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May 30, 2017, 09:46:21 PM
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The reason why it's hard to stop ISIS is because they aren't single military force, of course they can bomb their headquarters but that won't get them anywhere. What I mean by that is you can see the suicide bombers and stuff, let's put it like this, there is at least one suicide bomber in 10.000 people(for example), therefore it's really hard to track them down or get rid of them all at the same time, hence why ISIS can't disappear overnight, and they need them for oil too so yeah.
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May 30, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

Duertete  or whatever his name is should deal with this problem before killing drug dealers who can be eventually reformed. I don't think Terrorism is going to end soon, there is always someone out there who feels aggravated by something and always to do something about it.



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May 31, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

Short answer is no, it will not end anytime soon. Violence is quite efficient way to further political goals.

Long answer goes all the way back to the concept of first sin. All human beings were gifted with free will to find their own way to salvation, BUT also to commit evil if they decide for it. We may eventually call terrorism by different name, but it will never go completely away as long as there are human beings. Every generation will need to face its challenges, fight between good and evil. It is part of our nature.

However, I dont believe Phillipines in particular will become anything like Syria in near future. That particular conflict was inflamed from the outside and found support among local sunni Arabs, who make up half of entire population. In your country, I believe, there are how many? Maybe 6% of sunnis? All of them concentrated in the south and big cities.
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May 31, 2017, 01:38:08 AM
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

They are a subset of ISIS but only recently have they started to show allegiance to that in the area. Some negotiations between the idea of autonomy have reduced some rebel elements what remains was the more radical parts. I doubt they will be successful Duterte is from that zone and he knows what is up and will do his best to fix it, violence and all.
Will terrorism end perhaps if their are jobs and a real path forward for people to grow.

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May 31, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

Short answer is no, it will not end anytime soon. Violence is quite efficient way to further political goals.

Long answer goes all the way back to the concept of first sin. All human beings were gifted with free will to find their own way to salvation, BUT also to commit evil if they decide for it. We may eventually call terrorism by different name, but it will never go completely away as long as there are human beings. Every generation will need to face its challenges, fight between good and evil. It is part of our nature.

However, I dont believe Phillipines in particular will become anything like Syria in near future. That particular conflict was inflamed from the outside and found support among local sunni Arabs, who make up half of entire population. In your country, I believe, there are how many? Maybe 6% of sunnis? All of them concentrated in the south and big cities.
I do not share your optimism in this matter. What percentage of the population involved in the revolutions. Probably less than one. The consequences of this can be important for the whole country. 1% of the active population is much greater power than 99% of those who cowardly sit in their homes and wait it will all end.

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May 31, 2017, 01:14:34 PM
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Kebanyak kan Teroris selalu mengatas nama kan agama, semua yang dilakukan masyarakat dan pemerintah itu adalah sangat bertentangan dengan perintah tuhan nya.
Usaha yang harus dilakukan, didik lah penerus bangsa kita dengan mengkuat kan rasa nasionalisme, rasa satu kesatuan bangsa, dan rasa saling menghargai agama satu dan agama yang lain nya,,
Menurut saya kalau rasa kesatuan itu tinggi kemungkinan besar teroris itu akan berakhir.

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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

Short answer is no, it will not end anytime soon. Violence is quite efficient way to further political goals.

Long answer goes all the way back to the concept of first sin. All human beings were gifted with free will to find their own way to salvation, BUT also to commit evil if they decide for it. We may eventually call terrorism by different name, but it will never go completely away as long as there are human beings. Every generation will need to face its challenges, fight between good and evil. It is part of our nature.

However, I dont believe Phillipines in particular will become anything like Syria in near future. That particular conflict was inflamed from the outside and found support among local sunni Arabs, who make up half of entire population. In your country, I believe, there are how many? Maybe 6% of sunnis? All of them concentrated in the south and big cities.
I do not share your optimism in this matter. What percentage of the population involved in the revolutions. Probably less than one. The consequences of this can be important for the whole country. 1% of the active population is much greater power than 99% of those who cowardly sit in their homes and wait it will all end.
Well that is truth, i will not deny that. But that is truth, and goes as far as people that are like me who do not have wife or kids. It is a lot harder for people with family to take weapon and fight, unless there is an imminent treat. Civilian can only sit and wait, either for army to stop rebels, or for army to call civilians to fight too. Either way it is not that simple, like go and fight.

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May 31, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

I don't know where to start. But since you are from Mindanao, do you think that Maute group can be successful and the island be like Syria? Do you think that Duterte will allow that to happen? or any President of the Philippines for that matter?

Personally, this is far fetched, Mindanao has been a safe haven for terrorist, I agree with that. Its not only Maute that control Mindanao, there are MILF, MNLF and other group as well. But to overrun the whole Mindanao island, it will take the whole terrorist network to merge into one "super terrorist" group. Call them whatever you want. But I don't think this will happen simple because they have their own ideology, beliefs and principles. Even though they are all Muslims they are still conflicting with each other. And in worst case, even if they all merge, I don't think someone from the Palace will want this to happen. By all means, they will crush this, because who would like Mindanao to be the new Syria? Would you? I know your concerns because I'm a Filipino as well but the idea of Mindanao going to be the new Syria is baseless and will not happen. IMHO.



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May 31, 2017, 07:59:39 PM
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Terror itself is a scary word. Terrorism is a major player that pulling our economy down. Without peace and order, no community will really going to exist well. What Philippine Government now doing it to stop this. Lets hope that every Filipino will be part of this change for better.

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One thing I know, I hate it. Hope it will end soon.

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I do not think "terrorism" will ever end. The word in itself is an ideological play. The root of this issue is power and the exertion of it onto and over people. 5 types of terrorism State-Sponsored, Dissent, Religious, Criminal, Political. IMO In the west/western aligned world we are seeing religious/political terrorism in response to state-sponsored/criminal terrorism committed by our governments abroad all the while the "people" or non-elite have growing dissent with their respective governments. All in all very complex issue and will not be resolved as long as there are humans with conflicting interest and ways of life.
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I am a citizen of the Philippines, specifically in Mindanao group of island. This Maute Group(an alleged ally of ISIS) is terrorizing one of the city here in Mindanao and just started a war against the Philippine Army. Now, If these group will be successful, we would be like Syria. I wanna hear your opinions about these guys. thanks.

Short answer is no, it will not end anytime soon. Violence is quite efficient way to further political goals.

Long answer goes all the way back to the concept of first sin. All human beings were gifted with free will to find their own way to salvation, BUT also to commit evil if they decide for it. We may eventually call terrorism by different name, but it will never go completely away as long as there are human beings. Every generation will need to face its challenges, fight between good and evil. It is part of our nature.

However, I dont believe Phillipines in particular will become anything like Syria in near future. That particular conflict was inflamed from the outside and found support among local sunni Arabs, who make up half of entire population. In your country, I believe, there are how many? Maybe 6% of sunnis? All of them concentrated in the south and big cities.
I do not share your optimism in this matter. What percentage of the population involved in the revolutions. Probably less than one. The consequences of this can be important for the whole country. 1% of the active population is much greater power than 99% of those who cowardly sit in their homes and wait it will all end.

You can make the count with me, then  Wink 6% of Phillipinos are sunni muslims. Out of that number maybe 5% or violent radicals give or take (radicals are present in every society, just Islam is particularly forgiving towards them). So you have 0,3% of potentional jihadists in overall population of 100 million of whom vast majority are catholic Christians - who also know how to fight. I cant tell you, if there will ever be lasting peace, as sunni muslims are notoriously violent whenever they have to interact with foreign cultures and belief systems. What I can tell however is that Phillipines is not going to become caliphate. Not in the 21st century.

I think, you are not giving natives enough credit, sir. They elected government that took hard stance against these Arab funded sociopaths and... if things go south from here, I have no doubt, that administration will call all good men to arms.

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June 01, 2017, 03:26:22 AM
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The reason why it's hard to stop ISIS is because they aren't single military force, of course they can bomb their headquarters but that won't get them anywhere. What I mean by that is you can see the suicide bombers and stuff, let's put it like this, there is at least one suicide bomber in 10.000 people(for example), therefore it's really hard to track them down or get rid of them all at the same time, hence why ISIS can't disappear overnight, and they need them for oil too so yeah.

In order to destroy the ISIS, you need to target the ideology behind it. Assassinating their leaders or capturing territory from their hands is not going to help much in the long term. It is the Wahhabi ideology, which is causing trouble around the world.

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The reason why it's hard to stop ISIS is because they aren't single military force, of course they can bomb their headquarters but that won't get them anywhere. What I mean by that is you can see the suicide bombers and stuff, let's put it like this, there is at least one suicide bomber in 10.000 people(for example), therefore it's really hard to track them down or get rid of them all at the same time, hence why ISIS can't disappear overnight, and they need them for oil too so yeah.

In order to destroy the ISIS, you need to target the ideology behind it. Assassinating their leaders or capturing territory from their hands is not going to help much in the long term. It is the Wahhabi ideology, which is causing trouble around the world.

Or even more specifically its sponsors  Wink wahabism is state ideology of western aligned Saudi Arabia and also Quatar. Ideology in itself is not important as long as it doesnt have group of preachers backed by multi-billion dollar worth of donations. Saudi Arabia has both.

Yet, for worse countries such as United States and Israel can use Saudi air space on their leisure, while Iran is labelled as the bad guy of the region.

Sithara, I think the best way to target wahabism (and in hindsight help Phillipines among many others) is to bleed Saudis dry. You nailed it, right here. Keep the price of oil low - which is possible now, thanks to fracking, russian arctic resources and lift on Iran oil embargo.

Keeping the price of oil around 50 dollars per barrel bleeds Saudi treasury, puts pressure on its domestic situation, thus they can use far less money on spreading of their vile ideology, that bring the worst of out muslims world wide.

http://www.businessinsider.com/can-saudi-arabia-survive-with-oil-below-60-2017-1
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Sithara, I think the best way to target wahabism (and in hindsight help Phillipines among many others) is to bleed Saudis dry. You nailed it, right here. Keep the price of oil low - which is possible now, thanks to fracking, russian arctic resources and lift on Iran oil embargo.

Keeping the price of oil around 50 dollars per barrel bleeds Saudi treasury, puts pressure on its domestic situation, thus they can use far less money on spreading of their vile ideology, that bring the worst of out muslims world wide.

http://www.businessinsider.com/can-saudi-arabia-survive-with-oil-below-60-2017-1

I don't think that the Americans will be interested in this method. A large part of the money earned in Saudi Arabia ends up in the United States. Also, for the Americans, Saudi Arabia is an ally, while Russia and Iran are the rivals. They are never going to lift the sanctions and embargoes on Russia and Iran.

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Sithara, I think the best way to target wahabism (and in hindsight help Phillipines among many others) is to bleed Saudis dry. You nailed it, right here. Keep the price of oil low - which is possible now, thanks to fracking, russian arctic resources and lift on Iran oil embargo.

Keeping the price of oil around 50 dollars per barrel bleeds Saudi treasury, puts pressure on its domestic situation, thus they can use far less money on spreading of their vile ideology, that bring the worst of out muslims world wide.

http://www.businessinsider.com/can-saudi-arabia-survive-with-oil-below-60-2017-1

I don't think that the Americans will be interested in this method. A large part of the money earned in Saudi Arabia ends up in the United States. Also, for the Americans, Saudi Arabia is an ally, while Russia and Iran are the rivals. They are never going to lift the sanctions and embargoes on Russia and Iran.

Unfortunately, you are perhaps right. As long as local regime will be cooperative, United States will not turn against it completely. Last year Saudis sponsored Hillarys presidental bid by... 350 million US dollars, thank god it was for nothing in the end.

However, open hostility is not needed. As I showed in the article above - Saudi Arabia has no economy of its own except oil extraction and refinement. Keeping the price low enough could create enough domestic problems for their government and severely undermine its support for global jihad. All those preachers, mosques, bribes, fighters and weapons cost alot of money, that they might need to keep social unrest from happening. Shia minority is like wise presenting another problem for the theocracy.
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I think our country really need to implement mandatory army service like they have in South Korea. The wave of pacifism we've had in the past is not helping. They even got rid of reserve training in high school, saying it ended up with hazing, as if that's not already prevalent with just fraternities. We need to be prepared for any sudden disaster.

Sithara, I think the best way to target wahabism (and in hindsight help Phillipines among many others) is to bleed Saudis dry. You nailed it, right here. Keep the price of oil low - which is possible now, thanks to fracking, russian arctic resources and lift on Iran oil embargo.

Keeping the price of oil around 50 dollars per barrel bleeds Saudi treasury, puts pressure on its domestic situation, thus they can use far less money on spreading of their vile ideology, that bring the worst of out muslims world wide.

http://www.businessinsider.com/can-saudi-arabia-survive-with-oil-below-60-2017-1

I don't think that the Americans will be interested in this method. A large part of the money earned in Saudi Arabia ends up in the United States. Also, for the Americans, Saudi Arabia is an ally, while Russia and Iran are the rivals. They are never going to lift the sanctions and embargoes on Russia and Iran.

Unfortunately, you are perhaps right. As long as local regime will be cooperative, United States will not turn against it completely. Last year Saudis sponsored Hillarys presidental bid by... 350 million US dollars, thank god it was for nothing in the end.

However, open hostility is not needed. As I showed in the article above - Saudi Arabia has no economy of its own except oil extraction and refinement. Keeping the price low enough could create enough domestic problems for their government and severely undermine its support for global jihad. All those preachers, mosques, bribes, fighters and weapons cost alot of money, that they might need to keep social unrest from happening. Shia minority is like wise presenting another problem for the theocracy.

I did suspect something happened last year, with price going real down. It pretty much took away ISIS's income, as well as foment unrest in Venezuela. I wonder if America was backstabbing people again. Hit several birds in with a single stone if they did have a hand in it. I mean, it's understandable that the price would go down with the slowdown of demand from China but that doesn't explain why they failed to cut extraction quick enough. It took OPEC members months before they agreed to a limit.
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June 01, 2017, 11:33:50 AM
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I think greed is the main reason for terrorism.
People need to understand that they haven't brought anything to this world and they'll not take anything. Am not a saint or a person who donates everything what they have.
I just believe people are trying to acquire what they don't even know exist. I guess it's impossible to end the terrorism until people start thinking about other people.



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June 02, 2017, 05:00:39 AM
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However, open hostility is not needed. As I showed in the article above - Saudi Arabia has no economy of its own except oil extraction and refinement. Keeping the price low enough could create enough domestic problems for their government and severely undermine its support for global jihad. All those preachers, mosques, bribes, fighters and weapons cost alot of money, that they might need to keep social unrest from happening. Shia minority is like wise presenting another problem for the theocracy.

Saudi Arabia has plenty of money in its rainy day funds (close to $500 billion). Also, they can get a lot more, if they sell a part of the Aramco. Even at current prices, Aramco revenues are somewhere between $150 billion and $200 billion per year, and if the government remove the taxes, then the profit margin can be as much as 90%. They can sell the company for around $2 trillion.

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June 02, 2017, 07:24:30 PM
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....Last year Saudis sponsored Hillarys presidental bid by... 350 million US dollars.....

You sure about that?
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