Lauda offered multi-signature escrow with accounts controlled by him.

[Deja]

Hello community,

I want to write this to state how 'Escrow services' from Lauda work,

In the start of Ethereum Link ICO, we approached Lauda Escrow services by a proxy friend, Escrow included: Lauda, MinerJones and Yahoo,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731

I may assure yahoo is not an alt of Lauda, because my friend knows him before he was given any green trust on his profile and also, Yahoo left the Escrow deal by his own before we refused.

We noticed many red flags in their service and refused it.
He felt humillited for this simple action and started to look back at our project.

After several days  after the start of our ICO, Lauda alt aka Ibminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866 tagged our profile with the first red trust then minutes later it was tagged by his main account aka Lauda, then by minerjones

After this and seeing their tags was doing nothing on Link topic and project, he got angry and started to post negative trust to signature participants like this account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=709913

What power does he believe he has just because he got angry seing users realized all my trust from my profile was given by the same person?

He offered multi-signature escrow with 2 accounts controlled by him thus offering no additional layer of trust except for Yahoo, but as it was going to be 2 out of 3 multi signature escrow, he could have stolen all funds by himself and dissapear.


Is that allowed?

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[Lauda]

We noticed so much red flags on their service and refused it.
He felt humillited for this simple action and started to look back on our project.

Red flags? You mean, your outright refusal to use addresses controlled by the escrows and your insisture for using your own addresses? In other words, our participation as *escrows* would have provided no security of anything whatsoever.

After several days on our ico running, Lauda alt, aka Ibminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866 tagged our profile with the first neg trust, then minutes later it was tagged by this shady user main account aka Lauda, then by minerjones

Proof? If you have no proof, then this is clear defamation.
Clear description of yourself, a blackmailer, and your project:

[actmyname]

Hey, so the only proof you have of linking the "alts" together is the fact that they negged an account, one after another? There's no sense in making that linkage.

Are you also going to say that Zepher is an alt? How about Lutpin?


If you have more red flags, will you post them instead of keeping them hidden like an idiot flailing around on his keyboard without any sense? Otherwise, you're simply bullshitting and you're wasting everybody's time.

[Lauda]

If you have more red flags, will you post them instead of keeping them hidden like an idiot flailing around on his keyboard without any sense? Otherwise, you're simply bullshitting and you're wasting everybody's time.

OP is an idiot. I would have labeled them with a nice description, but I try to avoid using *bad words*. We rejected their escrow proposal, which was that they control all addresses and forward to multisig. I was contemplating on tagging them at the time, but did not due to potential bias. Only after a scam accusation appeared, and ibminer reviewed && asked questions which got censored have they received a negative rating.
This was based on his review of the situation, or should I say.. mine?

[Deja]

He himself accepted this:





Will post ip details soon

[Lutpin]

Are you also going to say that Zepher is an alt? How about Lutpin?

Hey, leave my good name out of this.
Oh wait, nevermind. OP go make yourself a clown once again by including me and zepher in this.
You think that's going to help your project? Behaving like this? People probably will lose confidence in your abilities pretty soon.

He himselfs accepted this:

!= means "is not". Look it up before saying stupid stuff in public.
Here, in case you do not know how to use google:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/22336/what-is-the-origin-of-in-the-meaning-not-equal-to

[Lauda]

Alts are Ibminer-Minerjones and Lauda and probably quickseller as he has the same post history and behavior.

Lauda == Quickseller? This is genius! I can't wait for you to provide proof.

[Deja]

When he first gave the neg reps he immetiately told me this after we told him to not use alt accounts.

[Lauda]

Just see your own autistic post history and quickseller ones.

When you start to post memes is because you are nervous.

That was not a meme.

When he first gave the neg reps he immetiately told me this after we told him to not use alt accounts.

Your claims were absurd then, just as they are absurd now. I'm waiting for your proof non-autistic snowflake.

[Lutpin]

Just see your own autistic post history and quickseller ones.

I like the part where Lauda calls QS an escrow scammer and the one where QS calls Lauda an extortionist.
That's a nice little theatre for two accounts being controlled by the same person.

Do you have more bedtime stories to tell? This is starting to get entertaining.
Maybe something with dragons. Oh and queens. Tell me a story, please.

[Deja]

Just see your own autistic post history and quickseller ones.

When you start to post memes is because you are nervous.

That was not a meme.

When he first gave the neg reps he immetiately told me this after we told him to not use alt accounts.

Your claims were absurd then, just as they are absurd now. I'm waiting for your proof non-autistic snowflake.

Why are you tagging signature campaign participants just because we refused your escrow? some participants don't have even seen main topic besides the signature one.

[Deja]

Just see your own autistic post history and quickseller ones.

I like the part where Lauda calls QS an escrow scammer and the one where QS calls Lauda an extortionist.
That's a nice little theatre for two accounts being controlled by the same person.

Do you have more bedtime stories to tell? This is starting to get entertaining.
Maybe something with dragons. Oh and queens. Tell me a story, please.

Yes, more obvious it cannot be.   - Another one, -Ibminer- has default trust by doing nothing.

[actmyname]

Yes, more obvious it cannot be.   - Another one, -Ibminer- has default trust by doing nothing.

Perhaps you'd like to ring it up with theymos then since he added ibminer to his trust list.
You should also stop double-posting.

Just see your own autistic post history and quickseller ones.

When you start to post memes is because you are nervous.

You know, now that you're attacking Lauda your post history looks a lot like the post history of butthurt scammers! Certainly, you must be an alt!

[Lutpin]

So, you are impliying Theymos works with Lauda?

No, they only know how the trust system works and you seem not to.

I would absolutely not use Lauda as an escrow, nor would I trust him in any way as he is an extortionist.

Way to talk about your alt account, QS.

[Quickseller]

I don't think they are all the same person.

I would avoid using "multi-sig" escrow in which one of the escrow agents picks the other two escrow agents, as this is an indication that each of the escrow agents are connected. In this case, each of the escrows that wanted to be a signer are very close to each-other.

I would absolutely not use Lauda as an escrow, nor would I trust him in any way as he is an extortionist.

[ibminer]

Hello community,

I want to write this to state how 'Escrow services' from Lauda work,

In the start of Ethereum Link ICO, we approached Lauda Escrow services by a proxy friend, Escrow included: Lauda, MinerJones and Yahoo,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731

I confirm yahoo is not an alt of Lauda, because my friend knows him before he was given any green trust on its profile.

We noticed so much red flags on their service and refused it.
He felt humillited for this simple action and started to look back on our project.

After several days on our ico running, Lauda alt, aka Ibminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866 tagged our profile with the first neg trust, then minutes later it was tagged by this shady user main account aka Lauda, then by minerjones

Now seeing their tags was doing nothing on Link topic and project, he got angry and started to post negative trust on signature participants like this account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=709913

What power does he believe he has just because he got angry by users realizing all my trust was given by the same person?

He offered multi-signature escrow with 2 accounts controlled by him and offering no additional layer of trust except for Yahoo, but as it was going to be 2 out of 3 multi signature escrow, he could had stole all funds by himself and dissapear.

Is that allowed ?

He himself accepted this:


Will post ip details soon

As I stated in your conveniently cropped photo, ibminer != Lauda

Would you like to display the rest of our conversation and the attempts to bribe me to remove the feedback?  ... instead of just proving the validity of this ICO. 

I have nothing to do with Lauda's escrow service, and if you want to use another escrow, you have other options. Regardless, you should be able to prove you're holding the funds that you claim you are holding, which is now apparently over 1.2M USD. You've stated in your thread that you would prove the funds collected but I'm not seeing any attempts or effort to do this.

[minifrij]

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What do you say to the accusations that yourself and Lauda are one and the same?

...and probably quickseller as he has the same post history and behavior.

[Qartada]

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What do you say to the accusations that yourself and Lauda are one and the same?

...and probably quickseller as he has the same post history and behavior.

I wouldn't call it an "accusation"; more like "the demented ramblings of a broken scammer".

If we're basing our accusations on "post history and behaviour", then I suppose Deja is an alt of kiklo.
Clearly it's pretty normal activity to back out an escrow deal and accuse the escrows of being scammers rather than getting someone they believe is reliable to escrow instead.  That really makes me feel good about the Ethereum.link project.

I suppose while Deja is proving his legitimacy he'll go ahead and post Ethereum.link's public ICO address?

[Timelord2067]

Alts are Ibminer-Minerjones and Lauda and probably quickseller as he has the same post history and behavior.

Lauda == Quickseller? This is genius! I can't wait for you to provide proof.

Even *I* wouldn't go there ...

Timelord2067 is an idiot.

OP is an idiot.

This popped-corn needs more salt... and a tad more butter...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I highly doubt Lauda offered to pull a Quickseller-type "self-escrow" scam, since I do believe Lauda has railed against QS doing so in the past.  I'd never heard that term "self-escrow" before viewing bitcointalk in all its glory.  And for good reason.  There's no such thing.  It's synonymous with "scam", and Lauda hasn't done anything of the sort (that extortion thing has been grossly taken out of context).

[cpfreeplz]

All this would make a lot of sense and everyone would totally stand up for you. The one tiny issue is the fact that these are two separate people until you've proved otherwise. Why do you think they are alts? Them posting similarly isn't proof. I saw a man with a black baseball cap and a red truck murder a lady. If someone matches that description it doesn't make them a murderer.

[Lauda]

I suppose while Deja is proving his legitimacy he'll go ahead and post Ethereum.link's public ICO address?

If you had really read Ibminer's rating and all relevant posts, you would probably not ask this. Ibminer made legitimate questions about this, which instantly led to the removal of his post. It was because of this that the first rating was applied.

Even *I* wouldn't go there ...

Timelord2067 is an idiot.

OP is an idiot.

Ehm..I'll let QS comment on this one.

I highly doubt Lauda offered to pull a Quickseller-type "self-escrow" scam, since I do believe Lauda has railed against QS doing so in the past.

Correct. I have only every offered either individual escrow or one partnered with minerjones/yahoo/zepher/Blazed IIRC. I am too cynical to be one of these people, who have shown their identities one way or another to others.

All this would make a lot of sense and everyone would totally stand up for you. The one tiny issue is the fact that these are two separate people until you've proved otherwise. Why do you think they are alts? Them posting similarly isn't proof. I saw a man with a black baseball cap and a red truck murder a lady. If someone matches that description it doesn't make them a murderer.

As a certain somebody has formulated this via a private channel:

Don't know where lauda lives
I don't know where QS lives
alts confirmed

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Some people here have bloody sense of humor but it is time to change the memes @Timelord2067 and @ Lauda ,i am seeing that too many times which makes me bored ,i usually view all the drama here and usually prefer to watch than to scribble something,just wrote this to inform TLord and Lauda and since this accusation wont reach anywhere since OP has nothing else to say and for the first time i have seen a bitcointalk consensus from all the users regarding this accusation .

[minifrij]

Yeah, now logout and come back with your next account and talk to yourself like you do.
All these shills defending lauda are just pathetic.

Are you usually allowed on the internet without your carer? Should you not tell them before you log on?

[Lauda]

All these shills defending lauda are just pathetic.

The only pathetic thing here is you, and your scam project snowflake.

[HongKong]

I notice that you gave me neg. feedback for enrolling in the LNK campaign, I removed my sig + avatar.  Is this thread the warning that you are writing about?

And what happens if LNK launches successfully and everyone who invested gets their coins? Will the neg. trust from you be removed? Because this thread just seems that it's only about the Escrow..

Thanks.

[Lauda]

Is this thread the warning that you are writing about?

No.

And what happens if LNK launches successfully and everyone who invested gets their coins?

You seem to be uneducated. Launching a token is extremely simple, there are even semi-automated tools. I could probably create a "Link 2.0" token in a few hours using such tools(disclaimer: I have never attempted that).

Will the neg. trust from you be removed? Because this thread just seems that it's only about the Escrow..

No and no.

[Lauda]

I just found the negative feedback thing out by reading the last page of the ANN thread. I changed my signature and avatar. I signed up in their signature campaign a few days ago because they looked legit, I am not so sure now.

There is absolutely no reason to post in this thread. PM me if you need me.

Is it possible to have the negative trust removed?

Done.

[Alert guy]

@Lauda and @DT Members , i will suggest you not to leave these puppets what i believe is that these accounts are sold and are in possession of the scammer who opens a ANN thread and then start self vouches and bump from time to time gets few investors and then shut down the hosting and domain.

I have full Dox of the scammer , his country , IP , the mobile he uses etc..

[Lauda]

@Lauda and @DT Members , i will suggest you not to leave these puppets what i believe is that these accounts are sold and are in possession of the scammer who opens a ANN thread and then start self vouches and bump from time to time gets few investors and then shut down the hosting and domain.

Without reasonable proof, I can't just leave negative ratings to users even though there is adequate circumstantial evidence. The staff team itself is doing almost nothing to combat this sock puppetry, which in returns sets a bad precedence for the Bitcoin ecosystem. Imagine how nice it would be, if we were to prevent/combat >90% of the scams around here?

I have full Dox of the scammer , his country , IP , the mobile he uses etc..

That put aside, if you have reasonable proof that this is the user, then create a thread in this section: Investigations. You are allowed to post his DOX there for the sake of investigating.