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[Spendulus]

One of the attackers was featured in the documentary "The Jihadist Next Door".

https://www.rt.com/uk/391020-jihadi-documentary-terrorists-london/

That is why I think it would be better if Islamist ideology was criminalized.

Islamism is a really bad idea.  All non-Muslims should be aware of the dangers it poses.

I don't think the religion should be criminalized, but support for extremism and terrorism should.
There's an easy way out of this:
-if you get caught showing support for terrorism anywhere, like on forums, social media whatever, and you're an immigrant = immediate deportation
-if you get caught planning or helping a terrorist attack = jail and deportation of your relatives
-if you commit any serious crime and are a migrant = jail for you and deportation for your relatives

Islamism is not a religion.  Islam is.

But I admit, it is hard to separate the two.

It's a mistake to think too long and hard about it, and to try to split hairs. The reason is that Islam has purposefully made this distinction hard to make, so that you are unsure what to do. It's a problem of their own making, not of yours or mine.

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[Sithara007]

Of course you can laugh at the primitive brain of Muslims, but it will not help to solve the problem of terrorism. Perhaps it is time to demand that governments recognise Islam as a hostile religion and prohibit any actions aimed at supporting or promoting the religion.

I doubt that anything like that will happen in the near future. The current culture of political correctness and the victim-card playing by the Muslims will prevent any concrete measures being implemented by the governments.

[Mometaskers]

Of course you can laugh at the primitive brain of Muslims, but it will not help to solve the problem of terrorism. Perhaps it is time to demand that governments recognise Islam as a hostile religion and prohibit any actions aimed at supporting or promoting the religion.

I doubt that anything like that will happen in the near future. The current culture of political correctness and the victim-card playing by the Muslims will prevent any concrete measures being implemented by the governments.

That's why people keep calling them cucked. Save for Iberia, Western Europeans have long forgotten about Islamic incursions into Europe. They didn't have the same experience as Eastern Europeans.

Muslims have not forgotten though. They look back to the time when the Caliphate was expanding through conquest as the Golden Age of Islam. The Crusades are twisted to be seen as an unjust attack from Christians. European colonialism is portrayed as evil of the West even  though Muslims have basically been doing the same prior to Europeans advancing enough to be able fight back.

Islamism is not a religion.  Islam is.

But I admit, it is hard to separate the two.

They're opposite sides of the same coin. An Islamist want to impose Sharia on you. A "moderate" Muslim want an Islamist to impose Sharia on you. Religion and politics is the same in Islam. Islam pervades every aspect of society.

[xFiber]

.... I was trying to say that you can't criminalize something you clearly don't understand. Since you completely missed the point I have no further commen....

Ah, yes you certainly can criminalize something you "don't understand."

We do it all the time.

You might want to reverse that, and tell the Jihadists they "can't blow things up they don't understand."

See how far you get with that, buddy.

Classic white supremacist. Please don't be so ignorant. I'm not trying to defend the terrorists here. They have nothing to with the Islam as a religion other than abusing it to justify their crimes. I also don't think they would be that reasonable since they're RADICALIZED EXTREMISTS (and not Muslims for the record).

And using your logic why did the west go out of their home lands to kill and enslave millions of people from africa, Asia and South-America for their own own monetary gain? Compared to the destruction and extinction that the West has caused over the course of history ISIS is peanuts.
Good luck with that dude.

[Sithara007]

That's why people keep calling them cucked. Save for Iberia, Western Europeans have long forgotten about Islamic incursions into Europe. They didn't have the same experience as Eastern Europeans.

What about the Iberians? They are the biggest importers of Muslim immigrants nowadays. Just check how many Moroccans have been granted residential permit in Spain, during the past 10 years. The Western Europeans are more concerned about Kim Kardashian, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus.etc. They are not much bothered about their own future.

[Spendulus]

.... I was trying to say that you can't criminalize something you clearly don't understand. Since you completely missed the point I have no further commen....

Ah, yes you certainly can criminalize something you "don't understand."

We do it all the time.

You might want to reverse that, and tell the Jihadists they "can't blow things up they don't understand."

See how far you get with that, buddy.

.....I'm not trying to defend the terrorists here. They have nothing to with the Islam as a religion other than abusing it to justify their crimes. I also don't think they would be that reasonable since they're RADICALIZED EXTREMISTS (and not Muslims for the record)......

Are you seriously suggesting that the >30,000 Islamic terror attacks and suicide bombings since 9/11 are not the work of Muslims?

[criptix]

.... I was trying to say that you can't criminalize something you clearly don't understand. Since you completely missed the point I have no further commen....

Ah, yes you certainly can criminalize something you "don't understand."

We do it all the time.

You might want to reverse that, and tell the Jihadists they "can't blow things up they don't understand."

See how far you get with that, buddy.

.....I'm not trying to defend the terrorists here. They have nothing to with the Islam as a religion other than abusing it to justify their crimes. I also don't think they would be that reasonable since they're RADICALIZED EXTREMISTS (and not Muslims for the record)......

Are you seriously suggesting that the >30,000 Islamic terror attacks and suicide bombings since 9/11 are not the work of Muslims?

And you forget that the victims and the people fighting ISIS are mostly muslim.

[xFiber]

.... I was trying to say that you can't criminalize something you clearly don't understand. Since you completely missed the point I have no further commen....

Ah, yes you certainly can criminalize something you "don't understand."

We do it all the time.

You might want to reverse that, and tell the Jihadists they "can't blow things up they don't understand."

See how far you get with that, buddy.

.....I'm not trying to defend the terrorists here. They have nothing to with the Islam as a religion other than abusing it to justify their crimes. I also don't think they would be that reasonable since they're RADICALIZED EXTREMISTS (and not Muslims for the record)......

Are you seriously suggesting that the >30,000 Islamic terror attacks and suicide bombings since 9/11 are not the work of Muslims?

And you forget that the victims and the people fighting ISIS are mostly muslim.

Exactly, only a fraction of all these terrorist attacks were carried out in the west. The most victims are Muslims trying to live in peace in their country. That's why I don't get all this hatred against the average Muslim. I highly doubt either of you (who had those extreme ideas to criminalize the Islam) have actually met a Muslim and talked with them in person. At least where I live there are modern Muslims who just want to reside here peacefully and make a living.

[Spendulus]

.... I was trying to say that you can't criminalize something you clearly don't understand. Since you completely missed the point I have no further commen....

Ah, yes you certainly can criminalize something you "don't understand."

We do it all the time.

You might want to reverse that, and tell the Jihadists they "can't blow things up they don't understand."

See how far you get with that, buddy.

.....I'm not trying to defend the terrorists here. They have nothing to with the Islam as a religion other than abusing it to justify their crimes. I also don't think they would be that reasonable since they're RADICALIZED EXTREMISTS (and not Muslims for the record)......

Are you seriously suggesting that the >30,000 Islamic terror attacks and suicide bombings since 9/11 are not the work of Muslims?

And you forget that the victims and the people fighting ISIS are mostly muslim.

Exactly, only a fraction of all these terrorist attacks were carried out in the west. The most victims are Muslims trying to live in peace in their country. That's why I don't get all this hatred against the average Muslim. I highly doubt either of you (who had those extreme ideas to criminalize the Islam) have actually met a Muslim and talked with them in person. At least where I live there are modern Muslims who just want to reside here peacefully and make a living.

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

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I do think that why this evil find their way among humanity. The people, terrorists are killing are those they have never seen before, they never offend them, and Most especially people that have helped them one way or the others especially, in charity donations to help humanity.

[xFiber]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here? 

[Spendulus]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here? 

Sure, happy to.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

[criptix]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here? 

Sure, happy to.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

You are saying that islam is a terrorist religion which contradicts your past post with youtube videos from  "good" muslims who condem for example certain sharia laws etc pp.

[Spendulus]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here?  

Sure, happy to.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

You are saying that islam is a terrorist religion which contradicts your past post with youtube videos from  "good" muslims who condem for example certain sharia laws etc pp.

I don't even see how you can conclude what you've said from my bolded section. Nothing new in that, it's called "reframing the argument." Usually done because you want to move the discussion, but if you want to do that, just do it. Like one could say "Separate from the above, let me ask (or say) ..."

Let's go at this another way. I'm going to write two sentences down and you just say if you think they are true.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

[Sithara007]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here? 

They don't intentionally bomb the other Muslims. Their main aim is to murder the non-believers. The Muslim casualties are treated as collateral damage. Take the recent Kabul bombing as an example. The attackers were targeting the German embassy. But they could not reach that far, and were forced to explode while being surrounded by the Afghans.

[xFiber]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here?  

Sure, happy to.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

That's not entirely true. The main reason is about interpretation. Religion is all about interpretation. Members of ISIS are brainwashed to have a very extreme interpretation of texts ripped out of their context. Since a lot of Muslims strongly disagree with them they ISIS Bombs them while the others are trying to live in peace.

The way we can kill isis is actually pretty easy. Theoretically speaking. We just have to get rid of our oil usage. If we can replace the oil usage with green solutions we cut of their main income. No need to ban the Islam, if no one wants oil anymore they're done.
1. It's good for the environment
2. We finally get rid of that scum and can move on with our lives

But that's easier said than done.

[Spendulus]

Let's go over this again. Yes, a country or state or city can "criminalize something they don't understand." We simply don't have to understand why a murderer murders to state that it's a crime.

Apparently you really are trying to claim that the 30,000 attacks since 9/11 by Muslims are not the work of Muslims?

So tell me, why do those Muslim bombers bomb other Muslims every single month? Wouldn't that be a little contraproductive if you're trying to strive for a domination where Muslims rule the world with the sharia law? So could you please for once counter my argument if you're trying to have a discussion here?  

Sure, happy to.

The reason Muslims bomb other Muslims every day is that there are a bunch of sects of Muslim wackos and each sect thinks it's the only True Muslims.

That Muslims want to take over the world does not mean that all Muslims agree on who the Main Guy Running the World Caliphate is going to be.

That's not entirely true. The main reason is about interpretation. Religion is all about interpretation. Members of ISIS are brainwashed to have a very extreme interpretation of texts ripped out of their context. Since a lot of Muslims strongly disagree with them they ISIS Bombs them while the others are trying to live in peace.

The way we can kill isis is actually pretty easy. Theoretically speaking. We just have to get rid of our oil usage. If we can replace the oil usage with green solutions we cut of their main income. No need to ban the Islam, if no one wants oil anymore they're done.
1. It's good for the environment
2. We finally get rid of that scum and can move on with our lives

But that's easier said than done.

Islamic terror is not just ISIS, they are just one of hundreds of Islamic terror groups.

As for your green thing, as far as what good has been done in lowering oil revenue to the middle east, you can thank American frackers for that...

[Sithara007]

As for your green thing, as far as what good has been done in lowering oil revenue to the middle east, you can thank American frackers for that...

But it was too late. The Wahhabi indoctrination started in the 1980s and continued until the oil prices crashed in 2014. By then, almost all of the moderate Islamic nations (Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Bosnia.etc) have been converted in to orthodox Islamist strongholds.

[Spendulus]

As for your green thing, as far as what good has been done in lowering oil revenue to the middle east, you can thank American frackers for that...

But it was too late. The Wahhabi indoctrination started in the 1980s and continued until the oil prices crashed in 2014. By then, almost all of the moderate Islamic nations (Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Bosnia.etc) have been converted in to orthodox Islamist strongholds.

Along with that "conversion" the suicide and terror bombings seem to have arrived, doesn't it?

[popcorn1]

You got more chance of getting knocked over by a car..

No really you got more chance of getting knocked over ..

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Told you so ^^