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May 19, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
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Here is an easy way to make money if you don't know too much about coins.

1) Find a newer exchange that doesn't have a lot of people.

2) Go to coinmarketcap and open that exchange's page e.g. https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/cryptopia/

3) Make sure you have BTC selected as the currency.

4) Go down the list from high volume to low volume and find a coin that trades at substantially different prices on two exchanges. For example buy/sell 0.0001/0/0002 on one exchange and 0003/0.0004 on another.

5) Look at the histories of that coin on both exchanges and decide if confirmation times allow you to be pretty sure of making money.

6) Look at depth on both exchanges and make sure it looks adequate in both directions.

7) Never risk more than you can afford or need to risk. On low volume coins traded on obscure exchanges you could walk into a trap so avoid exchanges known for setting people up, e.g. exchanges that list overtly bad coins.

Arbitrage is still wide open in crypto and a good way to learn about coins, since you should research a coin before you arbitrage it. Anybody could have made some program to arbitrage all coins across exchanges, but I guess the experts are leaving low fruit for new people.

Arbitrage provides a service, it lowers prices and keeps predatory trading in check, and can also be profitable.
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May 20, 2017, 03:33:11 AM
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here is the big problem with this strategy of yours:
1) Find a newer exchange that doesn't have a lot of people.

this means when the exchange doesn't have enough people, it doesn't have enough volume. in cryptopia that you mentioned the minimum order that you can make is as small as 500 satoshi and these two means the orderbook is filled with small orders, sometimes it is so small that it can not even cover the transaction fees. and most of the time the profit is so small it doesn't worth the time and risk to even try this.

and worst part is that many of these small exchanges, for example Yobit are scam. or their wallets are empty, out of work, ...
and I have tried this, you go buy some altcoin there and when you want to withdraw you hit a brick wall. your funds will be blocked in limbo because you can not cancel the withdrawal and support doesn't reply and the price keeps falling on both places so when your withdrawal is finally canceled you sell at the same place at a much lower price and lose big time.

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May 20, 2017, 04:41:26 AM
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Here is an easy way to make money if you don't know too much about coins.

1) Find a newer exchange that doesn't have a lot of people.

2) Go to coinmarketcap and open that exchange's page e.g. https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/cryptopia/

3) Make sure you have BTC selected as the currency.

4) Go down the list from high volume to low volume and find a coin that trades at substantially different prices on two exchanges. For example buy/sell 0.0001/0/0002 on one exchange and 0003/0.0004 on another.

5) Look at the histories of that coin on both exchanges and decide if confirmation times allow you to be pretty sure of making money.

6) Look at depth on both exchanges and make sure it looks adequate in both directions.

7) Never risk more than you can afford or need to risk. On low volume coins traded on obscure exchanges you could walk into a trap so avoid exchanges known for setting people up, e.g. exchanges that list overtly bad coins.

Arbitrage is still wide open in crypto and a good way to learn about coins, since you should research a coin before you arbitrage it. Anybody could have made some program to arbitrage all coins across exchanges, but I guess the experts are leaving low fruit for new people.

Arbitrage provides a service, it lowers prices and keeps predatory trading in check, and can also be profitable.
There is no doubt that arbitrage is one of the best source of fast income as of now because there is a lot of exchangers available and it is easy to make money by buying cheaper and selling it for a higher price on another exchanger. Arbitrage is so easy because you just need to transfer coin to another exchanger and you can make money.

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May 20, 2017, 10:58:50 AM
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Arbitrage trading is one of the best way to earn, it got small profit but it is safe but there are so many things that you need to know before try arbitrage trading, eventhough there are a lot of exchanger that have different prices but we also need to consider the transaction time and whether anyone is going to buy our bid, so it is not easy to do arbitrage trading


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May 20, 2017, 11:15:10 AM
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I agree with the post above, you should take a look with confirmation time and the price gap between each exchange to avoid any loss happened. Because if you just blindly sent your address especially to new exchanges you might ended to lose.

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May 20, 2017, 05:16:38 PM
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In arbitrage there are a lot of thing to mention. In my opinion only a bot can do this job.
I'm thinking to develop a java bot to do arbitrage.
Do you think is a good idea?
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May 20, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
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Bots may not be able to do the job in a long- terms as most bots loses after getting some few profits. Arbitrages is one of the best way to earn bitcoin but don't  jump into it without adequate know on how it works and pre idea on the fees charge by your two exchangers as this determine if you will make profit or not.
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I have never tried. And i think i will never try. Arbitrage is riskier than trade i think. just buy a cheap and trusted coin after some little analysis and research, wait a little bit and sell. That's all. I don't want to buy a coin just because the prize is different between two different exchange. How do you know how much time the transaction will take?
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Already tried it so many times and here is what I got from it:
By the time my deposit was confirmed some body else sold their coins and the buy wall was gone and I just rushed into it and paid the fees for no reason.
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By the time I was able to deposit and sell with the desirable price I found out that Bitcoin price has changed in a way that the value in dollar didn't actually change and I thought I earned a profit but I really didn't.

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May 20, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
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In arbitrage there are a lot of thing to mention. In my opinion only a bot can do this job.
I'm thinking to develop a java bot to do arbitrage.
Do you think is a good idea?
Yes, but it won't be easy to fully automate it due to how irritating exchanges can be with fees, deposits and withdrawals, etc.  You also want to stay well away from the super shady exchanges like YoBit or you might lose all your coins soon enough.

Ideally you'd have a human touch and it would be more like an arbitrage "software" which tells you exactly what to do.

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It is well and safe to play the Arbitrage game in a bull market,but everything changes when it is a bear market,the possibility of making a profit will end up in a disaster if the market crashes and even if you are doing arbitrage never risk on doing it with low volume coins and shaddy exchanges as it will cost you in the end.

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@nfcmgjh , it is a really good method and some of the day traders are doing these but with the transaction delays and the time taken while transferring  bitcoin is hurting these big time and i have shifted my focus on ETH trading for faster confirmations even then you have a really small window of opportunity to trade with ETH and more over i did have big delays with POLO and liqui recently as it took a couple of days to settle my coins with POLO and ended up in a huge loss and still i am waiting for a solution from liqui even after 36 hours.

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May 21, 2017, 03:45:49 AM
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Arbitrage is not practical anymore unless you have a lot of Bitcoins deposited in many exchanges. If you really want to
do arbitrage as a strategy it would be better to have a partner from the other exchange and you split the profit.

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May 21, 2017, 04:43:06 AM
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for new people, definitely not. it is a very bad idea for them to even want to try this. it is best if they start with simple way of trading, the regular way of buying low and selling high without any fuss.

arbitrage at the very least needs a strong bot which makes things faster and more accurate. specially for the calculations. and it is not enough profit but a lot of loss and that doesn't make anyone want to try that as a serious way of making money.

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May 21, 2017, 05:10:01 AM
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After thinking about arbitrage trading for half an hour I just realized that when you try to buy or sell a coin it's better to check other exchanges first to make sure you are not paying or getting more or less.

Think about it, you are basically profiting from other people's ignorance, if they knew that they are buying something which is cheaper some where else they would have never paid a penny extra.

Oh wait, this is crypto and no one cares.
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May 21, 2017, 05:35:19 AM
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As for me, there is a simple management only in some fraudulent project. There is a saying that free cheese is only in a mousetrap, and therefore I'm not trying to light money. Of course, there is a tempting offer, and everyone tries to try to earn some money on the easy. But it always turns around or is deceived or lost.
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May 21, 2017, 02:33:16 PM
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Arbitrage is not practical anymore unless you have a lot of Bitcoins deposited in many exchanges.
Still it cannot help for continuously availing arbitrage profits as we need to move funds back to the starting point so that we can continue until prices across exchanges converge.

If you really want to do arbitrage as a strategy it would be better to have a partner from the other exchange and you split the profit.
This idea is good but we need to believe on the partner to keep his words all the times and with this idea too we cannot continue arbitrage as long as prices trades in gap. After some particular point, we need to move funds. But both of your ideas guarantee making use of price gap at least for one time.
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May 21, 2017, 10:50:48 PM
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I have always thought that arbitrage is usually a smart way to make money in several businesses (especially in betting), but I am not so sure it's so suitable in the altcoin market. Commissions, sudden pumps and dumps, processing time of transactions, etc, etc... I see a bit hard to make consistent benefits from arbitrage here.
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if you consider an initial investment into coin as a 'fuel' of transaction, arbitrage should give the result of no change in owned asset but with + equation of FIAT.

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May 22, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
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as a beginner you should be trying to learn the basic stuff first, then if you wanted you can move up to more advanced matters.
what you are suggesting is like telling someone who can not drive to go participate in a drag race! obviously you need to learn how to drive first, then drive for a while around at slow speed then speed things up.

if you jump in trying to do Arbitrage trading no matter how much you think you can analyze and see all the numbers OP listed through, in action you will hit a brick wall and you will feel a need for a strong bot that automates all of it for you.

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