Primalbase - Distributed Workspace for Tech Community

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Primalbase August Report
https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-august-report-b1fd6a406aac

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[Primal Base]

Primalbase is also available on tidex.

For me waves dex has been quite reliable. And it's finally out of beta.....and since Primalbase was issued on the waves blockchain, people can even now use their nano ledger s to hold their pbt and trade.

Hey guys, I know you are focus with the development of the project, but how about the exchange/s.
I say this because I saw that there is no volume in the current exchanges anymore, do we have plan on applying to get listed in big exchange in the future?

Thanks for your interest in the project. We cannot comment on exchanges at this time. We have a long-term vision with this project based on utility, not speculation. That being said, we do expect the overall value of the token to rise over time as we open more offices and expand the ecosystem.

At this point I would have to slightly disagree, because despite the numbers of opened office, if there are not enough exchange service to support the project and made it reachable by the community, there would be an impaired development. And we have to face the truth that wavesdex is far from adequate to help appealing community to trade PBT.

It totally depends on your goals. If your main goal is simply to achieve a higher price of the token, I could see why you would focus on exchanges and liquidity. However, if your main goal is long-term utility then it shouldn't matter what exchanges the token is on right now. Exchanges don't drive utility demand........they just provide a platform for people to speculate.  Primalbase wants to build something real driven by real world demand. This takes a lot of time, especially in the field of real estate.

Forgive the delay on replying this topic, I somehow missed this post when I made my previous reply about otc.

I can see your point about exchanges doesn't drive demand in case of utility-purpose. But, I am not talking about several exchanges at once to help price speculation, I am talking about having one (or maybe two if necessary) that works well, hence the comparison to very-poor wavesdex.

Imagine a scenario where you have 10 buildings and well known as a rent an office service, and crypto citizen is interested to try yours, but the only way to achieve them are from a dex that needs certain percentage of luck to be working properly. There will always be a fiat method, but that will renders the purpose of cryptocurrency to as close as useless feature.

[lofegs]

Primalbase August Report
https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-august-report-b1fd6a406aac

I took a look. And even they say they will open the promised 5 offices by the end of 2018, it doesn't seem possible to me with this pace.
Even London is still under contruction.

[Primal Base]

Primalbase August Report
https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-august-report-b1fd6a406aac

I took a look. And even they say they will open the promised 5 offices by the end of 2018, it doesn't seem possible to me with this pace.
Even London is still under contruction.

They said they are still on pace for it.

Amsterdam: check
Berlin: check
London: almost check
NY: final negotiations
Singapore: most unknown

How is that not doable?

[tuansemazi]

I'm a bit worried about amount of tokens as after ICO they won't ever create more. But it is also a good option since the number of tokens will probably be close to the number of possible rented offices, but if this service becomes popular there will be a limited number of people that will be able to use it or maybe they will sell or "borrow" these coins to others after they use it. Therefore the money will constantly flow and tokens will switch user creating a market.

[Primal Base]

I'm a bit worried about amount of tokens as after ICO they won't ever create more. But it is also a good option since the number of tokens will probably be close to the number of possible rented offices, but if this service becomes popular there will be a limited number of people that will be able to use it or maybe they will sell or "borrow" these coins to others after they use it. Therefore the money will constantly flow and tokens will switch user creating a market.

Nothing to worry about at the moment.  How much is one token? $3k? And it is good to use for life.

Wework hot desks are usually $300/month or so. That's $3600 over one year.

[holydarkness]

Primalbase is also available on tidex.

For me waves dex has been quite reliable. And it's finally out of beta.....and since Primalbase was issued on the waves blockchain, people can even now use their nano ledger s to hold their pbt and trade.

Forgive my blatant opinion, but I personally think such exchange is still not adequate to accommodate a project with vision as big as primalbase. Analogically, in my opinion, it'll be like having BlackBerry to be available only on street-corner store. Everybody around the world could have access to it if they want to trouble themselves enough, but it's really inconvenient compared to if the device is available on Walmart

[Apened]

Primalbase is also available on tidex.

For me waves dex has been quite reliable. And it's finally out of beta.....and since Primalbase was issued on the waves blockchain, people can even now use their nano ledger s to hold their pbt and trade.

Forgive my blatant opinion, but I personally think such exchange is still not adequate to accommodate a project with vision as big as primalbase. Analogically, in my opinion, it'll be like having BlackBerry to be available only on street-corner store. Everybody around the world could have access to it if they want to trouble themselves enough, but it's really inconvenient compared to if the device is available on Walmart

I exactly like what you've said but it was been to long enough that they doesn't care for its investors. If they do they will update us and make some good deals along with the market. Now i think that they are being selfish and enjoying the money that they raise without having much use out of their own wallets.

[holydarkness]

Primalbase is also available on tidex.

For me waves dex has been quite reliable. And it's finally out of beta.....and since Primalbase was issued on the waves blockchain, people can even now use their nano ledger s to hold their pbt and trade.

Forgive my blatant opinion, but I personally think such exchange is still not adequate to accommodate a project with vision as big as primalbase. Analogically, in my opinion, it'll be like having BlackBerry to be available only on street-corner store. Everybody around the world could have access to it if they want to trouble themselves enough, but it's really inconvenient compared to if the device is available on Walmart

I exactly like what you've said but it was been to long enough that they doesn't care for its investors. If they do they will update us and make some good deals along with the market. Now i think that they are being selfish and enjoying the money that they raise without having much use out of their own wallets.

I wouldn't agree about selfish and enjoying raised money, because they working on several physical buildings. But I can't help but agree that they're barely listening to the community. Not anymore. Wanted to say this for long and otherwise think against it, but it seems like that whenever someone suggested things or saying things that's not exactly on the same page as theirs, they will either not replying for the matter or giving evasive-defensive answers such as what they give to me.

[lofegs]

Primalbase August Report
https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-august-report-b1fd6a406aac

I took a look. And even they say they will open the promised 5 offices by the end of 2018, it doesn't seem possible to me with this pace.
Even London is still under contruction.

They said they are still on pace for it.

Amsterdam: check
Berlin: check
London: almost check
NY: final negotiations
Singapore: most unknown

How is that not doable?

Hope it will be done. But as you know we saw many delays before which makes me cautious. And again as we saw in previous ones it is not quick and easy job even after you close deals.

[Primal Base]

Primalbase August Report
https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-august-report-b1fd6a406aac

I took a look. And even they say they will open the promised 5 offices by the end of 2018, it doesn't seem possible to me with this pace.
Even London is still under contruction.

They said they are still on pace for it.

Amsterdam: check
Berlin: check
London: almost check
NY: final negotiations
Singapore: most unknown

How is that not doable?

Hope it will be done. But as you know we saw many delays before which makes me cautious. And again as we saw in previous ones it is not quick and easy job even after you close deals.

I agree. Lots of barriers can hinder progress time.

[holydarkness]

I'd actually like to hear your point of view on my previous post, Admin. It's rather discouraging to see that you choose to ignore a comments that sounds their concern about your attention to customer's wishes and input.

In regards to the post, may I also highlight that months ago, you said that exchange will come after you have a demand or tangible products or something like that, I failed to recall correctly. I failed even more to see what "preliminary" achievement you need to finally decide that you have enough "foundation" and decide it's time to enliat and be more visible to users worldwide.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token. You may argue that this project is more focused on "something real" or a "long-term utilities" and you couldn't care less about exchange and their speculation-enabling-feature, but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision? Why don't you reverse the roadmap to make it more suitable to your concept? Namely building offices and reputation for years, establishing yourself, and only after you're well known, you reach crypto. It will surely safe you a lot of time answering demands about details and exchange and price.

If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress. And this leads me to my second dismayal, namely bad response. Either a bad company culture or a community manager with bad attitude, depends on who in charge of answering posts.

Before you pass judgment, I'll humbly ask you to review back few pages to see that I have never clashed way with you, so I'm confident when I said that this is nothing personal, it's not more than a simple observation, that your responses to criticism, be it possitive or negative, are mostly cam hardly be seen as warm or... diplomatic, if you prefer a more official term. A "how is not doable?" from someone who represent business space rental that operates worldwide is certainly least to be expected, and certainly discourage people from interacting well by dissuading them from saying what they want to say.

[lofegs]

I'd actually like to hear your point of view on my previous post, Admin. It's rather discouraging to see that you choose to ignore a comments that sounds their concern about your attention to customer's wishes and input.

In regards to the post, may I also highlight that months ago, you said that exchange will come after you have a demand or tangible products or something like that, I failed to recall correctly. I failed even more to see what "preliminary" achievement you need to finally decide that you have enough "foundation" and decide it's time to enliat and be more visible to users worldwide.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token. You may argue that this project is more focused on "something real" or a "long-term utilities" and you couldn't care less about exchange and their speculation-enabling-feature, but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision? Why don't you reverse the roadmap to make it more suitable to your concept? Namely building offices and reputation for years, establishing yourself, and only after you're well known, you reach crypto. It will surely safe you a lot of time answering demands about details and exchange and price.

If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress. And this leads me to my second dismayal, namely bad response. Either a bad company culture or a community manager with bad attitude, depends on who in charge of answering posts.

Before you pass judgment, I'll humbly ask you to review back few pages to see that I have never clashed way with you, so I'm confident when I said that this is nothing personal, it's not more than a simple observation, that your responses to criticism, be it possitive or negative, are mostly cam hardly be seen as warm or... diplomatic, if you prefer a more official term. A "how is not doable?" from someone who represent business space rental that operates worldwide is certainly least to be expected, and certainly discourage people from interacting well by dissuading them from saying what they want to say.

Unfortunately there is no proper communication after the ICO, especially in here.
Nothing personal with that support person but I'm not sure if he has some certain knowledge about the project and I don't like the manner of that person either.

[Primal Base]

I'd actually like to hear your point of view on my previous post, Admin. It's rather discouraging to see that you choose to ignore a comments that sounds their concern about your attention to customer's wishes and input.

In regards to the post, may I also highlight that months ago, you said that exchange will come after you have a demand or tangible products or something like that, I failed to recall correctly. I failed even more to see what "preliminary" achievement you need to finally decide that you have enough "foundation" and decide it's time to enliat and be more visible to users worldwide.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token. You may argue that this project is more focused on "something real" or a "long-term utilities" and you couldn't care less about exchange and their speculation-enabling-feature, but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision? Why don't you reverse the roadmap to make it more suitable to your concept? Namely building offices and reputation for years, establishing yourself, and only after you're well known, you reach crypto. It will surely safe you a lot of time answering demands about details and exchange and price.

If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress. And this leads me to my second dismayal, namely bad response. Either a bad company culture or a community manager with bad attitude, depends on who in charge of answering posts.

Before you pass judgment, I'll humbly ask you to review back few pages to see that I have never clashed way with you, so I'm confident when I said that this is nothing personal, it's not more than a simple observation, that your responses to criticism, be it possitive or negative, are mostly cam hardly be seen as warm or... diplomatic, if you prefer a more official term. A "how is not doable?" from someone who represent business space rental that operates worldwide is certainly least to be expected, and certainly discourage people from interacting well by dissuading them from saying what they want to say.

Unfortunately there is no proper communication after the ICO, especially in here.
Nothing personal with that support person but I'm not sure if he has some certain knowledge about the project and I don't like the manner of that person either.

Hello. we willingly sharing all information here as we receive from the company. It's not always what people want to hear. But we are checking this forum on a consistent basis and working to respond to all reasonable requests.

[Primal Base]

I'd actually like to hear your point of view on my previous post, Admin. It's rather discouraging to see that you choose to ignore a comments that sounds their concern about your attention to customer's wishes and input.

In regards to the post, may I also highlight that months ago, you said that exchange will come after you have a demand or tangible products or something like that, I failed to recall correctly. I failed even more to see what "preliminary" achievement you need to finally decide that you have enough "foundation" and decide it's time to enliat and be more visible to users worldwide.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token. You may argue that this project is more focused on "something real" or a "long-term utilities" and you couldn't care less about exchange and their speculation-enabling-feature, but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision? Why don't you reverse the roadmap to make it more suitable to your concept? Namely building offices and reputation for years, establishing yourself, and only after you're well known, you reach crypto. It will surely safe you a lot of time answering demands about details and exchange and price.

If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress. And this leads me to my second dismayal, namely bad response. Either a bad company culture or a community manager with bad attitude, depends on who in charge of answering posts.

Before you pass judgment, I'll humbly ask you to review back few pages to see that I have never clashed way with you, so I'm confident when I said that this is nothing personal, it's not more than a simple observation, that your responses to criticism, be it possitive or negative, are mostly cam hardly be seen as warm or... diplomatic, if you prefer a more official term. A "how is not doable?" from someone who represent business space rental that operates worldwide is certainly least to be expected, and certainly discourage people from interacting well by dissuading them from saying what they want to say.

First of all, thanks for supporting the project.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.


I don't understand. You say you firmly believe in the company's future but then later you question the entire premise of using blockchain to underpin the project? Is this not self-conflicting? Just trying to understand.......




"If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress."

Look at the blockchain space right now. Many many projects are out of money or have run out of money because they burned it all trying to hype up their coins and get them on exchanges so the prices would pump during bull market. Not only did those coin prices come crashing WAY down during this bear market, but it's brought a mistrust and bad reputation to the market as a whole.


"but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision?"

No offense, but how is this a serious question? Just because the majority of "crypto investors" right now are motivated by speculation doesn't mean the future will be this way. Do you not believe in the spirit of open blockchains? The transparency it can bring? The problems it can solve? The corruption it can help fight? Decentralization? That is SO much bigger than the current times of pumps and dumps. Primalbase is actually trying to build a real project that can last years......so no.....it was not a 'mistake'

[holydarkness]

Uhh... That would be your response? Really? Very well, let's begin.

First of all, thanks for supporting the project.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.


I don't understand. You say you firmly believe in the company's future but then later you question the entire premise of using blockchain to underpin the project? Is this not self-conflicting? Just trying to understand.......

I would believe the difficulty you experience to understand my point come from your decision to read the post as sentence per sentence instead of wholly, or the decision to not utilizing a correlation between separate sentences, or perhaps your decision to deliberately failing to understand the obvious. It is really a shocking and discouraging found that someone who work as a community manager, who clearly required to be able to... well, communicating and interacting with the community, failed to conduct such an essential action.

Nevertheless, you'll find that the meaning between the two sentences easy to understand, and although (if I may put myself in your shoes) seems contradictory but actually completely related and supportive to the earlier part. The sentence that gave correlation between the second to the first paragraph that you refer to, located on the first sentence of the later paragraph. Allow me to quote

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token.

If you still failed to see, allow me to restructure the sentence. "What I don't like is your company decision to not considering an exchange, whereas an exchange has a potent to bring more awareness to the token." Now, read the former and the later paragraph together, and I really hope you can translates those two paragraph as follows,

"I believe in your project, but I rather not fond of your decision to continue on delaying one key feature, namely an exchange. Because......." then the whole sentence of the second paragraph literally describing my opinion regarding it, in reflect to your previous replies of your company sight about exchanges.

Did you manage to get the whole explanation? Honestly, it's not that difficult to understand. Of course, practice makes perfect. Maybe you just need a lot of practices so you can understand people's thought. Start from trying to read to understand instead to merely answer. I know you can, don't give up.

"If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress."

Look at the blockchain space right now. Many many projects are out of money or have run out of money because they burned it all trying to hype up their coins and get them on exchanges so the prices would pump during bull market. Not only did those coin prices come crashing WAY down during this bear market, but it's brought a mistrust and bad reputation to the market as a whole.

And only several project survives, which, I personally believe, are the strong projects with strong communities. I have some projects for reference, whose price "plummeted" to nearly one sixth of their initial price, or even one tenth, yet they still have manage to keep their community believe on their project, and when the market gets bullish, I believe these projects will also improves. It shows that they're really qualified to be called a strong project, a serious ones... or... are you implying that you yourself didn't trust your project's strength? That you afraid, when PrimalBase hit exchange on current situation, instead of striving due to the plenty of tangible products to deliver, they will be utterly destroyed?

Well, of course people are entitled to their own opinion, but I myself believe if PrimalBase play their cards right and manage to keep their solid community, they'll survive lots of bearish (mind that this very chat indicates otherwise, though. And I would say that the very reason why this dialogue happen is due to the very poor community support). Besides, refusing to enter the market because of the bear and then claiming that your price is strong and high when the bull appear would be like saying that you are very talented that you can call the rain at your will while the sky itself is already dark and heavy. I hope you manage to understand the analogy, but if you once again failed, allow me to clear them: it means, what will happen is not due to your power or capability, it happen because your surroundings already support the outcome.

"but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision?"

No offense, but how is this a serious question? Just because the majority of "crypto investors" right now are motivated by speculation doesn't mean the future will be this way. Do you not believe in the spirit of open blockchains? The transparency it can bring? The problems it can solve? The corruption it can help fight? Decentralization? That is SO much bigger than the current times of pumps and dumps. Primalbase is actually trying to build a real project that can last years......so no.....it was not a 'mistake'

What? No, it was not a serious question. It's a rhetorical question, or sarcasm if you may. Jesus, now I began to really question what they write on the job specification for a community manager. May I know? And yes, this time it is a serious question.

Meanwhile, let's continue on forward with the rest of the sentence. Yes, I am honestly believe in the spirit of open blockchains, problems it solves, etc. Do you? (hint: it's rhetorical again). Because from where I stand, I didn't see they harness the very power of the decentralization itself. PrimalBase is trying to build a real project that can last years... with its base, or half of its base, on cryptoworld, yet they somehow decide to not fully embrace the cryptoworld. They focused on delivering products, constructing and building workspaces while hiring a snarky community manager to maintain their community. And let's see our current position, our current price against ICO price, in regards to the whole cryptomarket fluctuation, and in reference to your buildings achievement.

After the initial freefall, when the market rises, your price rather stays, when the market fall down, you stay, when you announce buildings, guess what? Yep, your price also stay at relatively same position. I would argue that this is because you are lack of exchange, or lack of access for the community to utilize your project as one of the trading assets. How is this is an embrace of the power of blockchain? (Hint 2: again, this is a rhetorical).

You've tried your way and it didn't show significant improvement, why don't you try the community's suggestion of adding new exchanges to boost visibility, accessibility, and liquidity?

And if you failed to understand how the two sentence above this one is correlated to my statement that I believe on your project as a long term, it spelled as: I believe that your project will bring bright future, that's why I will not sell my token in a very long term until I see that your price is right, but an exchange will help gain interests and enthusiasm from cryptoworld so your price won't looks like a stagnant.

How about you informing your board of directors about this, and while they contemplating on it, either they hire a new community manager that is more capable of attending to inquiries on this media in a more polite ways than yours, or you learn on how to regards your investors. I held a firm believe that, of course, your company culture dictate that you didn't discriminate small investors from big investors? Oh... yes darling, this one can be answered, it is rather a sarcasm, but confirming this will set several understandment on how to navigate through your company's medias.

[Primal Base]

Uhh... That would be your response? Really? Very well, let's begin.

First of all, thanks for supporting the project.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.


I don't understand. You say you firmly believe in the company's future but then later you question the entire premise of using blockchain to underpin the project? Is this not self-conflicting? Just trying to understand.......

I would believe the difficulty you experience to understand my point come from your decision to read the post as sentence per sentence instead of wholly, or the decision to not utilizing a correlation between separate sentences, or perhaps your decision to deliberately failing to understand the obvious. It is really a shocking and discouraging found that someone who work as a community manager, who clearly required to be able to... well, communicating and interacting with the community, failed to conduct such an essential action.

Nevertheless, you'll find that the meaning between the two sentences easy to understand, and although (if I may put myself in your shoes) seems contradictory but actually completely related and supportive to the earlier part. The sentence that gave correlation between the second to the first paragraph that you refer to, located on the first sentence of the later paragraph. Allow me to quote

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token.

If you still failed to see, allow me to restructure the sentence. "What I don't like is your company decision to not considering an exchange, whereas an exchange has a potent to bring more awareness to the token." Now, read the former and the later paragraph together, and I really hope you can translates those two paragraph as follows,

"I believe in your project, but I rather not fond of your decision to continue on delaying one key feature, namely an exchange. Because......." then the whole sentence of the second paragraph literally describing my opinion regarding it, in reflect to your previous replies of your company sight about exchanges.

Did you manage to get the whole explanation? Honestly, it's not that difficult to understand. Of course, practice makes perfect. Maybe you just need a lot of practices so you can understand people's thought. Start from trying to read to understand instead to merely answer. I know you can, don't give up.

"If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress."

Look at the blockchain space right now. Many many projects are out of money or have run out of money because they burned it all trying to hype up their coins and get them on exchanges so the prices would pump during bull market. Not only did those coin prices come crashing WAY down during this bear market, but it's brought a mistrust and bad reputation to the market as a whole.

And only several project survives, which, I personally believe, are the strong projects with strong communities. I have some projects for reference, whose price "plummeted" to nearly one sixth of their initial price, or even one tenth, yet they still have manage to keep their community believe on their project, and when the market gets bullish, I believe these projects will also improves. It shows that they're really qualified to be called a strong project, a serious ones... or... are you implying that you yourself didn't trust your project's strength? That you afraid, when PrimalBase hit exchange on current situation, instead of striving due to the plenty of tangible products to deliver, they will be utterly destroyed?

Well, of course people are entitled to their own opinion, but I myself believe if PrimalBase play their cards right and manage to keep their solid community, they'll survive lots of bearish (mind that this very chat indicates otherwise, though. And I would say that the very reason why this dialogue happen is due to the very poor community support). Besides, refusing to enter the market because of the bear and then claiming that your price is strong and high when the bull appear would be like saying that you are very talented that you can call the rain at your will while the sky itself is already dark and heavy. I hope you manage to understand the analogy, but if you once again failed, allow me to clear them: it means, what will happen is not due to your power or capability, it happen because your surroundings already support the outcome.

"but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision?"

No offense, but how is this a serious question? Just because the majority of "crypto investors" right now are motivated by speculation doesn't mean the future will be this way. Do you not believe in the spirit of open blockchains? The transparency it can bring? The problems it can solve? The corruption it can help fight? Decentralization? That is SO much bigger than the current times of pumps and dumps. Primalbase is actually trying to build a real project that can last years......so no.....it was not a 'mistake'

What? No, it was not a serious question. It's a rhetorical question, or sarcasm if you may. Jesus, now I began to really question what they write on the job specification for a community manager. May I know? And yes, this time it is a serious question.




Meanwhile, let's continue on forward with the rest of the sentence. Yes, I am honestly believe in the spirit of open blockchains, problems it solves, etc. Do you? (hint: it's rhetorical again). Because from where I stand, I didn't see they harness the very power of the decentralization itself. PrimalBase is trying to build a real project that can last years... with its base, or half of its base, on cryptoworld, yet they somehow decide to not fully embrace the cryptoworld. They focused on delivering products, constructing and building workspaces while hiring a snarky community manager to maintain their community. And let's see our current position, our current price against ICO price, in regards to the whole cryptomarket fluctuation, and in reference to your buildings achievement.

After the initial freefall, when the market rises, your price rather stays, when the market fall down, you stay, when you announce buildings, guess what? Yep, your price also stay at relatively same position. I would argue that this is because you are lack of exchange, or lack of access for the community to utilize your project as one of the trading assets. How is this is an embrace of the power of blockchain? (Hint 2: again, this is a rhetorical).

You've tried your way and it didn't show significant improvement, why don't you try the community's suggestion of adding new exchanges to boost visibility, accessibility, and liquidity?

And if you failed to understand how the two sentence above this one is correlated to my statement that I believe on your project as a long term, it spelled as: I believe that your project will bring bright future, that's why I will not sell my token in a very long term until I see that your price is right, but an exchange will help gain interests and enthusiasm from cryptoworld so your price won't looks like a stagnant.

How about you informing your board of directors about this, and while they contemplating on it, either they hire a new community manager that is more capable of attending to inquiries on this media in a more polite ways than yours, or you learn on how to regards your investors. I held a firm believe that, of course, your company culture dictate that you didn't discriminate small investors from big investors? Oh... yes darling, this one can be answered, it is rather a sarcasm, but confirming this will set several understandment on how to navigate through your company's medias.


How can you expect one to interpret your sarcasm via written text only with no effort to include any sort of emoji (which are available to use here and is what one uses in polite society to convey sarcasm over the internet so there are no misunderstandings because written words are misinterpreted all the time).

You want politeness? Perhaps you could read your last message to me and decide for yourself whether you are being polite yourself? How polite do you think you are being on a scale from 0-10?

My apologies if you aren't finding the yes man that agrees with your point of view.

Q: "You've tried your way and it didn't show significant improvement, why don't you try the community's suggestion of adding new exchanges to boost visibility, accessibility, and liquidity?"  

A: Didn't show significant improvement in what? Getting people to buy and trade more of the token to increase the price of the token? I think it's clear by now that Primalbase doesn't care about the price of the token in the short term. They are focused on building features and eventually getting adoption with those features. They are choosing to spend their time working to cater to the needs of those who would use the token, not speculate over it....especially when they are still working to get their first 5 offices up and leasing feature.

 

Q: After the initial freefall, when the market rises, your price rather stays, when the market fall down, you stay, when you announce buildings, guess what? Yep, your price also stay at relatively same position. I would argue that this is because you are lack of exchange, or lack of access for the community to utilize your project as one of the trading assets. How is this is an embrace of the power of blockchain? (Hint 2: again, this is a rhetorical).

A: I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that getting more liquidity to the token and doing marketing could possibly drive up prices. The point here is that the company is not focused on that and don't really care much if the price is pumping up or down.  So what is the point to continuously bring it up? If you want to interpret that to mean the company doesn't care about small investors, that's your prerogative. They are not designing this for crypto traders. It would be fun if they were (for me as well), but they aren't. So that's that.

[GordmanMD]

Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself

Uhh... That would be your response? Really? Very well, let's begin.

First of all, thanks for supporting the project.

Before you got any idea that I was a mere pump-rider or anything around that kind of species, allow me to inform you that you may rest assured, I have a firm belief of your company's future, and I have no intention to sell at all. I even "lock" my tokens by crossing them to the ETH gateway. I understand that land and building business need years to cultivate.


I don't understand. You say you firmly believe in the company's future but then later you question the entire premise of using blockchain to underpin the project? Is this not self-conflicting? Just trying to understand.......

I would believe the difficulty you experience to understand my point come from your decision to read the post as sentence per sentence instead of wholly, or the decision to not utilizing a correlation between separate sentences, or perhaps your decision to deliberately failing to understand the obvious. It is really a shocking and discouraging found that someone who work as a community manager, who clearly required to be able to... well, communicating and interacting with the community, failed to conduct such an essential action.

Nevertheless, you'll find that the meaning between the two sentences easy to understand, and although (if I may put myself in your shoes) seems contradictory but actually completely related and supportive to the earlier part. The sentence that gave correlation between the second to the first paragraph that you refer to, located on the first sentence of the later paragraph. Allow me to quote

What I don't like is, or rather are, your company decision to keep delaying an exchange that has a potent to bring more awareness of the token.

If you still failed to see, allow me to restructure the sentence. "What I don't like is your company decision to not considering an exchange, whereas an exchange has a potent to bring more awareness to the token." Now, read the former and the later paragraph together, and I really hope you can translates those two paragraph as follows,

"I believe in your project, but I rather not fond of your decision to continue on delaying one key feature, namely an exchange. Because......." then the whole sentence of the second paragraph literally describing my opinion regarding it, in reflect to your previous replies of your company sight about exchanges.

Did you manage to get the whole explanation? Honestly, it's not that difficult to understand. Of course, practice makes perfect. Maybe you just need a lot of practices so you can understand people's thought. Start from trying to read to understand instead to merely answer. I know you can, don't give up.

"If you failed to see how this decision to keep ignoring demands for exchange could affect your progress, allow me to point out one factor, namely community's support. Some with high visionary and firm belief and strong investing knowledge (the name goes on) would stay, true, but some will also eventually lost faith if you failed to show good progress."

Look at the blockchain space right now. Many many projects are out of money or have run out of money because they burned it all trying to hype up their coins and get them on exchanges so the prices would pump during bull market. Not only did those coin prices come crashing WAY down during this bear market, but it's brought a mistrust and bad reputation to the market as a whole.

And only several project survives, which, I personally believe, are the strong projects with strong communities. I have some projects for reference, whose price "plummeted" to nearly one sixth of their initial price, or even one tenth, yet they still have manage to keep their community believe on their project, and when the market gets bullish, I believe these projects will also improves. It shows that they're really qualified to be called a strong project, a serious ones... or... are you implying that you yourself didn't trust your project's strength? That you afraid, when PrimalBase hit exchange on current situation, instead of striving due to the plenty of tangible products to deliver, they will be utterly destroyed?

Well, of course people are entitled to their own opinion, but I myself believe if PrimalBase play their cards right and manage to keep their solid community, they'll survive lots of bearish (mind that this very chat indicates otherwise, though. And I would say that the very reason why this dialogue happen is due to the very poor community support). Besides, refusing to enter the market because of the bear and then claiming that your price is strong and high when the bull appear would be like saying that you are very talented that you can call the rain at your will while the sky itself is already dark and heavy. I hope you manage to understand the analogy, but if you once again failed, allow me to clear them: it means, what will happen is not due to your power or capability, it happen because your surroundings already support the outcome.

"but you might forgot that you're standing on crypto, on a field that's basically cheerish trading and speculations. If your company doesn't care about such and prefer to have your focus undisturbed on establishing tangible product, then I should ask your initial decision to reach crypto. Was it a mistake due to a poor decision?"

No offense, but how is this a serious question? Just because the majority of "crypto investors" right now are motivated by speculation doesn't mean the future will be this way. Do you not believe in the spirit of open blockchains? The transparency it can bring? The problems it can solve? The corruption it can help fight? Decentralization? That is SO much bigger than the current times of pumps and dumps. Primalbase is actually trying to build a real project that can last years......so no.....it was not a 'mistake'

What? No, it was not a serious question. It's a rhetorical question, or sarcasm if you may. Jesus, now I began to really question what they write on the job specification for a community manager. May I know? And yes, this time it is a serious question.

Meanwhile, let's continue on forward with the rest of the sentence. Yes, I am honestly believe in the spirit of open blockchains, problems it solves, etc. Do you? (hint: it's rhetorical again). Because from where I stand, I didn't see they harness the very power of the decentralization itself. PrimalBase is trying to build a real project that can last years... with its base, or half of its base, on cryptoworld, yet they somehow decide to not fully embrace the cryptoworld. They focused on delivering products, constructing and building workspaces while hiring a snarky community manager to maintain their community. And let's see our current position, our current price against ICO price, in regards to the whole cryptomarket fluctuation, and in reference to your buildings achievement.

After the initial freefall, when the market rises, your price rather stays, when the market fall down, you stay, when you announce buildings, guess what? Yep, your price also stay at relatively same position. I would argue that this is because you are lack of exchange, or lack of access for the community to utilize your project as one of the trading assets. How is this is an embrace of the power of blockchain? (Hint 2: again, this is a rhetorical).

You've tried your way and it didn't show significant improvement, why don't you try the community's suggestion of adding new exchanges to boost visibility, accessibility, and liquidity?

And if you failed to understand how the two sentence above this one is correlated to my statement that I believe on your project as a long term, it spelled as: I believe that your project will bring bright future, that's why I will not sell my token in a very long term until I see that your price is right, but an exchange will help gain interests and enthusiasm from cryptoworld so your price won't looks like a stagnant.

How about you informing your board of directors about this, and while they contemplating on it, either they hire a new community manager that is more capable of attending to inquiries on this media in a more polite ways than yours, or you learn on how to regards your investors. I held a firm believe that, of course, your company culture dictate that you didn't discriminate small investors from big investors? Oh... yes darling, this one can be answered, it is rather a sarcasm, but confirming this will set several understandment on how to navigate through your company's medias.

[holydarkness]

Allow me to snip the entite earlier messages, because you seems to fail to understand how quote feature works, although you seems to have a comprehensive understanding on how emoji works....

For thosw who are interested to know how these... (im)professional banter happened on the first place, kindly scroll.

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How can you expect one to interpret your sarcasm via written text only with no effort to include any sort of emoji (which are available to use here and is what one uses in polite society to convey sarcasm over the internet so there are no misunderstandings because written words are misinterpreted all the time).

My sincerest apology, I am well used with people, both in digital and direct world, that understand sarcasm solely on the whole context of the sentences without the need of emoji. I read somewhere that people who can understand sarcasm are they who are bright on their mind. Emoji themselves usually translated as a hint of non-professionalism in business world. Despite the inability to stay away on sarcasm when the situation pushes me to, I surely tried to stay as away as possible from emojis when I tried to discuss something with an entity that I see as a professional or business body. Well, if you suggested emoji for such situation that we have, may I perceive that . . . . . . . hmm... interesting.

You want politeness? Perhaps you could read your last message to me and decide for yourself whether you are being polite yourself? How polite do you think you are being on a scale from 0-10?

I decide myself? Well, then it'll be at 8, 6 at the lowest. Kindly read again, the whole post was rather delivered in a civil manner at most of the post body, with probably an exception to the closing paragraph, which rather dilluted with opinion --as warned-- but composed based on an observation on how the community manager of this project interact with their members. Don't you agree? Because, I think several people here are on the same page with me. I became less polite when the answer you gave was rather rude, defensive, and seems to be taken personally..

One would perceive such sentence as an input to improve themselves, while others, it seems, and how unfortunate that it should happen on a "room" which aimed to host business spaces.

So, forgive me as I really hard to point out to myself which sentence of my second previous post that can be seen as impolite. Kindly point it out to me? There's a feature on this forum to highlight a sentence, or change the font color, it'll help. Of course, I expect the community manager to know the difference between an impolite input and a mere statement-based opinion?

My apologies if you aren't finding the yes man that agrees with your point of view.

Do I specifically ask you to be a yes man and agree with the post? To try to enlist the second you read my post? I have no intention to it. Again, kindly point out which sentence lead to such opinion.

I expect an open discussion, a healthy debate, and anything along the line, before you (it seems to me) derail everything with defensive-offensive replies instead of explaining why you haven't try any exchange, when will you try them, at which milestones, etc.

Q: "You've tried your way and it didn't show significant improvement, why don't you try the community's suggestion of adding new exchanges to boost visibility, accessibility, and liquidity?"  

A: Didn't show significant improvement in what? Getting people to buy and trade more of the token to increase the price of the token? I think it's clear by now that Primalbase doesn't care about the price of the token in the short term. They are focused on building features and eventually getting adoption with those features. They are choosing to spend their time working to cater to the needs of those who would use the token, not speculate over it....especially when they are still working to get their first 5 offices up and leasing feature.

Exactly, improvement at the token price. Usually, the token price will rise and fall at annual news, evwn for a very long term projects, much like how good news in macro and micro economic influence stock, lands, and foreign exchanges. One good example is perhaps lands, one of the investment with a good long duration, how earthquake decrease price of lands an houses on the impacted spot, or how a news of new public place (like mall, hotel, or public transportation station) drive the price of the surrounding buildings up. In your case, perhaps at the announcement of new offices. And kindly tell me, why don't those announcement significantly fluctuate price? Doesn't PrimalBase concerned, even at the very least, that their good news brings very low excitement to their community? Or are you indicating that PrimalBase doesn't care about their community enthusiasm?

Q: After the initial freefall, when the market rises, your price rather stays, when the market fall down, you stay, when you announce buildings, guess what? Yep, your price also stay at relatively same position. I would argue that this is because you are lack of exchange, or lack of access for the community to utilize your project as one of the trading assets. How is this is an embrace of the power of blockchain? (Hint 2: again, this is a rhetorical).

A: I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that getting more liquidity to the token and doing marketing could possibly drive up prices. The point here is that the company is not focused on that and don't really care much if the price is pumping up or down.  So what is the point to continuously bring it up? If you want to interpret that to mean the company doesn't care about small investors, that's your prerogative. They are not designing this for crypto traders. It would be fun if they were (for me as well), but they aren't. So that's that.

(In regard to the bolded sentence) because you failed to explain to the community, at which point shall you take step to get an exchange. They are wanting that, expecting that, and from your old explanation (IIRC, the community manager before you, the one which more open and polite) they will do that once they have a tangible product or a demand, as I said, I failed to recall correctly. And at this point, where you have more than one building, I believe some people are entitled to ask if your category of tangible products (in this matter, buildings and office spaces) or a demand is already reached?

if you answer that your category of spaces are not yet achieved, despite the number of buildings you already have, then the next question will be at which milestone? How many buildings do you aim to own before you declare you have tangible products?

If you answer that your demand is not yet reached, thus no effort for an exchangeI yet, I would question why, despite the numerous buildings you have, you still have a very low demands?

[holydarkness]

Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself

I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is