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[BarkinTree]

Did he pay back every one already ? i dint get mine

No. He's asking for Identification now to have a partial refund. Of course many do not trust him with their identification.

Seriously? That's ridiculous. If we weren't asked for identification upon depositing our coins we shouldn't be asked for identification now.

He's asking for identification so that strangers don't go and just hack everyone's email to go request coins to their own BTC address. So then the returned coins are stolen AGAIN.

Good grief people. Can't you think?

We obviously can't trust him to secure our coins, so what makes you think I'm going to provide him with my identification?

What trust does he need to have to see your identification?

1. We've had tons of forged email headers - including gmail ones that are missing the gmail authentication, but still flagged as valid. Someone even forged as admin@glados.cc.
2. We've had reports of people finding out attempted access to their email accounts. The attacker has everyone's email address and balance to know who to target.
3. We do not want to give any more coins to the attacker.

Knew it. See? I'm not siding with TradeFortress but for fuck sake people. Use your heads.

cut the condescending shit. what trust does he need? he's been accused of being involved in many scams/reneging on deals. he is being accused of orchestrating the hack and has provided no evidence otherwise. he refuses to speak to police despite losing millions of $ of his customers' money. he has gone through painstaking efforts to remain anonymous. even if he's legit, the stupid idiot couldn't even figure out how to secure our email addresses, let alone use a cold wallet. at best, our documents will be stored negligently and, like our money, will go to the hackers. at worst, he will try to steal our identities himself. our name, ID#, address, etc are just pieces of the puzzle in identity theft/fraud. he has our emails and IP logs. if he wanted to do some digging and brute forcing, some people may not have secured themselves well enough.

also, taking the word of TF is not cause to say "knew it"..... the guy is going to try to cover his ass. why would you take what he says as truth?

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[BarkinTree]

What trust does he need to have to see your identification?

Quite some, you don't want a copy of your ID roaming through the net, do you?
In addition to your personal data known as early Bitcoiner that might mark you as a good target one day.

All the information on the ID is already public domain.

no it's not. that is not publicly accessible. it is not public domain.

my street address is not. my id# is not. my name is on the net, sure, but it's not linked to that street address and id#. and my birth date is conclusively tied only to my name -- not to my other pieces of identifying information.

so yes, giving ID is handing half your personal information -- which is not publicly available -- off to TradeFortress.

this guy has been accused of scamming so much -- and even ripping off faucets -- and he has been totally opaque about compensation. no one has any idea the fairness of his payouts. he let people continue depositing while letting others cash out -- himself and his friends, possibly -- for weeks after the hack. why would anyone ever want to give their ID to such a person?

[BarkinTree]

What trust does he need to have to see your identification?

Quite some, you don't want a copy of your ID roaming through the net, do you?
In addition to your personal data known as early Bitcoiner that might mark you as a good target one day.

All the information on the ID is already public domain.

Then show us your ID.

I wouldn't want my ID on the net either...

yeah, dude, that's right. ReCat, go ahead and scan us a nice, high res copy of your state ID, please. post it here, since, obviously, it's all public domain and hence you risk nothing.

[rampalija]

I want to have a clear awnser: do we get something for our month of ads in our signature or not?
I am reading a bazillion things here and it confuses me!

i dont think that fortress is even reading this posts, he has a much larger problems now

[MakeBelieve]

I want to have a clear awnser: do we get something for our month of ads in our signature or not?
I am reading a bazillion things here and it confuses me!

i dont think that fortress is even reading this posts, he has a much larger problems now

Yeah. These been a few posts that he hasn't read emails, messages and not replying.

[tspacepilot]

Whoa, now he's collecting peoples personal IDs as a condition of refunds.  This is cute :0

[druid]

Whoa, now he's collecting peoples personal IDs as a condition of refunds.  This is cute :0

have you read why? EMAILS can be faked, to be more precise, senders email address can be fake so the attacker since he have all our emails and balances can very well send emails in our name with his BTC adress, is that so hard to understand?

[dree12]

Whoa, now he's collecting peoples personal IDs as a condition of refunds.  This is cute :0

have you read why? EMAILS can be faked, to be more precise, senders email address can be fake so the attacker since he have all our emails and balances can very well send emails in our name with his BTC adress, is that so hard to understand?

But passwords can't be faked... The attacker only has the hash of the password hash, so no juice there...

[ReCat]

Password is not necessary to fake an email.

You can send a faked email from anywhere.

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

[Birdy]

Password is not necessary to fake an email.

You can send a faked email from anywhere.

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

You don't get it...
He can require the password instead of just a mail stating "hi send money to x" and instead of an ID.

P.S.: The US is not the world.
P.S.2: those public records aren't connected to Bitcoin use

[Welsh]

Password is not necessary to fake an email.

You can send a faked email from anywhere.

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

You don't get it...
He can require the password instead of just a mail stating "hi send money to x" and instead of an ID.

P.S.: The US is not the world.
P.S.2: those public records aren't connected to Bitcoin use

He's asking for identification were users could just:


- State current & previous passwords
- Ip's logged into the site (if not accessed from tor)


Although, I believe he is no longer returning emails, messages or replying on his threads. Although being active recently.

[Martijnvdc]

Password is not necessary to fake an email.

You can send a faked email from anywhere.

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

You don't get it...
He can require the password instead of just a mail stating "hi send money to x" and instead of an ID.

P.S.: The US is not the world.
P.S.2: those public records aren't connected to Bitcoin use

He's asking for identification were users could just:


- State current & previous passwords
- Ip's logged into the site (if not accessed from tor)


Although, I believe he is no longer returning emails, messages or replying on his threads. Although being active recently.

Well, you can still find him in my thread over here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334391.0
But it's not likely he'll respond

[tspacepilot]

Has TF disappeared completely?  I wouldn't be surprised.

[ReCat]

Password is not necessary to fake an email.

You can send a faked email from anywhere.

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

You don't get it...
He can require the password instead of just a mail stating "hi send money to x" and instead of an ID.

P.S.: The US is not the world.
P.S.2: those public records aren't connected to Bitcoin use

He's asking for identification were users could just:


- State current & previous passwords
- Ip's logged into the site (if not accessed from tor)


Although, I believe he is no longer returning emails, messages or replying on his threads. Although being active recently.

Those details are very hard to confirm. He's probably in no place to be manually shuffling through databases to make sure the password(s), and IP addresses is(are) right... In fact most people probably don't know what IP they accessed from before.

Requesting an ID makes most sense because you can just add that to an archive, and if the requester turns out to be the theif then you have some evidence for the police and people.

It doesn't matter if the public records or ID is connected to bitcoin use or not. What matters is that by presenting an ID, hackers trying to STEAL coins will be discouraged from doing so.

[HarmonLi]

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

you can find a street address, or multiple, tied to a name, but not necessarily current address or the address on ID. and not conclusive to tie name to identity, especially with more common names.

[ReCat]

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

you can find a street address, or multiple, tied to a name, but not necessarily current address or the address on ID. and not conclusive to tie name to identity, especially with more common names.

My point still stands.

There's almost no way to tell apart a real, legitimate email, from a forged one. The hacker could have the password for all we know. Nothing can really be trusted in such a situation. An ID is the only failsafe way of discouraging the hacker from trying to forge an email.

[Birdy]

There's almost no way to tell apart a real, legitimate email, from a forged one. The hacker could have the password for all we know. Nothing can really be trusted in such a situation. An ID is the only failsafe way of discouraging the hacker from trying to forge an email.

And what exactly is the ID proving? The hacker could also send a bunch of fake IDs, how would TF know?
He doesn't know who we are in RL.

Your point doesn't stand the slightest bit.

[BarkinTree]

Also. If you know where to look. You CAN find things like Street Address and places of employment just from a name. HINT: public records. They vary by state but some US states even provide these records online.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_records

you can find a street address, or multiple, tied to a name, but not necessarily current address or the address on ID. and not conclusive to tie name to identity, especially with more common names.

My point still stands.

There's almost no way to tell apart a real, legitimate email, from a forged one. The hacker could have the password for all we know. Nothing can really be trusted in such a situation. An ID is the only failsafe way of discouraging the hacker from trying to forge an email.

failsafe-no. since there is no verification, i can pull a scanned ID off google images -- yes, there are some real ones mixed in with the samples -- and it provides absolutely nothing to prevent fraudulent claims.

at least password and email password are known by the user. an ID doesn't say anything at all. your point does not logically entail that customers be forced to supply ID.

[tspacepilot]

Lol.  Campaign is dead.  Tf is retired living off yall's bitcoins.  But the thread keeps on going...

[saif92]

Lol.  Campaign is dead.  Tf is retired living off yall's bitcoins.  But the thread keeps on going...

yea many in hope may be something happen no realizing its dead and now going to hell