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November 17, 2019, 01:52:10 AM
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I want to point out that the only way someone could have this information is if they are conducting de-facto surveillance on the entire forum on an ongoing basis. There is no other way to detect the start/end dates of signature campaign like this, nor the 'users', 'posts', and 'deleted' columns. This is further evidence that all posts made by anyone is being collected (surveilled). This is evidence that this person has a database of every post in the forum.

I have been unable to not rule out anything this person is doing except conducting surveillance on forum members.

I consider this to be especially ironic considering that ChipMixer is paying this person to advertise a service that claims to have "reinvented mixing for your *privacy*". I think this makes about as much sense as Casey Anthony advertising for a product that claims to keep your young children safe.


Just my two sats...

If you make a post on a forum for people to read, don't complain that people (or bots) are reading them. Simple as that. If you wish to make anonymous posts, your best bet is to either keep registering new accounts or use an alternative board like 4chan.

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November 17, 2019, 01:57:49 AM
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I want to point out that the only way someone could have this information is if they are conducting de-facto surveillance on the entire forum on an ongoing basis. There is no other way to detect the start/end dates of signature campaign like this, nor the 'users', 'posts', and 'deleted' columns. This is further evidence that all posts made by anyone is being collected (surveilled). This is evidence that this person has a database of every post in the forum.

I have been unable to not rule out anything this person is doing except conducting surveillance on forum members.

I consider this to be especially ironic considering that ChipMixer is paying this person to advertise a service that claims to have "reinvented mixing for your *privacy*". I think this makes about as much sense as Casey Anthony advertising for a product that claims to keep your young children safe.


Just my two sats...

If you make a post on a forum for people to read, don't complain that people (or bots) are reading them. Simple as that. If you wish to make anonymous posts, your best bet is to either keep registering new accounts or use an alternative board like 4chan.
I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

I guess the cigarette companies would know who would be good candidates that would need lung cancer insurance for them to sell on the inside of the box...

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November 17, 2019, 02:15:01 AM
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Your point would have been valid if he was attempting the collection of personal information, however, none of the data in all the topics you linked here are personal or private, this is all public information which is/was available for anyone with a cheap VPS to store, the interpretation of this public data remains a free-choice, everyone can do whatever they want with it as long as it does not violate any rule/law.

To put this in another form, knowing when someone joined/left a signature campaign or deleted x number of posts within x period of time does nothing to their privacy.

If you think this is sort of privacy invasion,then linking alt accounts using their BTC or eth address is even worse, and I think most people do that ,and nobody complained.

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November 17, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

So, go to another forum and hope that no one scrapes publicly available information. This is a 'problem' with the forum administration, so I suppose you could consider making a thread in Meta to petition theymos to ban those scraping posts. Pretty much every forum has Google/Bing crawlers that essentially perform mass collection of posts for indexing purposes. Reddit has user created mass collection of posts too.


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November 17, 2019, 02:57:36 AM
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I want to point out that the only way someone could have this information is if they are conducting de-facto surveillance on the entire forum on an ongoing basis. There is no other way to detect the start/end dates of signature campaign like this, nor the 'users', 'posts', and 'deleted' columns. This is further evidence that all posts made by anyone is being collected (surveilled). This is evidence that this person has a database of every post in the forum.

What a horrible person, collects public information and uses it for horrible purposes too. Put him on the distrust list ASAP.

Not sure why you buried this earth-shattering expose in this thread though. File a proper scam accusation. Preferably along with the real reason why you're concerned about this.

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November 17, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

What do you call what Google or any other search engine is doing?

Your claims are juste as pointless as usual.

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November 18, 2019, 01:17:31 AM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

Lol, please define forum.  A collections of posts, maybe?  All publicly accessible posts?   Roll Eyes

I think this just became number one on QuickSeller's List of Asinine Accusations.

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November 18, 2019, 01:56:32 AM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

Lol, please define forum.  A collections of posts, maybe?  All publicly accessible posts?   Roll Eyes

I think this just became number one on QuickSeller's List of Asinine Accusations.
Posts made in the forum are visible for all, excludes special boards for staffs and VIP members (as far as I know). Everyone have rights to use quote button to quote posts and they can save, scrap, archive any post they want.

If one care about their privacy, just don't use public forum or don't post personal information publicly.
As I read from the Welcome message by theymos, the forum is a place for discussion, not private or secret discussion.
This forum exists to provide a platform for the free (but ordered) exchange of ideas. If you have an idea to express, then it is probably possible to do it here as long as you follow the rules.





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November 18, 2019, 02:36:11 AM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.
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If the posts weren't collected, we wouldn't be able to read them.

Your issue seems to be that they are collected more than once, which is what happens when we post things on the internet.

Really should be a Meta thread though.  Can we take it there?  Def an interesting topic.

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November 18, 2019, 02:49:20 PM
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I'll be joining this campaign as a volunteer, i've searched all over Bitcoin Talk and this remains the greatest campaign ever.
I'll be wearing the Signature for Free till i get a place, maybe  Kiss .
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November 18, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
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Quote from: FaucetKING link=topic=1935179.msg53111471#msg53111471
I'll be joining this campaign as a volunteer, i've searched all over Bitcoin Talk and this remains the greatest campaign ever.
I'll be wearing the Signature for Free till i get a place, maybe  Kiss .
Welcome to the club, but most likely it will not increase your chances to get accepted. Best wishes for you by the way.





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November 18, 2019, 02:55:48 PM
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I'll be joining this campaign as a volunteer, i've searched all over Bitcoin Talk and this remains the greatest campaign ever.
I'll be wearing the Signature for Free till i get a place, maybe  Kiss .

I've heard of the adage "Dress for the job you want, not for the job you have", but this might be taking things a step too far.   Roll Eyes

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November 18, 2019, 03:05:17 PM
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Quote from: FaucetKING link=topic=1935179.msg53111471#msg53111471
I'll be joining this campaign as a volunteer, i've searched all over Bitcoin Talk and this remains the greatest campaign ever.
I'll be wearing the Signature for Free till i get a place, maybe  Kiss .
Welcome to the club, but most likely it will not increase your chances to get accepted. Best wishes for you by the way.
I know, nobody knows what could happen when the days pass by. I tried to apply two times in the past i think, it didn't work. I'm doing this to fix some issues i did in the past, not mainly for the ca$h.

I'll be joining this campaign as a volunteer, i've searched all over Bitcoin Talk and this remains the greatest campaign ever.
I'll be wearing the Signature for Free till i get a place, maybe  Kiss .

I've heard of the adage "Dress for the job you want, not for the job you have", but this might be taking things a step too far.   Roll Eyes
Hohohh, you made me laugh for a sec. That's true, i'm taking things far beyond the logic but it's still good to do such acts or am i wrong?
Tom Bodett once said: “They say a person needs just three things to be truly happy in this world: someone to love, something to do, and something to hope for.” - I guess that you know what i'm hoping for right now, huh?  Roll Eyes
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Last edit: November 18, 2019, 03:47:42 PM by suchmoon
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Really should be a Meta thread though.  Can we take it there?  Def an interesting topic.

Quicksy is not interested in the "topic", he's just interested in taking potshots at some users (and perhaps some signature campaigns along the way; if DarkStar_ has rejected him or his alt at some point that would be a sufficient reason to set him off in this particular thread).

Using his alt account he's praising my twin triplet brother LoyceV for doing basically the same thing - collecting public info from Bitcointalk. Now we just need e_o_l_e_o to scrape something and you'll see Panthers52 completing the schizo show.

Edit: I stand corrected - he's in favor of scraping usernames but not posts.

tl;dr: avoid feeding the troll unless absolutely necessary for crossing a bridge.

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I want to point out that the only way someone could have this information is if they are conducting de-facto surveillance on the entire forum on an ongoing basis. There is no other way to detect the start/end dates of signature campaign like this, nor the 'users', 'posts', and 'deleted' columns. This is further evidence that all posts made by anyone is being collected (surveilled). This is evidence that this person has a database of every post in the forum.

I have been unable to not rule out anything this person is doing except conducting surveillance on forum members.

I consider this to be especially ironic considering that ChipMixer is paying this person to advertise a service that claims to have "reinvented mixing for your *privacy*". I think this makes about as much sense as Casey Anthony advertising for a product that claims to keep your young children safe.


Just my two sats...

If you make a post on a forum for people to read, don't complain that people (or bots) are reading them. Simple as that. If you wish to make anonymous posts, your best bet is to either keep registering new accounts or use an alternative board like 4chan.

What I do
  • I scrape posts within seconds, but upload them in batches every minute.
  • The list of posts per user is updated once a day (5:50 AM Amsterdam time) > This is still messy, I'm working on it!
  • Files are stored with their post number as file name. I use the first 4 digits as directory name, then upload 10,000 files per directory. You're going to want to use CTRL-F Tongue


You're glowing..

I also think it is slightly hair-raisingly Orwellian but on the other hand it is publicly free information, LoyceV puts much of it to good use, and should serve as a good reminder, or wake up call, to all users, that everything you post may very well be there forever, so watch yourselves..  

Besides, not to knock LoyceV but I bet the government, or whatever big tech companies are assisting the spy agencies, have much better scrapers than LoyceV does, have more data, have more accurate data, and have already been doing it for much more time..


I also see irony at times in what some users advertise VS what beliefs said users seem to display in their postings..
To me Bitcoin is mainly a tool of liberty given to us to escape government oppression, while mixers like ChipMixer are side tools which makes the main tool (BTC) more powerful or easier to employ for those purposes..
Be it buying/selling drugs on DNMs while illegal in your jurisdiction, hiding or keeping your nest egg fund safe from banks or governments, or fleeing a genocidal government without abandoning all of your wealth..

Imagine for a moment if Jews in the holocaust had the great tool of Bitcoin available to them (along with supporting tools such as ChipMixer)..
They could have sent funds abroad to aid in their rescue instead of it being confiscated by the Nazi government, they could have fled to safety and kept their wealth with them in Bitcoin rather than fleeing with nothing to fund their journey, or could have remembered a few words in their heads to save what wealth/value they had instead of only being able to hide insignificant amounts of jewelry up their asses..
I think Bitcoin can be a very powerful tool against evil..

The irony comes in where some strictly advocate following the exact letter of the law of whatever jurisdiction a person is in, while others are here from countries that Bitcoin is completely illegal and nobody bats an eye at that..

I think it is highly likely that you DarkStar_ are even employing some of these users while it is illegal in their jurisdictions or situations to participate in this campaign..
But that's OK because it is "moral" right? But "moral" (and legal) according to who?
Moral and legal according to the US constitution? The current US government? Kim Jong Un? Ali Khamenei? Xi Jinping? Or cypherpunk anarchists?
Lot of room for irony..
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November 21, 2019, 07:19:31 AM
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I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

So, go to another forum and hope that no one scrapes publicly available information. This is a 'problem' with the forum administration, so I suppose you could consider making a thread in Meta to petition theymos to ban those scraping posts. Pretty much every forum has Google/Bing crawlers that essentially perform mass collection of posts for indexing purposes. Reddit has user created mass collection of posts too.
You are missing the point. Google/Bing takes what they scrape and incorporates it into a publicly facing service. Ditto with pushshift.io. You didn't mention this, but ditto with LoyceV. Suchmoon on the other hand is not running a publicly facing service.

Maybe a better way of explaining the situation is like this: sites such as walletexplorer, and entities such as  Chainalysis, and others who analyze blockchain data to group transactions to be belonging to a single person/entity are using public information that anyone can look at, however they nonetheless attempting to harm the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. Their goal is to reduce the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. The business model of ChipMixer, the entity that is paying everyone in this thread to advertise for them, is to get people to pay/donate in exchange to be able to maintain their privacy while using Bitcoin. Obviously ChipMixer would not sponsor an entity such as Chainalysis to attempt to break the privacy of Bitcoin users.

Similarly, suchmoon is using publicly available information to reduce the privacy of forum users. She is not providing any kind of publicly facing service with the information she collects. It would not be unreasonable to ask what she is doing with this information, but that is another discussion. Paying suchmoon to advertise for ChipMixer is akin to ChipMixer sponsoring Chainalysis.

I believe that ChipMixer paying suchmoon to advertise their services is enough to question just how much ChipMixer is committed to ensuring the privacy of their users.

I am not aware of any other forum in which the mass collection of posts are allowed.

Lol, please define forum.  A collections of posts, maybe?  All publicly accessible posts?   Roll Eyes

I think this just became number one on QuickSeller's List of Asinine Accusations.
Posts made in the forum are visible for all, excludes special boards for staffs and VIP members (as far as I know). Everyone have rights to use quote button to quote posts and they can save, scrap, archive any post they want.

If one care about their privacy, just don't use public forum or don't post personal information publicly.
As I read from the Welcome message by theymos, the forum is a place for discussion, not private or secret discussion.
This forum exists to provide a platform for the free (but ordered) exchange of ideas. If you have an idea to express, then it is probably possible to do it here as long as you follow the rules.
It is trivial for someone to look at one post, or one thread and read what it says. It is not however trivial to look at a 1,000 or 100,000 posts or threads and look at what they all say. That is the difference. If someone were to setup many cameras on Main Street in your city, and on other adjacent streets, and use facial recognization software to look at who visits the downtown area, and where they go, the fact that all information being taken is public doesn't change the fact that these people's privacy is being invaded.


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Anyone can start scraping this forum, the barrier of entry is very low. The barrier of entry to start a company similar to Chainalysis is much higher, probably in the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries for a marketable MVP, ditto for camera projects like the one you're describing.

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November 21, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
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You are missing the point. Google/Bing takes what they scrape and incorporates it into a publicly facing service. Ditto with pushshift.io. You didn't mention this, but ditto with LoyceV. Suchmoon on the other hand is not running a publicly facing service.

Maybe a better way of explaining the situation is like this: sites such as walletexplorer, and entities such as  Chainalysis, and others who analyze blockchain data to group transactions to be belonging to a single person/entity are using public information that anyone can look at, however they nonetheless attempting to harm the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. Their goal is to reduce the privacy of those who use Bitcoin. The business model of ChipMixer, the entity that is paying everyone in this thread to advertise for them, is to get people to pay/donate in exchange to be able to maintain their privacy while using Bitcoin. Obviously ChipMixer would not sponsor an entity such as Chainalysis to attempt to break the privacy of Bitcoin users.


I think this subject really deserves its own topic . Not about suchmoon x quickseller, but about analysis on public/private data.

Google Bing are not using only public data, they use private data as well (as your search history, email content, history of downloaded apps etc) , and they work with those data. This is completely different.

Services like wallet explorers are not harming users privacy imo. If you decided to publicize your personal data, anyone is free to work with this data. You should be worried about your privacy before  , not after you post it. If you care about it, use a mixer and wallet explorer can't harm you anymore. I believe that wallet explorer may be even good for Privacy services like chipmixer, as it shows your privacy leeks and points of failure.  It is better to know where your privacy is weak than to just ignore it.

The analysis wallet explorer does can be easily done by anyone who wants to investigate you. If you can investigate yourself for free, you know where and how they can find you. And you can work with that

Making data analysis on forum posts doesn't harm anyone's privacy imo as well.

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November 21, 2019, 02:45:09 PM
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Services like wallet explorers are not harming users privacy imo.

Yeah... so long as they aren't sharing with anyone any information regarding their users' usage habits. And a lot can be gleaned.

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November 21, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
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Services like wallet explorers are not harming users privacy imo.

Well, the block explorer services can theoretically tie in the wallet addresses and transaction IDs you've looked up to your IP address. Might not be much, but it's still something. It wouldn't hurt be safe than sorry by using Tor. Juuuust to be extra sure.

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