DT1 Changes

[Lauda]

I wonder why nobody has created a thread on the DT1 change yet. BadBear is no longer part of DT1, and it seems that some users who were listed in their list are also gone. I'm guessing that as a replacement, hilariousandco was added.
This raises the question: Why did this happen? If it is the inactivity, then I wonder why e.g. DeaDTerra is still in that list (who is also arguably a scammer)?

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[Quickseller]

I think there was one or two users on BadBear's trust list that theymos did not want in the DT network, and it seems that he did not address this as of when he logged in last April.

This is of course speculation (somewhat) -- it is also possible that BadBear had requested to be removed from being trusted directly by DefaultTrust

I know that hilariousandco had wanted to be trusted directly by DefaultTrust as of a long time ago, and I presume that he still wishes to be so....I am somewhat surprised that he was added without having any kind of a trust list. It seems that he is helping with non-perm bans, so it would make sense for him to be trusted by DefaultTrust.

[ibminer]

It just happened earlier today and I believe was related to the nachius removal, who was on BadBear's trust list. Didn't seem necessary to create a whole thread about it but theymos moved most of BadBear's trust list to his own, excluding nachius and maybe some others?

[Lauda]

It seems that he is helping with non-perm bans, so it would make sense for him to be trusted by DefaultTrust.

Further centralization of an already centralized list. Maybe it will be renamed to DefaultStaff in a few years.

It just happened earlier today and I believe was related to the nachius removal, who was on BadBear's trust list.

I disagree. That person could have been removed differently.

Didn't seem necessary to create a whole thread about it but theymos moved most of BadBear's trust list to his own, excluding nachius and maybe some others?

It did. I want to know whether inactivity plays a role or was it something else. In the case of the former, there is more cleaning up to do.

[minifrij]

In regards to DeaDTerra being on DT1, I think it's fair to assume that most people on his trust list are there for no other reason than to solidify his trust score.

To show this, here is DeaDTerra's trust score on the Default Trust network:

And here is DeaDTerra's trust score when ~DeaDTerra is added to my trust list:


When looking at the users on DeaDTerra's trust page, the majority have little to no other interactions with the trust system. These people do not deserve to be on the DT network.
I think we all know what happened last time someone did something like this, and I think it is only fair that something like this happens again.

[Lauda]

In regards to DeaDTerra being on DT1, I think it's fair to assume that most people on his trust list are there for no other reason than to solidify his trust score.

To show this, here is DeaDTerra's trust score on the Default Trust network:

And here is DeaDTerra's trust score when ~DeaDTerra is added to my trust list:


When looking at the users on DeaDTerra's trust page, the majority have little to no other interactions with the trust system. These people do not deserve to be on the DT network.
I think we all know what happened last time someone did something like this, and I think it is only fair that something like this happens again.

Nice analysis! My initial concerns regarding DeaDTerra were:
1) His inactivity.
2) His alleged scam.

I did briefly look over his trust list, but did not look deep enough into it to realize that he was essentially another example of CITM farming trust. Any of those accounts could be compromised and used for malicious deeds.
Theymos, why have you not removed this person from DT?

[Lauda]

Bump. Theymos can you comment on DeaDTerra?

[killyou73]

Bump. Theymos can you comment on DeaDTerra?

Shouldn't a direct question to a user that as not posted on a thread be sent to their private message? I don't think that theymos reads every single thread posted.

[minifrij]

I don't think that theymos reads every single thread posted.

You would expect that the admin of the forum to pay at least some attention to the threads posted in the section specifically for forum matters, would you not?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't think that theymos reads every single thread posted.

You would expect that the admin of the forum to pay at least some attention to the threads posted in the section specifically for forum matters, would you not?

Normally, you would assume that.  With Theymos, though, I'm not so sure.  He's obviously pretty laissez faire about this sort of thing.  If he wasn't, there's no way scammers wouldn't be banned here.  Every other forum I know of doesn't tolerate scammers.

Anyone know why badbear isn't on DT1 anymore?  I've not had any interactions with him, but I know he's a pretty big deal on this forum and I'm curious.  The whole default trust concept is a crock of poo, but I won't even get into that and my opinion is meaningless anyway.  Look at how many DT members have ended up scamming.

[Lauda]

Shouldn't a direct question to a user that as not posted on a thread be sent to their private message? I don't think that theymos reads every single thread posted.

I've done that after you've posted. Doesn't seem effective so far.

Normally, you would assume that.  With Theymos, though, I'm not so sure.  He's obviously pretty laissez faire about this sort of thing.  If he wasn't, there's no way scammers wouldn't be banned here.  Every other forum I know of doesn't tolerate scammers.

I would consider the DeaDTerra situation somewhat urgent. It is quite possible that he/she owns some of those accounts that were added solely to boost their own score. If you don't consider this urgent right now, would you consider it if the account suddenly woke up?

Anyone know why badbear isn't on DT1 anymore?

Inactivity and unmaintained trust list is my first guess. Adding hilariousandco does not seem to make much sense to me.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I would consider the DeaDTerra situation somewhat urgent. It is quite possible that he/she owns some of those accounts that were added solely to boost their own score. If you don't consider this urgent right now, would you consider it if the account suddenly woke up?

I'm just giving my unsolicited, cranky-ass opinion without knowing all of the facts, as usual.  Don't mind me, I woke up on the wrong side of life again today. 

But yeah, that all sounds suspicious, i.e., could be a setup to scam somebody.  Nothing would surprise me on this forum as far as that's concerned. 

I did not realize badbear hadn't been inactive--as I said, I've had no dealings with him, ever.

[Blazed]

Those DT1 guys are idiots... I say remove them all for new ones!

[OgNasty]

Those DT1 guys are idiots... I say remove them all for new ones!

 

[Quickseller]

Anyone know why badbear isn't on DT1 anymore?

It was most likely in order to remove nachius from the DefaultTrust network (the same with boelens).

theymos wanted both nachius and beolens removed from the DefaultTrust network, as they were sold account. The fact that nachius was more or less actively scamming made the situation somewhat urgent, and I guess theymos did not want to wait for BadBear to take an unknown amount of time to respond. I am not sure if theymos communicated to BadBear about beolens or not, however BadBear had kept boelens in his trust list despite it being controlled by me.

From what I can tell, theymos added everyone in BadBear's trust list to his own trust list with the exception of nachius, boelens (myself), and jonald_fyookball. I cannot say with certainty one way or another if jonald_fyookball is a sold account, however the current owner is very much a 'big block' supporter, and very much against the "core" development team -- I certainly hope this did not play into theymos' decision to not add jonald_fyookball to his trust list (I have no evidence to suggest this decision was based on politics).

In regards to DeaDTerra, AFAIK, there have not been any problems with his trust list to date, unlike CITM (and to a much lesser extent, BadBear -- very much lesser extent), and there is really not anyone reputable calling for his removal, so I really don't see the need to remove DeaDTerra. I have never had any problems trying to get a response from theymos, and from what I can tell, he will frequently respond to legitimate concerns privately (and address legitimate issues privately). Theymos is in no way accountable to Lauda, so he is not required to provide with with an explanation regarding his decision(s). 

[minifrij]

I certainly hope this did not play into theymos' decision to not add jonald_fyookball to his trust list (I have no evidence to suggest this decision was based on politics).

Not that it particularly matters. If theymos doesn't trust a user then he shouldn't add this user to his trust list, as with any other member of DT1. Similarly, if anyone else on the DT1 list wants a user to be on the DT network, they can add said user to their trust list.

In regards to DeaDTerra, AFAIK, there have not been any problems with his trust list to date

Do you not agree that having a number of users that are vulnerable to be compromised on the DT network is an issue? Do you not agree that a user should not be added to the trust list simply for transacting with another user on DT1?

and there is really not anyone reputable calling for his removal

Reputation is subjective.

I have never had any problems trying to get a response from theymos, and from what I can tell, he will frequently respond to legitimate concerns privately (and address legitimate issues privately). Theymos is in no way accountable to Lauda, so he is not required to provide with with an explanation regarding his decision(s). 

If Lauda was complaining that theymos wasn't answering them privately on this issue I would agree with you. However, due to this issue being raised publicly, do you not think that the administrator should at least give a reason for allowing someone to bloat the DT network with users that serve no other purpose than to be potential issues?

[Lauda]

From what I can tell, theymos added everyone in BadBear's trust list to his own trust list with the exception of nachius, boelens (myself), and jonald_fyookball.

Another DT account in control of a scammer such as yourself; were you planning to sell it as well?

I cannot say with certainty one way or another if jonald_fyookball is a sold account, however the current owner is very much a 'big block' supporter, and very much against the "core" development team -- I certainly hope this did not play into theymos' decision to not add jonald_fyookball to his trust list (I have no evidence to suggest this decision was based on politics).

Jonald is a paid baboon with zero contributions to this community (at least not the person in control the last year or so). He had zero reason to be on DT to begin with.

In regards to DeaDTerra, AFAIK, there have not been any problems with his trust list to date, unlike CITM (and to a much lesser extent, BadBear -- very much lesser extent), and there is really not anyone reputable calling for his removal, so I really don't see the need to remove DeaDTerra.

So, unless someone reputable is calling for his removal, the other calls don't matter? Nice logical fallacy snowflake.

I have never had any problems trying to get a response from theymos, and from what I can tell, he will frequently respond to legitimate concerns privately (and address legitimate issues privately).

TIL: Theymos is more likely to answer PMs from a scammer than from his own staff members (back in the days/affecting others as well). That's extremely responsible behavior for the legacy of satoshi and sirius.

[ibminer]

I have never had any problems trying to get a response from theymos, and from what I can tell, he will frequently respond to legitimate concerns privately (and address legitimate issues privately).

TIL: Theymos is more likely to answer PMs from a scammer than from his own staff members (back in the days/affecting others as well). That's extremely responsible behavior for the legacy of satoshi and sirius.

I've gotten selective responses. My statement might be "theymos selectively answers PMs based on what he currently has a solution or answer for". I get the feeling if he doesn't have an answer or there is an obstacle, no response will come.

It's a love-hate relationship but I've gotten some responses and some unanswered/ignored. I've had the same situation with other members on this forum, members which I would have expected to get responses from, more so than theymos. I haven't fully determined with some of these members if they just don't like me, do not have a good answer, or maybe scared to answer for fear they will be put in a negative light?  Not entirely sure yet with some of them, but it's all good... "I can forgive, I just can't forget." -DMX  

I am personally confident nachius was a trigger for the removal of BadBear from DT1. I could speculate on additional reasonings for the removal but there may be more than one reason, which I'd say would include inactivity, but the move appears to be an example of killing multiple birds with one stone.

I am also concerned about potential issues with DeaDTerra but nachius was a more urgent situation due to the recent activity. I could pull some speculations out of my hat trying to explain DeaDTerra but none of them are going to be very good and won't be helpful to this thread. It's anyones guess as to the reasoning behind leaving him on DT1, I have to assume there is a reason... but this obviously isn't the first time this account has been brought up, and I doubt it will be the last. The good news is, the account isn't active but I'm generally a fan of being proactive and not waiting for a scam to occur.  


Separate note: A new "Patrol" button to single out posts made by accounts recently woken up would be nice.

[minifrij]

DeaDTerra has been removed from DT1. Thank you theymos.

[numanoid]

DeaDTerra has been removed from DT1. Thank you theymos.

Also, he is back...

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