My proposal to forum administration

[deisik]

All of a sudden, my post count got diminished by 64 posts this morning

I didn't receive any notification that my posts got deleted, which you usually receive when just your post is deleted by a moderator. Obviously, the whole thread was trashed. Since my recent posts are all in place (I checked my post history), it is some old thread that got deleted, likely created years ago. I don't know which thread got deleted, I don't know who deleted it, I don't even know if I'm somehow involved in that but I do think this is not a good idea at all since this possibility allows easy abuse by moderators if they decide to start a personal vendetta against a certain user by deleting old threads with his posts. I don't think that I was a victim of this vendetta (if there is any), and I hope that I will never be but the issue is certainly present and it finally revealed itself. So my proposal to the forum administration is to disable deletion of old threads (say, older than a few days) by moderators unless given explicit consent by Theymos. Really, if the thread didn't get deleted at once (within a few days), it pretty much means that it is worth staying here, while deleting an old thread feels like a spit in the face of the posters

[1Referee]

Really, if the thread didn't get deleted at once (within a few days), it pretty much means that it is worth staying here, while deleting an old thread feels like a spit in the face of the posters

I pretty much agree here. I quite often like to browse through old threads to measure how the sentiment was back then, how people were advicing each other to cash out at $500 before the price starts to crash, etc. Instead of deleting threads, just lock them. It means that it won't attract any more spam, but people can still browse through them. Instead of moderators focusing on old burried threads, they should do some active effort to combat recent spam, because that's what we need. Lock old threads, or move them to the off-topic section where people don't get paid to post, deletion is meaningless.

[hilariousandco]

Big threads are rarely deleted or moved to the trashcan and are in fact usually just locked. The only big ones I've ever trashed are utter shit threads in gambling discussion or off topic like is 0.002 bitcoin a good amount to gamble with or what time do you wake up in the morning etc after they have quickly been spammed to death. I don't know what thread has gone but I'll have a scan of the trashcan when I get on the PC.

[dillpicklechips]

Maybe there is a good reason behind it like hilariousandco stated. It really is fun to read how people from the past keep saying Bitcoin's gonna die or whatever so I am in support to just lock the old thread or transfer it to off topic section.

Just wondering what that topic is since OP said his 64 post were deminished by the deletion of a topic. Might as well shed light to the topic by knowing what that topic is so it would become justifiable? Seems like the OP is a good poster himself and been active with that particular topic having 64 post in there.

[hilariousandco]

I had a look in the trashcan but figured if it was an old thread it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Also if it was straight up deleted it wouldn't be in there. I wonder if theymos tried tinkering with something or the wall observer thread that effected post counts? I guess we'll just have to wait for theymos to look into it.

[1Referee]

It has to be a different thread since I always avoid posting in self moderated threads. I once lost a huge load of posts due to some one in the press section that was kicked from the campaign he was participating in, and thus didn't get paid, and instantly found it necessary to delete all posts made in his threads by other users.

I appreciate the effort done to track down the thread that got trashed, I think we'll need to have some patience to see what theymos has to say.

[Coding Enthusiast]

Oh great. Now we get even more spam from the campaigners trying to meat their quota to cover the loss!

[terrate]

I check on the post who replied my post, that's not accurate and out of dated 
That's not easy for this forum to maintain so many years.

So we can use notepad to noted the things we want rather than check back old thread...
the campaign signature usage for forum let the owner decide if the stat is over .

[deisik]

I had a look in the trashcan but figured if it was an old thread it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Also if it was straight up deleted it wouldn't be in there. I wonder if theymos tried tinkering with something or the wall observer thread that effected post counts? I guess we'll just have to wait for theymos to look into it.

How many moderators are allowed to delete threads?

Just in case, I don't remember that I've been ever posting in the Wall observer thread if you refer to this thread. Anyway, it is locked, not deleted. Is it possible to track a deleted thread by the date when it was deleted? Though if you say that a thread can be deleted without a trace, then it is even stranger. Okay, let's wait for theymos' word (hope he will look into this issue)

Oh great. Now we get even more spam from the campaigners trying to meat their quota to cover the loss!

I ask you to refrain from posting in this thread. The only one spamming here is you

[hilariousandco]

I think all staff can delete or trashcan a thread as long as it is in their jurisdiction so to speak. IE a patroller can only delete or trashcan a thread created by a newbie and a local only mod can only delete/trashcan a thread in their local board.

I know the Wall observer thread is only locked but theymos mentioned creating a board that didn't contribute to post count because of that thread and I thought he may have tested something out with it.

[dillpicklechips]

...theymos mentioned creating a board that didn't contribute to post count because of that thread and I thought he may have tested something out with it.

Have you visited Primedice forum? There is a board which when you post there, it doesn't count and it's for fun so I guess that would be nice if it is implemented here. Looking forward to it. Maybe you can use it as a reference?

Oh great. Now we get even more spam from the campaigners trying to meat their quota to cover the loss!

Lol. Pork or beef? Just kidding. Know who you are accusing with. You can't just judge the book by its cover. Not all who have signature ad means doing like what others are.

[Coding Enthusiast]

Oh great. Now we get even more spam from the campaigners trying to meat their quota to cover the loss!

Lol. Pork or beef? Just kidding. Know who you are accusing with. You can't just judge the book by its cover. Not all who have signature ad means doing like what others are.

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[Wendigo]

My proposal is to have some kind of a jury consisting of at least 2-3 different people who will have the authority to can completely or restore old threads. I think theymos is too busy to spend any time on this thing. So if 2-3 different admins and or global mods agree that a particular thread should be canned, then it should be. If there is no mutual agreement then the deleted thread gets put back up where it was. On first sight all this idea looks like a hella lot of additional work to drudge through but I don't think locking down old threads automatically after a period of time has passed from being deleted is a good idea either because not everything written is worth reading later on so if there is outright crap that thread ought to be deleted.

So tl:dr we need some kind a jury of a couple of admins/mods who will agree or disagree with the deletion of old threads.

[deisik]

I moved your post here since replying where it originated would not be a proper place for my reply

you know there are better paying campaigns out there for a lot less effort? why not check one of those out?

There's not any better campaigns when you have as many posts as he has. He'll get about 7.5 dollars without even making any posts so you can't get much more effortless than that. I think people care too much about their post count here. Sometimes you might have posts or threads deleted but this campaign or forum doesn't owe you anything for that and it's something you'll just have to count as an occupational hazard. I'm sure it's rare that things like this happen anyway

The campaign certainly doesn't have anything to do with this issue

And I think I have already made it pretty clear (that's basically the reason why I created this thread), but I can't agree with your point that "forum doesn't owe you anything for that". As it seems to me, you don't fully understand what this forum (or just any such forum) is essentially about (despite you being a global moderator). The forum is made up of you, me, and other posters (this is what the word itself means), so it can't possibly be the way you look at it, as if it owed nothing to its members (read forum owes everything to its members). Forum members are what a forum consists of, and that cannot be ignored. Hope this helps better understand my point

So tl:dr we need some kind a jury of a couple of admins/mods who will agree or disagree with the deletion of old threads.

Why should old threads get deleted at all (apart from technical issues)?

[hilariousandco]

And I think I have already made it pretty clear (that's basically the reason why I created this thread), but I can't agree with your point that "forum doesn't owe you anything for that". As it seems to me, you don't fully understand what this forum (or just any such forum) is essentially about (despite you being a global moderator). The forum is made up of you, me, and other posters (this is what the word itself means), so it can't possibly be the way you look at it, as if it owed nothing to its members (read forum owes everything to its members). Forum members are what a forum consists of, and that cannot be ignored. Hope this helps better understand my point

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my point at all and it seems you don't know what the forum is about. The forum is to discuss bitcoin. The fact that you can get paid to do so is a privilege and a bonus you should be grateful for, but the forum doesn't owe you a living. You're complaining about something petty because you're upset that you've lost out on a few dollars and that's all this is about.

[deisik]

And I think I have already made it pretty clear (that's basically the reason why I created this thread), but I can't agree with your point that "forum doesn't owe you anything for that". As it seems to me, you don't fully understand what this forum (or just any such forum) is essentially about (despite you being a global moderator). The forum is made up of you, me, and other posters (this is what the word itself means), so it can't possibly be the way you look at it, as if it owed nothing to its members (read forum owes everything to its members). Forum members are what a forum consists of, and that cannot be ignored. Hope this helps better understand my point

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my point at all and it seems you don't know what the forum is about. The forum is to discuss bitcoin. The fact that you can get paid to do so is a privilege and a bonus you should be grateful for, but the forum doesn't owe you a living. You're complaining about something petty because you're upset that you've lost out on a few dollars and that's all this is about

This doesn't change anything

What would it change if I weren't enrolled in a signature campaign? Would it take anything from my argument? I guess I could have said absolutely the same words. Nevertheless, even if we completely discard this point, the forum has become a small Bitcoin economy in and of itself, this is the reality, and you have to face it and deal with that appropriately. Deleting old threads negatively affects this economy, and you have to admit it, so you can't get away with it by claiming that it is just me complaining or being paid for posting is a privilege or a bonus (remember, karma is a bitch). Was that you?

[theymos]

People shouldn't be obsessive about post counts...

I did a global recount of user posts starting yesterday. Your post count had been inaccurate.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And I think I have already made it pretty clear (that's basically the reason why I created this thread), but I can't agree with your point that "forum doesn't owe you anything for that". As it seems to me, you don't fully understand what this forum (or just any such forum) is essentially about (despite you being a global moderator). The forum is made up of you, me, and other posters (this is what the word itself means), so it can't possibly be the way you look at it, as if it owed nothing to its members (read forum owes everything to its members). Forum members are what a forum consists of, and that cannot be ignored. Hope this helps better understand my point

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my point at all and it seems you don't know what the forum is about. The forum is to discuss bitcoin. The fact that you can get paid to do so is a privilege and a bonus you should be grateful for, but the forum doesn't owe you a living. You're complaining about something petty because you're upset that you've lost out on a few dollars and that's all this is about

This doesn't change anything

What would it change if I weren't enrolled in a signature campaign? Would it take anything from my argument? I guess I could have said absolutely the same words. Nevertheless, even if we completely discard this point, the forum has become a small Bitcoin economy in and of itself, this is the reality, and you have to face it and deal with that appropriately. Deleting old threads negatively affects this economy, and you have to admit it, so you can't get away with it by claiming that it is just me complaining or being paid for posting is a privilege or a bonus (remember, karma is a bitch). Was that you?

What would change is that you'd never even realize your posts got deleted.   The administration of this forum has no duty to the economy of which you speak,  and therefore shouldn't give a shit about lost earnings resulting from deleted posts.   Only the campaigners themselves care about that and the majority don't give two shits about the health of this forum.

[BitHodler]

People shouldn't be obsessive about post counts...

I did a global recount of user posts starting yesterday. Your post count had been inaccurate.

I think I have seen my post count shrink with 6 posts, which isn't a big deal for me at all, but I was wondering, how does one end up with an inaccurate post count?

[theymos]

I think I have seen my post count shrink with 6 posts, which isn't a big deal for me at all, but I was wondering, how does one end up with an inaccurate post count?

- There are a few rare mod/admin actions which change your real number of posts but neglect to update your post count.
- Errors can occur which can cause it to drift from the real value.
- If your account is fairly old, then previous post-count recounts will have counted your MOVED: redirection topics, even though these are not counted when you make them. I fixed it this time so that these topics are not counted, undoing the previous erroneous recounts.