the victims the actual effects are pretty horrifying. http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-my-fing-country-racist-rant-caught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html
This is pretty much the equivalent to what MPEX does.

evoorhees
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 994
Merit: 1003


Democracy is the original 51% attack


View Profile
April 25, 2013, 12:47:53 AM
Last edit: April 25, 2013, 01:05:07 AM by evoorhees
 #20

I See the SDice paid for trolls are busy downvoting the hell out of every comment on reddit.  
I guess we have Eriks Answer.

Wow Mem, where should I start?

First of all, there are not any "paid trolls" of SatoshiDice. You are simply trying to get a reaction out of people by making such claims. In fact, you are lying, because such people don't exist.

Second, to the more important point of Mircea's post. This issue flared up a couple months ago when some people found that post. Then, like now, there were some people outraged over it. I read it back then (not having seen it before), and re-read it just now, and both times came away with the following opinion: It is inaccurate and indeed ignorant to label Mircea racist from that post's content. The fact that someone uses the N word doesn't make them racist. A racist is someone who believes certain races are inherently better or more worthy than others. Let me quote a very important point, made in that blog post [bold emphasis added]:

Quote
Her : I mean, are you using the word to prove that it’s just a word and people should get over it, or are you actually prejudiced against black people and you’ve adopted that word to describe them unilaterally? Sometimes I think I can tell it’s the former. When you say things like that, though, I’m not sure.
[Mircea]: Looky. Black people are something like half a billion individuals now living, and many trillions already deceased. It’s a fenotype resulting from the interplay of certain genes.

Her : Right.
[Mircea]: I do not believe that there’s a genetic basis for merit, in humans, unless you mean very specifically defined merit, such as “can run longer” (blacks can), “can swim better” (blacks can’t), “can take sun” (blacks can) etc.


That statement indicates quite clearly that Mircea is not a racist, as he does not believe one's genes are a basis for merit.

And further, more nuanced,

Quote
It is unfortunate but it is also true that through most of the history of the people with this fenotype, their methods of social organisation failed, their civilisational output was nil and their cultural output a shade above that... It is improper to link this ample historical failure to any individual of the recognisable fenotype.

He is saying that blacks tended not to do so well historically (an arguable historical observation), but that one should not link any individual of this race with this historical failure. Stated differently, a black individual today shouldn't be linked to that failure merely due to his skin color. The skin color one is born into is irrelevant, and people should be considered on an individual basis. Not only is this non-racist, but is the root of what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was talking about, "...judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

I highly recommend everyone actually read the blog post, for while it's certainly incendiary and I think unnecessarily provocative, it is not the writing of a racist. I've seen racist writings, this is not it.

And yet, what really bothers me here is you, Mem. For while the main moral problem with racism is in the "fault by association," I see that you are succumbing to that exact fallacy. You are associating SatoshiDice, and myself, with "racism" simply because you believe Mircea to be racist.  And your hipocrisy is outlandish here, for you use the Reddit platform to post this, yet you know how many real racists there are using Reddit to spout their filth?? There is REAL racism on Reddit, yet you are fine utilizing that platform for your purpose in order to discredit me for utilizing a platform of one person whom you allege is racist. Further, your entire post is incendiary, worded specifically to get a rise out of people... and this is the exact same thing Mircea did with the N word, for which you fault him (and me by association).

Honestly, Mem, it sounds to me like you have deep insecurity about your own thoughts on race. For I find many people who harbor deep seeded racist notions overcompensate by engaging in obnoxious racism policing. Germany is a great example of an entire nation doing this, for it is actually illegal to speak in favor of Nazism there.

Again, I recommend everyone read Mircea's post, slowly and carefully, and come to your own conclusions. Mem, feel free to remove SD from your list. I'm not sure I want it to be associated with witch hunters.
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!