Who won the bet

[coin@coin]

Oh boy, this is the second thread about this.

A lot of posting from many community members too, skimmed through to be honest.  

Why can't we all live and let live?

This is not even about someone getting scammed or a sale gone wrong.

Also 0.2 BTC for a pic of the back of the coins?

I mean whatever you guys do with your money... It's your money at the end of the day.

I think for the sake of this forum section as well as for potential new comers getting interested in physical crypto we should think twice before starting something like this. I understand if it's because a scam but when there isn't one... what does this solve/proves?

I know Tman and OGnasty as I have been around this forum for a while and have nothing against nor have had any problems with them.
They are both very active sellers and respectable community members.

However both have had some past issues and it shows from the passion coming out of their posts.
My suggestion: don't make yourself sound like children, because this is what it looks like to people who have no issues with the two in question.
It doesn't reflect well on this forum section IMOHO. Peace up!

totally agree with your points bud.. this isnt about 0.2BTC this is about one of the forums most trusted members abusing trust.

self escrowing is something that OG has stabbed at people for. The reason is situations like this.. I don't bet what I cannot afford to lose and this is not about winning a bet, I am sure some other members will speak up about my reckless spending of BTC.

anyway I will keep my potty mouth in check moving forwards, but this does not change the fact that OG is acting in a shady manner

I remember when I first came across this section of the forum with interest as a collector I was so amazed by the support coins manufacturers and community resellers were getting by everyone, it was a pleasure to read the various sale threads. The atmosphere was great. But since a while things have gone a bit haywire from that point of view, and I'm not considering this incident only.

It helps the community as a whole when a scammer is caught when, for instance, someone starts swiping loaded coins (see Coinographic, Alitin mint) and everyone chips in to help and figure things out swiftly, warning other users, etc. There are some very skilled and technical people on here, they can track shit that I didn't even think was possible, I also learned a lot in the process. That's when I feel like: wow this community is great, I want to be part of it.

Don't get me wrong, this section is fine and there are plenty awesome deals, coin releases, and a lot of positive energy going on.
It can only get better going forward, I hope.

If there are some personal issues don't forget you can always PM someone and let it all out.
You can also choose to go for a nice meal and forget all about it.
Count until 10 (or 100 in some cases) before going public, sometimes it does work.

[TMAN]

good post C@C

although you are missing the crux of this issue, OG should of returned the funds or sent to a neutral escrow. He didnt and he abused his trust, I do not trust him and I advise other members not to either.. its a poxy 0.2BTC and now him and QS are saying that this is extortion as I said the only way I will give it up is if the community chose the outcome or all funds from us both go to charity.

shows what scum everyone is dealing with here.

[TMAN]

as everyone can see the community is siding with OG in this matter, this is a mighty shame as he had the option of letting the community decide the outcome of the Bet. If he had chosen that option I would of been preparing a long winded apology right now, ready to post this evening my time and I would of had to of removed the negative rating.

Unfortunately OG didn't have that faith in you his customer base, he chose instead to stand by what he believed was right and totally disregard what the community was going to say about the matter. That is not the actions of a man I would trust, a man with Integrity, those are the actions of a man who will end up bitter and lonely..

anyway - this does bring to question if OG does not have faith in his client base - why are people still supporting his club? Using his escrow? buying his coins?

and please all be aware this all started due to OG slagging off Max's Kialara works - another action that I do not associate with a trusted business leader.

Peace out all!

[dazedfool]

I'd still buy you both a beer.

[TMAN]

I'd still buy you both a beer.

Thanks dude. If we ever meet up I will cover the tab

[TMAN]

This poll is now closed. As you can all see, the community sided with OG... It is a mighty shame he didn't take this poll as a solution to the issue, He did not have faith in you, the community that him and his alter ego Nano talk about so much..

seeing as this was posted in the Nasty mining and Escrow threads the result isn't as much of a landslide as Og insinuated. Anyway that is by the by as he did not take this poll as a resolution to the issue, he should of but he didn't. Therefore he has stolen the escrow funds so I will continue with all my other threads against him – this alone has proved that he does not trust the community so why should the community trust him with funds?

Thanks all for taking part and I am sorry for some of the mean words I threw at certain forum members..

Peace out..

[cpfreeplz]

I only popped by because I thought we'd see some real dick pics here. Nothing? Really? Well this was just a waste of my time. How are we supposed to know who's is bigger without seeing something proportionate beside them?!!??!!?!

Oh unfunded coins too? Neat.

[OgNasty]

[Hhampuz]

I'd say that OgNasty should just send back the 0.2 to TMAN (you can take away the fee if you'd like) as this is getting slightly ridiculous.

Give back the BTC and call it quits. Move on with your lives. I'd suggest that Tman should ignore OgNasty going forward and OgNasty should ignore TMAN.

I can actually see both sides of this, and it has not been handled well by either side. So while there is still time, make the right thing and just draw a line and move past it.

[TMAN]

I'd say that OgNasty should just send back the 0.2 to TMAN (you can take away the fee if you'd like) as this is getting slightly ridiculous.

Give back the BTC and call it quits. Move on with your lives. I'd suggest that Tman should ignore OgNasty going forward and OgNasty should ignore TMAN.

I can actually see both sides of this, and it has not been handled well by either side. So while there is still time, make the right thing and just draw a line and move past it.

Buddy I don't want the coin back - I wanted to resolve this a few days ago by letting the community decide (he would of won) or cancelling the bet and giving the funds to charity.  he didn't want either of those options, so we go down the path that he wanted.. all over a 0.2BTC bet..

Personally I think it is rather pathetic to continue down this path of stubbornness when 40% of the community are siding with myself, especially as this poll was posted in all of the Nasty brand threads.. you would think that if he was right that the thread would of been closer to 80/90% taking into account people who would favor myself through trade history.

anyway, this is just exposing OG for what he is a suborn man who cannot reflect on a situation or look at it through another persons eyes... not the type of character I would want ever holding my Funds again.

[Hhampuz]

I'd say that OgNasty should just send back the 0.2 to TMAN (you can take away the fee if you'd like) as this is getting slightly ridiculous.

Give back the BTC and call it quits. Move on with your lives. I'd suggest that Tman should ignore OgNasty going forward and OgNasty should ignore TMAN.

I can actually see both sides of this, and it has not been handled well by either side. So while there is still time, make the right thing and just draw a line and move past it.

Buddy I don't want the coin back - I wanted to resolve this a few days ago by letting the community decide (he would of won) or cancelling the bet and giving the funds to charity.  he didn't want either of those options, so we go down the path that he wanted.. all over a 0.2BTC bet..

Personally I think it is rather pathetic to continue down this path of stubbornness when 40% of the community are siding with myself, especially as this poll was posted in all of the Nasty brand threads.. you would think that if he was right that the thread would of been closer to 80/90% taking into account people who would favor myself through trade history.

anyway, this is just exposing OG for what he is a suborn man who cannot reflect on a situation or look at it through another persons eyes... not the type of character I would want ever holding my Funds again.

I get it TMAN, I really do.

I think that anyone that has dealt with or had a discussion/argument with OgNasty has realized that he is quite stubborn, sometimes even arrogant. But who in Bitcoin or especially Bitcoin Collectibles is not sometimes perceived that way?

Some could look at this and the last thread alone and come to the conclusion that you are the stubborn one. Now I think that we should revert and start over where you two don't cross paths again. Not only for you or for og, but for the community as a whole. Whether it is intended or not the two of you publicly arguing does make this section bleed and I don't want to see the "OG camp" and the "TMAN camp" publicly fighting and arguing in each and every post.

So please, for the sake of this forum section, heed my words.

[TMAN]

I'd say that OgNasty should just send back the 0.2 to TMAN (you can take away the fee if you'd like) as this is getting slightly ridiculous.

Give back the BTC and call it quits. Move on with your lives. I'd suggest that Tman should ignore OgNasty going forward and OgNasty should ignore TMAN.

I can actually see both sides of this, and it has not been handled well by either side. So while there is still time, make the right thing and just draw a line and move past it.

Buddy I don't want the coin back - I wanted to resolve this a few days ago by letting the community decide (he would of won) or cancelling the bet and giving the funds to charity.  he didn't want either of those options, so we go down the path that he wanted.. all over a 0.2BTC bet..

Personally I think it is rather pathetic to continue down this path of stubbornness when 40% of the community are siding with myself, especially as this poll was posted in all of the Nasty brand threads.. you would think that if he was right that the thread would of been closer to 80/90% taking into account people who would favor myself through trade history.

anyway, this is just exposing OG for what he is a suborn man who cannot reflect on a situation or look at it through another persons eyes... not the type of character I would want ever holding my Funds again.

I get it TMAN, I really do.

I think that anyone that has dealt with or had a discussion/argument with OgNasty has realized that he is quite stubborn, sometimes even arrogant. But who in Bitcoin or especially Bitcoin Collectibles is not sometimes perceived that way?

Some could look at this and the last thread alone and come to the conclusion that you are the stubborn one. Now I think that we should revert and start over where you two don't cross paths again. Not only for you or for og, but for the community as a whole. Whether it is intended or not the two of you publicly arguing does make this section bleed and I don't want to see the "OG camp" and the "TMAN camp" publicly fighting and arguing in each and every post.

So please, for the sake of this forum section, heed my words.

Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off. He cost me BTC in that sale and he tried to devalue my collection with his comments. He then showed off his cas coins in a self modded thread and deleted my initial comment that was in no way rude. He tried to catch me out with a trap and the only reason we are here is because he failed in comprehending what a time stamped photo is. If he had come through with that I would of lost the bet fair and square.. but I didn't he lost....

[vh]

Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off. He cost me BTC in that sale....

After days of drama and scam accusations, there it is.   A fun show, but massive waste of everyones time.

[Quickseller]

it wasn't until he[OgNasty] derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off. He cost me BTC in that sale and he tried to devalue my collection with his comments.

I am confused.

You posted that you were going to bid on that auction if you didn't have so many:
http://archive.is/EeVNL#selection-9689.0-9698.1

wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up

TMAN, were you going to bid on your own auction? How many of your auctions have you actually bid on?

[Lauda]

TMAN, were you going to bid on your own auction?

Doubtful. He probably meant if there was a similar Kialara going for that price, he would bid on it had he not already owned so many.

How many of your auctions have you actually bid on?

None AFAIK. Don't come with that tone over here before you go and scold CryptoImperator and Denarium. 

[Quickseller]

TMAN, were you going to bid on your own auction?

Doubtful. He probably meant if there was a similar Kialara going for that price, he would bid on it had he not already owned so many.

That is not what he said. He explicitly said he was going to bid if he did not have so many....

[Lauda]

That is not what he said. He explicitly said he was going to bid if he did not have so many....

I've previously read that post and seen classic metonymy. See my updated part of my previous post:

How many of your auctions have you actually bid on?

None AFAIK. Don't come with that tone over here before you go and scold CryptoImperator and Denarium.  

Either you scold those who have done it or *possibly intended to do* or you scold nobody.

[Quickseller]

That is not what he said. He explicitly said he was going to bid if he did not have so many....

I've previously read that post and seen classic metonymy. See my updated part of my previous post:

How many of your auctions have you actually bid on?

None AFAIK. Don't come with that tone over here before you go and scold CryptoImperator and Denarium. 

Either you scold those who have done it or *possibly intended to do* or you scold nobody.

I am just trying to figure out the extent of TMAN's misdoings. I am under no obligations to investigate everyone.

[Kialara]

If there were an auction going for a Casascius coin, and it was generating a decent amount of interest, I can’t imagine Blazed or OgNasty suggesting it was overpriced because they both hold Casascius coins. It’s in their financial interest for these coins to fetch high prices.

As far as I know OgNasty doesn’t hold my work, as he already sold his collection (at a premium most likely) I’m not sure about Blazed but I would guess he doesn’t either based on his comment.

Premiums on my work don’t necessarily benefit me directly. The premium over the selling price benefits the owners selling, so any attempts to devalue my work only hurts the hundreds of owners of my work - many of whom are very influential people in the tech space... Richard Branson, Bill Tai, the WOZ, etc.

The fact that many hundreds of people own my work, yet they rarely become available on the secondary market tells me the going prices seem to be legitimate.

Og’s comment to sell b/c the prices are not within the realm of sanity should be seen as an attack on every member of the community who holds a Kialara. He is basically calling everyone insane.

[OgNasty]

All I did was agree with Blazed. We're allowed to have opinions.

I'm sorry you felt it was an attack. I really am. I apologize. I see now I should have chosen my words more carefully. Lots of people love your work. You or anyone shouldn't feel threatened by my opinions. I didn't say anything negative about the product. I only agreed with others that the auction price had gotten frothy. Now that we have learned it was TMAN's coin being auctioned, at least I understand why things escalated to this.

If someone reselling one of my products is asking 10x my original retail price, please on behalf of the community, point it out. Perhaps do so with more tact than I did to avoid having to issue an apology. I will never be mad at someone for pointing out premiums over materials cost or original retail pricing on my products. I will view it as protecting the community.

Kialara, I am sorry you took my agreement on the auction pricing as an attack. I am sorry that I thought my agreement with another poster would be any added benefit to the thread. Don't single me out as the bad guy though. I agreed with 2 of the 3 public opinions on the pricing in that thread.