The Barry Silbert segwit2x agreement with >80% miner support.

[European Central Bank]

Imagine that, the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company has better things to do than personally read through the trivial software change proposals of one random protocol client; who'da thunk it.  

uh huh.

so it's being accommodated by multiple wallets, on the radar of exchanges like bitfinex, talked about by core developers.

yep. that's certainly an insignificant blip.

[chek2fire]

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/868157561488367616

so jihan wu has only today bothered to find out about bip148. this sure is a very relaxed guy when it comes to staying informed.

nice. In 6 months he will read and how segwit works

[The One]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

[chek2fire]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

Vertcoin has prove that changing pow means nothing. I prefer how pow game theory works right now in bitcoin.

[mindrust]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

No son, it is you who don't understand. When the PoW algo changes, their support will become meaningless, because they will be out of business and the whole game will be restarting from the ground zero. (except for the lucky gpu rig owners)

[classicsucks]

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/868157561488367616

so jihan wu has only today bothered to find out about bip148. this sure is a very relaxed guy when it comes to staying informed.

nice. In 6 months he will read and how segwit works

Alternately, and imminently more likely, you'll be reading about how Segwit "could've worked" in six months...

[chek2fire]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

No son, it is you who don't understand. When the PoW algo changes, their support will become meaningless, because they will be out of business and the whole game will be restarting from the ground zero. (except for the lucky gpu rig owners)

he will be out of bissuness and someone else in the future will take his place. Changing the pow only to remove one miner is like a socialist government action and has no place to ancap, anarchist bitcoin system.
Bitcoin system must balance itself even with malicious miners. It has the utilities to do it. price drops etc.

[DooMAD]

you are having nightmares when you hear UASF and PoW change or anything which is going to make your hardware useless (or your precious ASICBOOST) but you should understand, this is for your own good, for all miners out there.

Okay, but if we're being realistic for just a moment, UASF has got a long way to go before it comes close to being a viable option.  



Nodes expressing support are around the ~750 mark, which is only slightly higher than the current number of BU nodes, i.e. not that many in the grand scheme of things.  You also have to consider what proportion of those signalling UASF only want SegWit, or whether they also agree with a change of algorithm.  And lastly, some developers don't think UASF is a good idea.

UASF works if a sufficient number of participants are on board.  Maybe save the talking down at people until you're a little bit closer to that distant goal.

[European Central Bank]

Okay, but if we're being realistic for just a moment, UASF has got a long way to go before it comes close to being a viable option.  

the majority of those nodes will be dreamers spending their pocket money. they don't count for anything. it'll need some publicly declared heavyweights to actually go places.

[mindrust]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

No son, it is you who don't understand. When the PoW algo changes, their support will become meaningless, because they will be out of business and the whole game will be restarting from the ground zero. (except for the lucky gpu rig owners)

he will be out of bissuness and someone else in the future will take his place. Changing the pow only to remove one miner is like a socialist government action and has no place to ancap, anarchist bitcoin system.
Bitcoin system must balance itself even with malicious miners. It has the utilities to do it. price drops etc.

Bitmain owns the patents of ASICBOOST and they will do whatever it takes to protect their investments, even if leads to miner centralization. Changing the PoW algo will simply prevent that happening and home mining will be available to everyone again. It is that simple.

Check this out: https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/868157561488367616

Pathetic.

[ImHash]

... jihan wu has only today bothered to find out about bip148. this sure is a very relaxed guy when it comes to staying informed.

Imagine that, the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company has better things to do than personally read through the trivial software change proposals of one random protocol client; who'da thunk it.  

You could also imagine where and how he'd become the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company, by not reading anything or caring for end users I assume. it was so random that I suspect they draw a number from random.org.

[ComputerGenie]

Imagine that, the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company has better things to do than personally read through the trivial software change proposals of one random protocol client; who'da thunk it.  

You could also imagine where and how he'd become the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company, by not reading anything or caring for end users I assume. it was so random that I suspect they draw a number from random.org.

• At it's center, Bitcoin is a protocol (a method of doing something),
• Core is merely one client for Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• There are clients for Bitcoin that aren't Core (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• Core devs don't actually control Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• There are an infinite number of changes that can be made to/for Bitcoin that don't involve Core (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• If everyone in the world stopped giving a shit about Core, Bicoin would still go on as is (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• Unless we all allow Core to do so, Core BIPs don't control Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol), and
• Most CEOs (chief executive officers) hire CTOs (chief technology officers) to read technical documents.

You do get that...right?

Did I mention that Bitcoin is a protocol?

[The One]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

No son, it is you who don't understand. When the PoW algo changes, their support will become meaningless, because they will be out of business and the whole game will be restarting from the ground zero. (except for the lucky gpu rig owners)

Changing POW without miners/workers support is a very bad idea. You will get a hardfork and who is going to mine the new chain without hashing power when difficulty is so high. Are you going to reset the difficulty to 1 ?

[Gyrsur]

Imagine that, the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company has better things to do than personally read through the trivial software change proposals of one random protocol client; who'da thunk it.  

You could also imagine where and how he'd become the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company, by not reading anything or caring for end users I assume. it was so random that I suspect they draw a number from random.org.

Did I mention that Bitcoin is a protocol?

wrong and true! yes Bitcoin is a protocol but the documentation of the protocol was/is incomplete and was completely missing at the beginning. Nakamoto chose to build a reference implementation of the protocol. And Core is the maintainer of this reference implementation.

[The One]

Imagine that, the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company has better things to do than personally read through the trivial software change proposals of one random protocol client; who'da thunk it.  

You could also imagine where and how he'd become the CEO of a billion dollar hardware company, by not reading anything or caring for end users I assume. it was so random that I suspect they draw a number from random.org.

• At it's center, Bitcoin is a protocol (a method of doing something),
• Core is merely one client for Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• There are clients for Bitcoin that aren't Core (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• Core devs don't actually control Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• There are an infinite number of changes that can be made to/for Bitcoin that don't involve Core (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• If everyone in the world stopped giving a shit about Core, Bicoin would still go on as is (because Bitcoin is a protocol),
• Unless we all allow Core to do so, Core BIPs don't control Bitcoin (because Bitcoin is a protocol), and
• Most CEOs (chief executive officers) hire CTOs (chief technology officers) to read technical documents.

You do get that...right?

Did I mention that Bitcoin is a protocol?

Is that a new song?

♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ La la la la la........la ♪
♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
♪ La la la la la........la ♪

[ComputerGenie]

...Nakamoto chose to build a reference implementation of the protocol...

Any actual proof of that would also be actual proof of his identity.

...And Core is the maintainer of this reference implementation.

Because the community, at large, allows them to be; it's not because they have any authority.  

...Is that a new song?

♪ Bitcoin is a protocol ♪
...

With as many people that don't understand hardware vs software, I'm thinking that it should be if it isn't.  

[jbreher]

Same old mistake everyone keeps making. Variance. Exactly the same pools are signalling/flagging/fapping, whatever you want to call it, that have been for months now.

Variance? The one week figure has significant variance? Really?

Why not take another look right now and see for yourself?

One-week variance dropped from 42.1% to 41.3. Insignificant change confirmed.

Correct and it's been sitting at 38-41% for ages. You showed the pic showing 48% daily rate making it look like it was climbing. The daily rate has even peaked over 50% in the past.

Let's revisit where this branch started, shall we?

BU ... It's totally irrelevant to this next round of clashes.

As the data shows, it has the largest signaling support. Ergo, it is quite central to the ongoing debates.

[25hashcoin]

So I heard code was being worked on for this proposal. Great news.

[jbreher]

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/868157561488367616

so jihan wu has only today bothered to find out about bip148. this sure is a very relaxed guy when it comes to staying informed.

Yeah, but it doesn't take in-depth research to discern the most likely outcome.

https://twitter.com/Egon_01/status/868162037142224896

[jbreher]

But this is already the case. ... and some thick useless wall o' text.

We know that.

That's why we propose not UASF only but UASF + PoW change, what did you think... Current situation with the miners is problematic. Their power levels need to be re-adjusted.

Changing the POW.... at your own peril. You do not understand. You think there are 10 to 20 miners. Nope. A pool may have 1k to 30k workers (also miners) and do you think all these workers are going to support dippy twats from making their mining equipment useless.

No son, it is you who don't understand. When the PoW algo changes, their support will become meaningless, because they will be out of business and the whole game will be restarting from the ground zero. (except for the lucky gpu rig owners)

No son, it is you who does not understand. When the PoW algo changes, those of us using Bitcoin won't even notice your insignificant blockchain fork.