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June 20, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
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yeah WTF?!?! nobody likes spammers...  Cry

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June 20, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
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I don't really see what's wrong with this. He even said you can remove the code. Besides that it actually is an informative email. He's just giving you a sort of voluntary place to tip?
Seriously? People believe it is not spam if they say you can remove the ref code.
50% of the spamposts on forums contain that sentence, the other 50% camouflages the ref url with url of the original site

This is clearly spam not an info mail, the info mail I've allready got from MtGox themselves before I got 8 mails from our nice btc supporter.

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June 20, 2011, 12:27:59 AM
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I don't really see what's wrong with this. He even said you can remove the code. Besides that it actually is an informative email. He's just giving you a sort of voluntary place to tip?
+1

At the very least we will remove all the referrals from this users account.
Why?
As said just above, he even said one's could remove the referral code

Hi JackJack,

It is not within our value system to applaud/condone the use of stolen goods whether they benefit us or not.

We recognize this person is a ‘fan’ but we will NOT be giving them commissions. Likewise, our partners will discuss any further actions and we will report back.

Thanks,
Adam Stradling

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June 20, 2011, 12:33:06 AM
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this kind of advertising shows what kind of ethics the people running tradehill have.. not exactly the #1 qualification for a guy you entrust with your money and to run a fair exchange.

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June 20, 2011, 12:47:38 AM
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Dear Sir or Madam,

A few hours ago the Bitcoin trading website Mt Gox has been hacked. Malicious individuals have been able to obtain a database containing usernames, email address and encrypted passwords. This information has been posted publicly on the internet.

As a Bitcoin supporter I'm now sending a message to every email address contained in the hacked database. This is to warn you that your username, email address and password have been leaked. I therefore strongly advice you to change your passwords. If you have used the same password on different websites it's highly recommended to change your password on all of your accounts!

For a more secure alternative to Mt Gox, the community appears to be moving to TradeHill. So this is no reason to lose faith in Bitcoin itself. It must be seen as a warning that not every website can be trusted with your data however! Their link is http://www.tradehill.com/?r=TH-R15683 (Note: You can remove the Referral Code when registering if you want!) This is certainly not the only website where you can exchange Bitcoins, also check out http://www.thebitcoinlist.com/dp_bitcoin/bitcoin-exchange/

Sincerely,

A Bitcoin supporter
1CWSjov2N7ix41bZ8bJfHXkdLLbkUsG9Y7

I for one, think that TradeHill should block referrer TH-R15683 from any commission.

Ms. Bitcoin Supporter should be given a double commission for her timely assistance to the bitcoin community in its hour of greatest need, not punished!

She has provided a valuable service by informing the compromised users with info they badly needed to know and respond to, while MtGox was still in denial mode and dropping the ball.  The same thing happened at Gawker!

By including a link to the leading MtGox alternative, Ms. BS also gave compromised users the option of using that tool in their responses.

Let's examine the altruism meme that demands Ms. BS not gain anything for herself but possible self-satisfaction.

-  Without the greater incentive provided by the referral link, Ms. BS may have been less motivated and waited longer to send out her email blast.

-  Because Ms. BS opens herself up to (now demonstrated) recriminations from TradeHill, and possible retaliation from the MtGox hackers, there is an unspoken, subtle demand that Ms. BS sacrifice herself for others, without reward.

I could go on, but I'm sure all you bright bitcoiners have already gotten the point.

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"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

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June 20, 2011, 12:51:19 AM
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Loved the "Ms BS" touch!  Grin
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June 20, 2011, 12:55:21 AM
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Seems like an entrepreneur responding to economic incentives to disseminate news to interested parties. Helpful.

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June 20, 2011, 01:11:57 AM
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Seven emails from someone I don't know, giving me advice I don't need, encouraging me to change exchanges even though I already have accounts at both, and trying to get referral fees out of it - that sure meets my definition of spam.

As I mentioned in another thread, I'd like to point out this person is not affiliated with The Bitcoin List in any way.

Still around.
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June 20, 2011, 01:20:07 AM
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No need to to go overboard. If Mt.Gox had NO security precautions then there passwords would have been in the clear, OR they would have actually lost the bitcoins out of their back end wallet.
Some of the older passwords are damn close; they're hashed with unsalted MD5, which is not exactly high-grade security. They seem to have missed obvious security measures whenever those would require significant effort. I'm more paranoid than this about security in toy web applications, for goodness sake!

Just because tradehill hasn't been compromised means absolutely nothing. Why would anybody even bother? All the current traders are on Mt. Gox. since you have no idea what security Tradehill has, then implying that they are doing something better then Mt. Gox is just spreading a false sense of security.
An entirely founded sense of security, thank you very much. Similar CSRF vulnerabilities have been found on some of the other smaller sites - there are people actually looking for them now. (It appears from a quick glance that Tradehill have CSRF protection on at least their login and registration forms, so they're aware of the issue.) Sure, it's impossible to be entirely certain how secure other aspects of the site are, but it's a promising sign that they've taken this seriously.

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June 20, 2011, 01:25:08 AM
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Tighten your belts, a new wave of TH-related spam is on the way!
Just got another email... will I get emails from all TH users? Scary just think about it!  Huh

People, my data plan doesn't support for all this spam! Please! I rather switch off my MtGox email from my BB.  Angry
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June 20, 2011, 01:28:26 AM
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Tighten your belts, a new wave of TH-related spam is on the way!
Just got another email... will I get emails from all TH users? Scary just think about it!  Huh

People, my data plan doesn't support for all this spam! Please! I rather switch off my MtGox email from my BB.  Angry

Yep, I just got the following spam from 'bittrader566@yahoo.com':

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The latest in a string of hacks to Mt Gox has made me move to Trade Hill. Use this referral code to get 10% off all trade fees: TH-R13698

Sign up at Trade Hill today!

http://www.tradehill.com/?r=TH-R13698

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June 20, 2011, 01:40:14 AM
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getting the same message now using this account TH-R15977
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June 20, 2011, 01:43:09 AM
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Seven emails from someone I don't know, giving me advice I don't need, encouraging me to change exchanges even though I already have accounts at both, and trying to get referral fees out of it - that sure meets my definition of spam.

Spam is getting advertisements for male performance products or whatever, for no good reason, out of the blue.

Ms. BS's timely and responsive email blast was primarily an advisory about the MtGox situation, with the additional option of using TradeHill as a handy replacement also being provided.

Your objections just go to show that no good deed goes unpunished. 


The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

"Hard forks cannot be co
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June 20, 2011, 01:48:00 AM
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I didn't provide that person with my email address or opt-in to their messages.  This makes it spam.
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June 20, 2011, 02:11:04 AM
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Good for him someone should be warning people. The referral is a bit sleezy but so is ANY tradehill referral link. Get off your high horses.

Someone warned all the people on the lulzsec compromised e-mail list. Were they wrong too?
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June 20, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
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Go one step further.
We should find him, torture him and cut him in pieces

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June 20, 2011, 02:19:35 AM
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I didn't provide that person with my email address or opt-in to their messages.  This makes it spam.

No, that's incorrect.  For example, reference the situation which occurred at Gawker:

http://opensource.com/life/10/12/what-hintio-and-why-are-they-emailing-you



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So what of hint.io, then? It appears to be the tool for a group that took matters into their own hands after Gawker opted to leave its users in the dark. TNW (The Next Web) calls them "good Samaritans." But at least one commenter there thinks that those sending the emails are as bad as those who compromised the accounts to begin with, since they're using the compromised data to sent the alerts.

As one of the recipients, I disagree. I'm thankful for their transparency where Gawker was unwilling. The data has been released. That can't be changed. But they've used it for good, not evil. Or at least as an effort to help prevent more evil.

I've already explained the difference between "any email that hurts your feelings" and "spam."

This is like trying to reason with someone that calls anyone who disagrees with them in an online forum a "troll."



The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

"Hard forks cannot be co
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June 20, 2011, 02:40:20 AM
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This is most certainly spam. Spam using illegally-obtained email addresses as targets. It's base, repulsive, and plain annoying.

Time to ban/freeze/delete/destroy the new Tradehill ref IDs: TH-R15977 & TH-R13698. These people are moral-less.

I agree,  I also got these messages.

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June 20, 2011, 02:44:26 AM
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Sweet mother of all bullshits on Earth!!!!  Shocked

Just got a spam email which the spammer put all of us (unfortunate users who gave the email address to MtGox) in the To field!  Shocked

Expecting now witchcraft chains...  Roll Eyes
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June 20, 2011, 03:04:25 AM
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Sweet mother of all bullshits on Earth!!!!  Shocked

Just got a spam email which the spammer put all of us (unfortunate users who gave the email address to MtGox) in the To field!  Shocked

Expecting now witchcraft chains...  Roll Eyes

Yeah, I think I just got that one, it's titled "We Accept Bitcoins - GBVault".
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