How will AMD Vega affect GPU mining?

[dadesu]

Maybe vega will be good for eth, but price is also very important, and power consumption.
If vega realy take more than 350w in dual mining mode I dont belive there will be good
way to keep card cold enought. And if 2x 1060 are faster than vega, then I think all talks
about HBM2 are pointless...

You act like you ain't heard of undervolting before...

Watchig what AMD gives lately is don good.
I think AMD lost battle with Nvidia..
with most algo NVIDIA taking the lead..
for example, with Lira2REV2 algo nobody can not optimized god miner for AMD...

No one has published one ;3

Reading tests from net about vega and cant find with low consumption and big hash.
Even if you are optimise miner very good will be imposible to have good hashrate without decent
core clocks. For example 2x 1060 have about 50m in eth and take very low power to make that speed.
Vega will hardly make that speed, and even more hard make that low power consumption.
And 2x 1060 can buy right now, and vega will be easy to buy when?
Do you understand my point?
Undervolted or not

On a HEAVY compute based workload (Sia mining) - my Vega had stock volts for performance level at 1.2V. After forcing it to go no higher than 1.025V, she's stable and good.

Now, you're assuming miner optimizations for Vega are the only thing that can be done... If the only thing I could get out of a Vega card at the end of the day (say my Vega FE) - when all done, was 50MH/s, I would consider it a personal failure.

I look forward to your work and I hope that you will be able to achieve what you want. But it will be hard to realize the speed of the two 1070 (about 64m in eth) which are cheaper than one vega fe.

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[h311m4n]

Reading tests from net about vega and cant find with low consumption and big hash.
Even if you are optimise miner very good will be imposible to have good hashrate without decent
core clocks. For example 2x 1060 have about 50m in eth and take very low power to make that speed.
Vega will hardly make that speed, and even more hard make that low power consumption.
And 2x 1060 can buy right now, and vega will be easy to buy when?
Do you understand my point?
Undervolted or not

Your points make sense only for the Vega FE which, again, is a workstation card. You're comparing things that aren't really comparable. We need to wait for the consumer grade cards to arrive from Sapphire, MSI etc. and need for miner devs like Wolf0 to optimize their miners for the cards. Once undervolting and bios mods are possible on the Vegas, I'm confident they will be very competitive GPUS.

[thesavoyard]

Given that Ethereum refugees are fleeing and driving difficulty up to unprofitability on most alts. I'll say Vega won't see a large mining sale. Currently, AMD is a burden on mining, not enough coins where they excel.

[Marvell1]

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

[fmz89]

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

No, the scared money, the herd, is sticking with Nvidia. Follow the herd and you get what they do... which usually amounts to not much.

real power consumption on your vega card, arround?default and undervolt?

[jstefanop]

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

No, the scared money, the herd, is sticking with Nvidia. Follow the herd and you get what they do... which usually amounts to not much.

real power consumption on your vega card, arround?default and undervolt?

It does ethereum in comparable power to an RX 580 (140 watts). This is down clocked to like 900 MHz, undervolted, and doing ~33mh.

Im at siggraph right now and will be at the RX Vega launch event and meeting Raja later...hopefully Ill have an RX Vega to play with soon

[thesavoyard]

Here's a previous thread about Vega, seems to be an underperformer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2000861.msg19923919#msg19923919

[Metroid]

Thats' BS, Vega will probably be around 750-800 USD.

I'm shooting at $400. if performance is lower than 1080 then $400 is the maximum it will cost.

Looks like I got the price right.

[KaydenC]

Thats' BS, Vega will probably be around 750-800 USD.

I'm shooting at $400. if performance is lower than 1080 then $400 is the maximum it will cost.

Looks like I got the price right.

$499 for full 64CU chip
$399 for 56CU chip

Vega 56 has about 20% lower memory bandwidth due to lower HBM2 clock speeds. I'm curious whether it can be OC-ed to match the Vega 64 HBM speeds, or it's like the Rx480 4gb vs 8gb cards, where 4gb ram cannot clock as high.

But damn 295W TDP, can't even fit 6 of them using an Evga 1600T2, sure we can undervolt but it is pushing the limit. Because of this reason I may go with the 56CU chip with 210W TDP.

https://videocardz.com/71430/amd-announces-radeon-rx-vega-64-series

One thing I'm certain, Vega will never have a worse hash to watt ratio after optimizations. AMD have to pull off a bulldozer for this to happen.

[NameTaken]

Looks like the Vega family of GPUs will be available starting Aug. 14th so should I hold off buying more 1080 Tis?

[64dimensions]

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

No, the scared money, the herd, is sticking with Nvidia. Follow the herd and you get what they do... which usually amounts to not much.

Wolf,

I have to disagree on this point. The technical risk (hardware/software) of a 1070, 1080 ti hardware and software mining solution is completely known. Everyone knows what suppliers to go to. The 1070, 1080 ti IMHO has been a solution for several months for the average miner with no inside info.

1) Overall schedule slippage for the vega PC GPU is a major risk factor. The more the schedule slips, the less POW mining is left on the ETH coin.

a)  One type of schedule slippage is that the average miner will be at the back of the queue for quantity deliveries.

b) At this point what little is known is that the vega software in some fashion will have to be modded. The average miner will certainly not be at the head of the queue for the best software mods.

c) Another sort of schedule slippage is the usual sorting out:

i) Of GPU suppliers, this is still months into the future.

ii) GPU configurations.

Let's say that the 1070 and the 1080 ti are only an 80% solution. Well these 80% solutions has been on the ROI highway for at least 1 to 2 months.

Finally, as someone who is a believer in the 1080 ti card and as others have pointed out, if VEGA turns out to be "The Next GPU Platform", we can migrate to Vega and the resale value of the 1080 ti out this point will hold up well.

Your technical pronouncements are useful to the high end, high dollar mining factories that are your customers, they are not very useful to the average miner IMHO.

[SubZer0]

Just read about it to in the news, the 399,- version is a good price but i don't think it's a good mining card.
But if that is the case you will see the prices go up, and also nobody knows yet what the hashing speed will be.

@NameTaken So not sure to wait for this or go for the 1080ti's.

But the energy the cards produce worries me..  

Also i saw there was a NANO version  
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/815088-amd-rx-vega-nano-gpu-teased/

[philipma1957]

I all comes down to price , availability and power usage , yeah the hash rate and mods by miner devs are important

but no one knows what the true combination of thosw three factors are, for now the smart money is sticking with nvidia

No, the scared money, the herd, is sticking with Nvidia. Follow the herd and you get what they do... which usually amounts to not much.

Wolf,

I have to disagree on this point. The technical risk (hardware/software) of a 1070, 1080 ti hardware and software mining solution is completely known. Everyone knows what suppliers to go to. The 1070, 1080 ti IMHO has been a solution for several months for the average miner with no inside info.

1) Overall schedule slippage for the vega PC GPU is a major risk factor. The more the schedule slips, the less POW mining is left on the ETH coin.

a)  One type of schedule slippage is that the average miner will be at the back of the queue for quantity deliveries.

b) At this point what little is known is that the vega software in some fashion will have to be modded. The average miner will certainly not be at the head of the queue for the best software mods.

c) Another sort of schedule slippage is the usual sorting out:

i) Of GPU suppliers, this is still months into the future.

ii) GPU configurations.

Let's say that the 1070 and the 1080 ti are only an 80% solution. Well these 80% solutions has been on the ROI highway for at least 1 to 2 months.

Finally, as someone who is a believer in the 1080 ti card and as others have pointed out, if VEGA turns out to be "The Next GPU Platform", we can migrate to Vega and the resale value of the 1080 ti out this point will hold up well.

Your technical pronouncements are useful to the high end, high dollar mining factories that are your customers, they are not very useful to the average miner IMHO.

Well reasoned.  I can see Wolf's viewpoint as it will hurt his business model.  At Wolf I hot rodded about 1000 Mac mini's from 2006 to 2013  Apple built the 2014 mac mini and the business died.  You may be lucky enough to mod the amd vega to out preform the 1080 ti  but it looks like the card builders  have your business model in their scope sites.

been there  I hope you can keep up your extensive mods  with the amd cards.

I made the switch to nvidia in April  scoped out a few good coins and my 1080 ti's are paid for.

My hope is the amd vega bombs as a miner for all but guys like you  as it would help my resale value of the 1080 ti's.

[NameTaken]

The Frontier Edition has been out for a while now and from people who have them, seems like even getting the miner to recognize it is a challenge. Assuming it does, I have not seen any miner updates for optimization. In addition, AMD is selling the new cards only in bundles to avoid miners.

[dadesu]

Looks like the Vega family of GPUs will be available starting Aug. 14th so should I hold off buying more 1080 Tis?

Don't warry, if vega is good then will be imposible to buy one. And if they are not good for mining then you also don't need to warry about them
I am very sceptic about vega pricing, look like they will be cheaper then rx 580, and that is imposible
In any case I will buy few of them for one rig just to try, but for now thay are not looking good for mining.

[jpouza]

Looks like the Vega family of GPUs will be available starting Aug. 14th so should I hold off buying more 1080 Tis?

It would be a good thing just wait to see how the Vega RX are going to perform in the mining field, we know they're a little different from the Frontier Edition, so let's wait and see it.

[KaydenC]

Now, you're assuming miner optimizations for Vega are the only thing that can be done... If the only thing I could get out of a Vega card at the end of the day (say my Vega FE) - when all done, was 50MH/s, I would consider it a personal failure.

Curious, will you be releasing your miner closed source with dev fee? What do you think the theoretical limit of Vega 64 is in terms of eth/monero/zcash mining? Thanks 

[Marvell1]

Now, you're assuming miner optimizations for Vega are the only thing that can be done... If the only thing I could get out of a Vega card at the end of the day (say my Vega FE) - when all done, was 50MH/s, I would consider it a personal failure.

Curious, will you be releasing your miner closed source with dev fee? What do you think the theoretical limit of Vega 64 is in terms of eth/monero/zcash mining? Thanks 

I loled

[eckmar]

As of latest news, looks like AMD does not care about miners anymore. They started selling their cards in bundles with cpu and motherboard at discounted prices

[leowonderful]

Vega 56 could be very nice for mining considering how much it costs, current TFLOPS, and the fact that AMD highlighted optimizing the card for mining in a release slide. Mining seems to be winding down for some but Vega could help revitalize mining again. I'll wait until some miners bench the card first before buying, though.