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Amsterdam - 0 (0%)
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New York (coming) - 2 (25%)
Singapore (coming) - 4 (50%)
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Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself


I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is

You must be really fun at parties......... if you ever get invited to any.

Admin over there is just doing his job answering your questions and delivering as much info as possible, and what do you do? You sh*t on him at the first reply he gives you which you longed for so much, knowing full well that he cannot retaliate. If you don't want people to believe PB is rude, cold and unwelcoming then how about acting in a way which reflects that? Instead of doing exactly what you propose should not be done. You're a member of the community, and believe it or not, your actions within and outside the community also affects the way people see PB.

Basically and in conclusion, you are a very rude person who cannot restrain their feelings when something doesn't go their way. Thank you for making a big fuss out of something which probably was already known by PB core members and discussed. Not everyone likes to air their dirty laundry, but if you do please do so AWAY from the community. Deal with your issues.

Don't bother replying by the way because I'm literally not going to check this thread again because of you. People at PB should be aware of this. I am sick and tired of reading your crybaby comments, so thanks for driving me away from this thread.
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Yes, exactly.  Please air dirty laundry elsewhere.

No need for the party insult and such either, but I'd much rather resume to discussions that don't involve personal insults at all. There is a lot to be excited about with the project. Let's focus on that and not be petty.
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from where i'm sitting you need a massive ego check. I've looked back at his/her comments and seems like they are always making an effort to answer questions with facts and their best understanding of what the company wants. The only one being rude here is you. In fact, i would say you are behaving egregiously rude.

Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself


I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is
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September 21, 2018, 03:51:02 AM
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Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself


I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is

You must be really fun at parties......... if you ever get invited to any.

Admin over there is just doing his job answering your questions and delivering as much info as possible, and what do you do? You sh*t on him at the first reply he gives you which you longed for so much, knowing full well that he cannot retaliate. If you don't want people to believe PB is rude, cold and unwelcoming then how about acting in a way which reflects that? Instead of doing exactly what you propose should not be done. You're a member of the community, and believe it or not, your actions within and outside the community also affects the way people see PB.

Basically and in conclusion, you are a very rude person who cannot restrain their feelings when something doesn't go their way. Thank you for making a big fuss out of something which probably was already known by PB core members and discussed. Not everyone likes to air their dirty laundry, but if you do please do so AWAY from the community. Deal with your issues.

Don't bother replying by the way because I'm literally not going to check this thread again because of you. People at PB should be aware of this. I am sick and tired of reading your crybaby comments, so thanks for driving me away from this thread.

Ok, I don't want to imply, or take everything out of the main topic, or taking an action that can be perceived attacking someone individually, but I can't help but getting curious. I've been contemplating on this possibility several minutes after my previous post, but decided against bad assumptions. Now that another post arrived, I really can't help but getting more curious about how much for a coincidence that two accounts, that's their post history indicate that they're rarely active on the forum, and has never even get any interest on this project, suddenly coming out of nowhere, commenting with a tone that prefer sides (not that I mind it) with what can be perceived as biased post, then... get 10 and 4 merits?

I'll let alone the bugging instinct about an alt-account, as it seems too negative for an assumption, but community manager, I am aware that you aware that sending merits for posts that are less than decent in quality is frowned upon, right? And, as you're holding this account as a representative of a company, I don't think you're entitled to send merits by will? Especially on such questionable posts. It's really wrong.

Yes, exactly.  Please air dirty laundry elsewhere.

No need for the party insult and such either, but I'd much rather resume to discussions that don't involve personal insults at all. There is a lot to be excited about with the project. Let's focus on that and not be petty.

Please, that's not an excuse, there are lots of matters on my post that you can and should reply despite the pettiness. Besides, doesn't this is how you reply to people? I only reflected your attitude. If any, my post history will indicate that I am very civil.

from where i'm sitting you need a massive ego check. I've looked back at his/her comments and seems like they are always making an effort to answer questions with facts and their best understanding of what the company wants. The only one being rude here is you. In fact, i would say you are behaving egregiously rude.

Can you please show me which of my previous posts on this thread, aside from the recent ones that's has to be happen due to the circumstance that I've previously informed, that's rude?

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Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself


I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is

You must be really fun at parties......... if you ever get invited to any.

Admin over there is just doing his job answering your questions and delivering as much info as possible, and what do you do? You sh*t on him at the first reply he gives you which you longed for so much, knowing full well that he cannot retaliate. If you don't want people to believe PB is rude, cold and unwelcoming then how about acting in a way which reflects that? Instead of doing exactly what you propose should not be done. You're a member of the community, and believe it or not, your actions within and outside the community also affects the way people see PB.

Basically and in conclusion, you are a very rude person who cannot restrain their feelings when something doesn't go their way. Thank you for making a big fuss out of something which probably was already known by PB core members and discussed. Not everyone likes to air their dirty laundry, but if you do please do so AWAY from the community. Deal with your issues.

Don't bother replying by the way because I'm literally not going to check this thread again because of you. People at PB should be aware of this. I am sick and tired of reading your crybaby comments, so thanks for driving me away from this thread.

Ok, I don't want to imply, or take everything out of the main topic, or taking an action that can be perceived attacking someone individually, but I can't help but getting curious. I've been contemplating on this possibility several minutes after my previous post, but decided against bad assumptions. Now that another post arrived, I really can't help but getting more curious about how much for a coincidence that two accounts, that's their post history indicate that they're rarely active on the forum, and has never even get any interest on this project, suddenly coming out of nowhere, commenting with a tone that prefer sides (not that I mind it) with what can be perceived as biased post, then... get 10 and 4 merits?

I'll let alone the bugging instinct about an alt-account, as it seems too negative for an assumption, but community manager, I am aware that you aware that sending merits for posts that are less than decent in quality is frowned upon, right? And, as you're holding this account as a representative of a company, I don't think you're entitled to send merits by will? Especially on such questionable posts. It's really wrong.

Yes, exactly.  Please air dirty laundry elsewhere.

No need for the party insult and such either, but I'd much rather resume to discussions that don't involve personal insults at all. There is a lot to be excited about with the project. Let's focus on that and not be petty.

Please, that's not an excuse, there are lots of matters on my post that you can and should reply despite the pettiness. Besides, doesn't this is how you reply to people? I only reflected your attitude. If any, my post history will indicate that I am very civil.

from where i'm sitting you need a massive ego check. I've looked back at his/her comments and seems like they are always making an effort to answer questions with facts and their best understanding of what the company wants. The only one being rude here is you. In fact, i would say you are behaving egregiously rude.

Can you please show me which of my previous posts on this thread, aside from the recent ones that's has to be happen due to the circumstance that I've previously informed, that's rude?

Frankly, it's none of your business who this account gives merits to. You do not own this account or administrate it.  If you're suggesting a conspiracy....come on man.....it's late...give it a rest.

In fact, I even stood up for you on a comment toward you that could be considered personally insulting.

i previously have attempted to address your questions, but since you disagreed with my answers, you just keep re-asking the same questions in different ways.

Can we simply move on from this and not monopolize this public thread which is here for constructive discussion?

There are lots of cool things going on with Primalbase. London office is opening. Leasing Wink

If this isn't enough for you, i cordially invite you to send me a private message or something. I'm happy to help if you're having some real problems. I hope that is enough for you.
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September 21, 2018, 04:40:56 AM
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Frankly, it's none of your business who this account gives merits to. You do not own this account or administrate it.  If you're suggesting a conspiracy....come on man.....it's late...give it a rest.

In fact, I even stood up for you on a comment toward you that could be considered personally insulting.

i previously have attempted to address your questions, but since you disagreed with my answers, you just keep re-asking the same questions in different ways.

Can we simply move on from this and not monopolize this public thread which is here for constructive discussion?

There are lots of cool things going on with Primalbase. London office is opening. Leasing Wink

If this isn't enough for you, i cordially invite you to send me a private message or something. I'm happy to help if you're having some real problems. I hope that is enough for you.

In regards to the merit system currently act as a very effective system to fight agains spam, account farming, and other negative things that currently happen on this forum, a merit abuse is actually everybody's concer.

But honestly, I'm tired of these too. LOL. I'm a peaceful person. And I've been very uncomfortable on "monopolizing" the thread since the debate getting more heated, which is why I've been reaching to the telegram admins and discuss thing regarding the forum ugly situation privately. Nevertheless, I am more than ready to took it down a notch. As I said, I merely reflect your attitude. Be polite, please, to anyone coming to this thread and I'll regard you the same.

And about your attempt to address my question, forgive the persistance, as your reply here was rather contradictory to what's being discussed on the telegram, whereas the telegram --extremely condusive communication on that channel, by the way-- openly discussing about exchanges while you here stated that the team didn't care about current price (and exchange). Of course, someone can't be blamed to be curious of this. Do you mind to share an insight on this?

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September 21, 2018, 05:45:49 AM
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Frankly, it's none of your business who this account gives merits to. You do not own this account or administrate it.  If you're suggesting a conspiracy....come on man.....it's late...give it a rest.

In fact, I even stood up for you on a comment toward you that could be considered personally insulting.

i previously have attempted to address your questions, but since you disagreed with my answers, you just keep re-asking the same questions in different ways.

Can we simply move on from this and not monopolize this public thread which is here for constructive discussion?

There are lots of cool things going on with Primalbase. London office is opening. Leasing Wink

If this isn't enough for you, i cordially invite you to send me a private message or something. I'm happy to help if you're having some real problems. I hope that is enough for you.

In regards to the merit system currently act as a very effective system to fight agains spam, account farming, and other negative things that currently happen on this forum, a merit abuse is actually everybody's concer.

But honestly, I'm tired of these too. LOL. I'm a peaceful person. And I've been very uncomfortable on "monopolizing" the thread since the debate getting more heated, which is why I've been reaching to the telegram admins and discuss thing regarding the forum ugly situation privately. Nevertheless, I am more than ready to took it down a notch. As I said, I merely reflect your attitude. Be polite, please, to anyone coming to this thread and I'll regard you the same.

And about your attempt to address my question, forgive the persistance, as your reply here was rather contradictory to what's being discussed on the telegram, whereas the telegram --extremely condusive communication on that channel, by the way-- openly discussing about exchanges while you here stated that the team didn't care about current price (and exchange). Of course, someone can't be blamed to be curious of this. Do you mind to share an insight on this?

We all reflect our own attitudes.  We are all responsible for our own behaviors. Let's leave it at that.

And man.....if you read the pinned message on the telegram, it specifically states that discussion about exchanges is not allowed.
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September 22, 2018, 07:09:14 AM
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I believe in the projects connected with distributed workspace, i think we will have few projects like this in the future, that can give great benefits.
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September 23, 2018, 01:05:35 PM
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Uhh.. dude. As soon as the admin disagrees with you got completely nasty. That's totally uncalled for. You need to check yourself


I'm not sure how this sentence can be said without me sounding rude, but I am not, I'm smiling, literally.

Do you mean me that's nasty or the community manager ?

Because I merely reflect his attitude, a taste of his own medicine, if one may say. If you see his replies on previos pages, ones that I give my best to ignore, he replied suggestions given by the communities with a rather snarky tone, and completely different on how a professional representative should answer.

In really hope that upon this encounter, he can reflect to himself better and realize that he's a representative of the company, his actions and his words are how people perceive PrimalBase, and I really don't want that communities think PrimalBase is a rude, cold, and unwelcome to opinion just because their representative needs to check himself. Or... (sorry that I have to suggest this) that the company maybe need a new and better representative. If you check their earliest posts, you'll probably be able to see how different their way to address posts and suggestion is

You must be really fun at parties......... if you ever get invited to any.

Admin over there is just doing his job answering your questions and delivering as much info as possible, and what do you do? You sh*t on him at the first reply he gives you which you longed for so much, knowing full well that he cannot retaliate. If you don't want people to believe PB is rude, cold and unwelcoming then how about acting in a way which reflects that? Instead of doing exactly what you propose should not be done. You're a member of the community, and believe it or not, your actions within and outside the community also affects the way people see PB.

Basically and in conclusion, you are a very rude person who cannot restrain their feelings when something doesn't go their way. Thank you for making a big fuss out of something which probably was already known by PB core members and discussed. Not everyone likes to air their dirty laundry, but if you do please do so AWAY from the community. Deal with your issues.

Don't bother replying by the way because I'm literally not going to check this thread again because of you. People at PB should be aware of this. I am sick and tired of reading your crybaby comments, so thanks for driving me away from this thread.

Ok, I don't want to imply, or take everything out of the main topic, or taking an action that can be perceived attacking someone individually, but I can't help but getting curious. I've been contemplating on this possibility several minutes after my previous post, but decided against bad assumptions. Now that another post arrived, I really can't help but getting more curious about how much for a coincidence that two accounts, that's their post history indicate that they're rarely active on the forum, and has never even get any interest on this project, suddenly coming out of nowhere, commenting with a tone that prefer sides (not that I mind it) with what can be perceived as biased post, then... get 10 and 4 merits?

I'll let alone the bugging instinct about an alt-account, as it seems too negative for an assumption, but community manager, I am aware that you aware that sending merits for posts that are less than decent in quality is frowned upon, right? And, as you're holding this account as a representative of a company, I don't think you're entitled to send merits by will? Especially on such questionable posts. It's really wrong.

Yes, exactly.  Please air dirty laundry elsewhere.

No need for the party insult and such either, but I'd much rather resume to discussions that don't involve personal insults at all. There is a lot to be excited about with the project. Let's focus on that and not be petty.

Please, that's not an excuse, there are lots of matters on my post that you can and should reply despite the pettiness. Besides, doesn't this is how you reply to people? I only reflected your attitude. If any, my post history will indicate that I am very civil.

from where i'm sitting you need a massive ego check. I've looked back at his/her comments and seems like they are always making an effort to answer questions with facts and their best understanding of what the company wants. The only one being rude here is you. In fact, i would say you are behaving egregiously rude.

Can you please show me which of my previous posts on this thread, aside from the recent ones that's has to be happen due to the circumstance that I've previously informed, that's rude?

Frankly, it's none of your business who this account gives merits to. You do not own this account or administrate it.  If you're suggesting a conspiracy....come on man.....it's late...give it a rest.

In fact, I even stood up for you on a comment toward you that could be considered personally insulting.

i previously have attempted to address your questions, but since you disagreed with my answers, you just keep re-asking the same questions in different ways.

Can we simply move on from this and not monopolize this public thread which is here for constructive discussion?

There are lots of cool things going on with Primalbase. London office is opening. Leasing Wink

If this isn't enough for you, i cordially invite you to send me a private message or something. I'm happy to help if you're having some real problems. I hope that is enough for you.

yes please lets move on...we all want exchange listings including the team, but building the business is what will ultimately increase the value and in this market there's not much happening tbh...now that the hype around ico's has cooled, the projects that are really doing actual things will start to shine through and Primal Base is a perfect example
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October 02, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
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Primalbase September Report
Hard Hats & High Rises

The last throes of summer are upon us, but while the sun may be readying itself for hibernation, we certainly aren’t. We have been busy burning the midnight oil in the run up to the London office launch, adding the final touches to the space to ensure it is in perfect condition for when we welcome our first tenants this month!

September saw a lot of travel, bookings and Skyping across the North Sea to get everything in place for the London Launch on the 4th of October (further details later in the report). We also held a hard hat tour at Primalbase LDN at the beginning of September, where we met a number of token holders and potential tenants. It was great to hear your feedback on how to improve and structure Primalbase going forward — advice from our community is vital to ensuring we can continue improving and serving its needs to the best of our ability. https://medium.com/@Primalbase/primalbase-september-report-322c698bbe1c

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Can we see occupancy rates of tables for each office? At least on the montly reports?

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October 23, 2018, 02:17:55 AM
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Can we see occupancy rates of tables for each office? At least on the montly reports?

Will pass your request along to the team. Thanks!
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We decided that the best way to do this would be to donate four PBT tokens to a startup using tech to make the world a better place — a startup chosen by you. And you didn’t disappoint, with a flood of nominations for worthy causes around the world.



Have a read, then help do some good by voting for your winner here: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/3YN3TB8


Full news: https://medium.com/primalbase/primalbase-birthday-giveaway-24983d7162a7



Voting closes on Thursday 6th November
Announcing the results on Friday 7th November
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Coworking is becoming the new normal. Across the globe, the number of shared office spaces has risen at a rate of 200% over the past five years–a trend that will only continue as the needs of modern business evolve. By 2020, the number of coworking members will rise to 3.8 million, increasing to 5.1 million by 2022. Meanwhile, 83% of coworking users claim to have benefited from working in these environments.



Read full article her: https://medium.com/primalbase/channelling-uber-coworking-in-the-sharing-economy-dd17f1d1d983

Guys, what is your attitude to coworking? Wink Do you use them?
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November 06, 2018, 02:45:14 PM
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Let’s start a workspace revolution.
The Beta version of our booking platform, together with the Primalbase Lease Market, is finally live!

Flexible, low-cost hot desks and offices available to the tech community. Join us today!

https://primalbase.com/en/
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Let’s start a workspace revolution.
The Beta version of our booking platform, together with the Primalbase Lease Market, is finally live!

Flexible, low-cost hot desks and offices available to the tech community. Join us today!

https://primalbase.com/en/
Finally !! Let's see how it works..
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Let’s start a workspace revolution.
The Beta version of our booking platform, together with the Primalbase Lease Market, is finally live!

Flexible, low-cost hot desks and offices available to the tech community. Join us today!

https://primalbase.com/en/
Finally !! Let's see how it works..

Fantastic!!!! I have already tested the loan function and so far it has worked smoothly, now I only need a few guys who borrow my token. Some guys lend for less than a dollar, I wouldn't do that.
The only disadvantage is that you can no longer deposit your PBT on a Ledger Nano S because you have to load it into your account.

And wasn't it promised we can lend fragments of a PBT? Currently it's only possible to lend a whole PBT ...
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November 07, 2018, 03:18:55 PM
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Let’s start a workspace revolution.
The Beta version of our booking platform, together with the Primalbase Lease Market, is finally live!

Flexible, low-cost hot desks and offices available to the tech community. Join us today!

https://primalbase.com/en/
Finally !! Let's see how it works..

Fantastic!!!! I have already tested the loan function and so far it has worked smoothly, now I only need a few guys who borrow my token. Some guys lend for less than a dollar, I wouldn't do that.
The only disadvantage is that you can no longer deposit your PBT on a Ledger Nano S because you have to load it into your account.

And wasn't it promised we can lend fragments of a PBT? Currently it's only possible to lend a whole PBT ...

One step at a time. Wink
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November 07, 2018, 03:22:52 PM
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The results of the Primalbase birthday giveaway competition are in: the winner is ReDI School. Huge congratulations to a worthy cause. ReDI School wins 4 PBT tokens, which they can use to access a private office in any of Primalbase’s office spaces.

Thank you to everyone who nominated and voted in the competition.

The announcement on Twitter is here: https://twitter.com/primalbasehq/status/1060176743800193024
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November 08, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
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Let’s start a workspace revolution.
The Beta version of our booking platform, together with the Primalbase Lease Market, is finally live!

Flexible, low-cost hot desks and offices available to the tech community. Join us today!

https://primalbase.com/en/
Finally !! Let's see how it works..

Fantastic!!!! I have already tested the loan function and so far it has worked smoothly, now I only need a few guys who borrow my token. Some guys lend for less than a dollar, I wouldn't do that.
The only disadvantage is that you can no longer deposit your PBT on a Ledger Nano S because you have to load it into your account.

And wasn't it promised we can lend fragments of a PBT? Currently it's only possible to lend a whole PBT ...

One step at a time. Wink

Of course  Smiley

One more question, the lending App for Smartphones is still in the works or at least planned?
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