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June 19, 2011, 06:00:58 PM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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July 30, 2011, 09:15:21 PM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!

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July 30, 2011, 09:18:45 PM
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Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!
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July 30, 2011, 09:24:15 PM
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Regardless if bitprotection is legit or not. There's still plenty of other bull**** that happens on these forums that moderators do absolutely nothing about.
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July 30, 2011, 09:26:21 PM
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Regardless if bitprotection is legit or not. There's still plenty of other bull**** that happens on these forums that moderators do absolutely nothing about.

Kokjo - I do agree there is a bit of nonsense that does happen on this forum. I try to contribute as much as I can without coming across as spammy! Smiley

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July 30, 2011, 09:37:46 PM
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Regardless if bitprotection is legit or not. There's still plenty of other bull**** that happens on these forums that moderators do absolutely nothing about.

We are open to suggestion. Like what?
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July 30, 2011, 09:39:57 PM
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spam and scam is 2 different words. Cheesy

speaking of which I need to change my sig, I think somebody killed it. LOL xD
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July 30, 2011, 10:11:36 PM
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Go to your profile and disable the display of forum signatures. Only way to keep sane, unless you like adblocking every grotesque banner.

It saddens me, as most of the banners look like early 90's spamvertising. Doesn't really help us at all.

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July 30, 2011, 11:11:44 PM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!

A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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July 30, 2011, 11:25:31 PM
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Careful. If you complain too much, you might become a mod.

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July 30, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!

A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.

I can't argue with that!

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July 30, 2011, 11:59:18 PM
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A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.


What is the difference between:

  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which holds on to my wallet.dat and promises not to do anything naughty with it.
  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which sends me a new printed wallet.dat and promises to delete any temporary copies they might have of it.
  • My bank, which asks me to hand them all my money and assures me that it'll always be there when I want it back.

Ok, my bank at least has a local brick and mortar branch for me to burn down if they steal my money, but otherwise I don't see how any one of those items screams "SCAM!" any more than the others. They all rely on trusting strangers with my money.

Personally, I do not presently have any reason to want to hand somebody else my wallet.dat for safekeeping, because I think I can can protect it well enough myself. Still, it seems interesting to me to see a claim that a hold-on-to-your-wallet service must be a scam, coming from somebody who asks me to give them money in order to obtain a wallet.dat that they had access to. I think I'll pass on both services.
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July 31, 2011, 12:37:25 AM
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A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.


What is the difference between:

  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which holds on to my wallet.dat and promises not to do anything naughty with it.
  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which sends me a new printed wallet.dat and promises to delete any temporary copies they might have of it.
  • My bank, which asks me to hand them all my money and assures me that it'll always be there when I want it back.

Ok, my bank at least has a local brick and mortar branch for me to burn down if they steal my money, but otherwise I don't see how any one of those items screams "SCAM!" any more than the others. They all rely on trusting strangers with my money.


Look up FDIC.

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July 31, 2011, 01:03:45 AM
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Look up FDIC.

Good point. So, I'll revise my question: How is "I'll hold your wallet.dat for security, and I promise not to spend your money" any more obviously a scam than "I'll give you a new wallet.dat for security, and I promise not to keep a copy"?

P.S.: Speaking of moderation, shouldn't this thread be in Meta?  Wink
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July 31, 2011, 02:42:33 AM
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Look up FDIC.

Good point. So, I'll revise my question: How is "I'll hold your wallet.dat for security, and I promise not to spend your money" any more obviously a scam than "I'll give you a new wallet.dat for security, and I promise not to keep a copy"?

P.S.: Speaking of moderation, shouldn't this thread be in Meta?  Wink

There's not a huge difference.  I could theoretically scam my customers.  But in my case, I have identified myself IRL, and people buy paper wallets to meet a real need, and I can get my ass kicked if I scam. Sending your wallet to anonymous doesn't serve any useful purpose, you may as well stick it in a drawer, and his claim that sending him your wallet protects you from theft (which has since vanished from his site) ought to raise a brow. If he steals your coin, no ass to kick, your maximum recourse is to send him angry email.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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July 31, 2011, 02:56:48 AM
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There's not a huge difference.  I could theoretically scam my customers.  But in my case, I have identified myself IRL, and people buy paper wallets to meet a real need, and I can get my ass kicked if I scam. Sending your wallet to anonymous doesn't serve any useful purpose, you may as well stick it in a drawer, and his claim that sending him your wallet protects you from theft (which has since vanished from his site) ought to raise a brow. If he steals your coin, no ass to kick, your maximum recourse is to send him angry email.

Good point. Handing control of your money to somebody else requires trust, and trust is fundamentally given with the understanding that an ass-kicking (whether literal or figurative) may result if it's violated.

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July 31, 2011, 03:24:23 AM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!

A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.

You can contact me anyway you want what are you talking about ? How can you claim something is a scam with no evidence?   Where does it say it prevents theft ?  Never claimed it so don't claim something that isn't true ...I'll be waiting for you produce evidence this is a scam otherwise your creditably is 0 on this matter ...

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July 31, 2011, 03:27:31 AM
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There's not a huge difference.  I could theoretically scam my customers.  But in my case, I have identified myself IRL, and people buy paper wallets to meet a real need, and I can get my ass kicked if I scam. Sending your wallet to anonymous doesn't serve any useful purpose, you may as well stick it in a drawer, and his claim that sending him your wallet protects you from theft (which has since vanished from his site) ought to raise a brow. If he steals your coin, no ass to kick, your maximum recourse is to send him angry email.

Good point. Handing control of your money to somebody else requires trust, and trust is fundamentally given with the understanding that an ass-kicking (whether literal or figurative) may result if it's violated.



Agreed. There is no doubt there will have to be trust at some point. Figured the best way was to say if anything happens we can back it up or as you say an ass-kicking!

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July 31, 2011, 03:28:44 AM
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I have repeatedly been reporting scammers on the forum... seems nothing happens about them.

For example, user Haydenwaves has over 60 posts, a large percentage of them advertising the scam site Bitprotection.info, and right now, all of them are advertising it because he has an ad in his signature.

But when I click "report to moderator"... seems I'm wasting my time.

Please do not make claims for which you have no clue about thank you!

A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.

Btw: your service is a scam also ..going to let people know its a scam ... how can you trust postal mail  and how do we know its going to you?  

This is factually untrue "100% immune to hackers, trojans, computer crashing,"    such claims are ridiculous and should be obvious red flags for  anyone thinks about a service like this.

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July 31, 2011, 03:35:24 AM
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A wallet backup service claiming to offer "insurance" offered by an anonymous person who can be contacted only by a webmail address is a prima facie scam.  Prior versions of this website, such as the one present when I made the original post in June, claimed that sending him your wallet file actually protects you from theft, and offered to insure the wallet against any kind of theft.  Such a claim is ridiculous and should be an obvious red flag.


What is the difference between:

  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which holds on to my wallet.dat and promises not to do anything naughty with it.
  • A service provided by a stranger on the Internet which sends me a new printed wallet.dat and promises to delete any temporary copies they might have of it.
  • My bank, which asks me to hand them all my money and assures me that it'll always be there when I want it back.

Ok, my bank at least has a local brick and mortar branch for me to burn down if they steal my money, but otherwise I don't see how any one of those items screams "SCAM!" any more than the others. They all rely on trusting strangers with my money.

Personally, I do not presently have any reason to want to hand somebody else my wallet.dat for safekeeping, because I think I can can protect it well enough myself. Still, it seems interesting to me to see a claim that a hold-on-to-your-wallet service must be a scam, coming from somebody who asks me to give them money in order to obtain a wallet.dat that they had access to. I think I'll pass on both services.

Thanks for being fair-minded and this service isn't for everyone but could be beneficial to people who are just starting out in bitcoins and don't know how to do all the necessary steps to protect their wallets. Obviously, if we are a "scam" then there should be plenty of people who can come forward to say we are - do you see any ?   People are to trigger happy to start calling people a scam!  Embarrassed

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