Windows 10 version to GTX 1070 rig

[kenelyka]

Guys, could you please recommend me which Windows 10 version/build should I use for my upcoming GTX 1070s rig? I want one on which I'm capable of stopping notifications and run smoothly with Claymore.

[QuintLeo]

IMO don't use Windows 10 AT ALL for a mining-specific rig.

 The ONLY thing that justifies the existance of Windows 10 is DirectX 12 gaming.

 *PERIOD*

 
 If you feel the need to run a mining-specific rig on Windows, 7 is overall a MUCH better option.

[philipma1957]

Guys, could you please recommend me which Windows 10 version/build should I use for my upcoming GTX 1070s rig? I want one on which I'm capable of stopping notifications and run smoothly with Claymore.

do linux  nvoc 0017  by full zero
here is main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1854250.0


here is a very clear thread on setting his os up for ZEC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1998198.0

BETWEEN THE TWO THREADS  you will be able to do claymore  and run smoothly.

and 1070 is really good with ZEC

[VyprBTC]

IMO don't use Windows 10 AT ALL for a mining-specific rig.

 The ONLY thing that justifies the existance of Windows 10 is DirectX 12 gaming.

 *PERIOD*

 
 If you feel the need to run a mining-specific rig on Windows, 7 is overall a MUCH better option.

I'm curious what's the issue you have with Win10 quintleo?

I was going to go to Linux but Ive been running for over a month now on Win10 with zero down time. I know people said updates were an issue but I disabled my updates and haven't had 1 rig go down in over a month?

[QuintLeo]

I would guess you're not running the base "Windows 10 Home" then, which is very difficult to get updates to be disabled in AND the only "registry edit" option doesn't work 100% reliably as Mickey$loth can manage to override it somehow on "critical updates".

 I also STRONGLY dislike the changes they made to the UI (especially the carry-over worthlessness BS from Win8).

 I see a LOT worse stability in 10 than in 7.

 I hate that "Cortana" BS you CAN'T GET RID OF, along with quite a few other "can't get rid of them" apps that just waste drive space, but at least most of the others don't automatically load and waste CPU cycles and RAM no matter WHAT you do.

 Don't even get me started on the "call home" crap that's built into the OS.

 It's a VERY VERY long list....


 TO be fair, I do have some issues with 7 - but the primary one never got fixed (the "explorer doesn't save your file window positioning" issue) and STILL exists in 10 - which is WHY I still have a XP system around and will continue to do so 'till I get around to replacing what that system does with a LINUX system, since Mickey$loth has made it obvious that they consider this particular issue a "feature" and not a "BUG THAT TICKS A LOT OF FOLKS OFF".


 GTX 1070 is just a good all-around mining card, which is why they've joined the high-end RX series cards in the "massively price gouge, amazingly short supply" category.

[puwaha]

IMO don't use Windows 10 AT ALL for a mining-specific rig.

 The ONLY thing that justifies the existance of Windows 10 is DirectX 12 gaming.

 *PERIOD*

 
 If you feel the need to run a mining-specific rig on Windows, 7 is overall a MUCH better option.

Ugh... Please don't keep doing this.

There's nothing wrong with using Windows especially Windows 10 when it comes to a mining OS.  The only negative thing about it is that you have to pay for it.

I would guess you're not running the base "Windows 10 Home" then, which is very difficult to get updates to be disabled in AND the only "registry edit" option doesn't work 100% reliably as Mickey$loth can manage to override it somehow on "critical updates".

It's not difficult at all, as I showed you in the other thread.  Just disable the Windows Update service and you won't get any more updates.  It takes 60 seconds to do.

I also STRONGLY dislike the changes they made to the UI (especially the carry-over worthlessness BS from Win8).

Subjective, but that's like your opinion, man.

I see a LOT worse stability in 10 than in 7.

I'm not sure what you could possibly be doing that would cause stability issues in Windows 10.  It's extremely stable in all of my experience.

I hate that "Cortana" BS you CAN'T GET RID OF, along with quite a few other "can't get rid of them" apps that just waste drive space, but at least most of the others don't automatically load and waste CPU cycles and RAM no matter WHAT you do.

If you want a lighter OS, use Windows Server.  Windows 10 is meant for an interactive experience... so of course it's going to have more tools, and features.

Don't even get me started on the "call home" crap that's built into the OS.

I've always found this criticism hilarious, especially when it's posted on the internet.

It's a VERY VERY long list....


 TO be fair, I do have some issues with 7 - but the primary one never got fixed (the "explorer doesn't save your file window positioning" issue) and STILL exists in 10 - which is WHY I still have a XP system around and will continue to do so 'till I get around to replacing what that system does with a LINUX system, since Mickey$loth has made it obvious that they consider this particular issue a "feature" and not a "BUG THAT TICKS A LOT OF FOLKS OFF".

I'm not even sure any of that required any capital letters.  Seems like a petty criticism.

GTX 1070 is just a good all-around mining card, which is why they've joined the high-end RX series cards in the "massively price gouge, amazingly short supply" category.

Finally... something we can agree on. 

[QuintLeo]

Windows has inferior stability to LINUX - and recent Windows versions haven't even been close.
 For reference, I have a lot of machines that have run the Distributed.Net RC5-72 client (which is doing crypto work and loads down a GPU just as hard as any cryptocoin mining, they're doing VERY VERY similar work) and had ZERO failures in many years of operation - some having gone for 18+ YEARS with the only downtime being (1) hardware failure, usually on the hard drive (2) power outage (3) shut them down to move them - and NONE of them have ever had a software-related crash in all of those years on dozens of systems.

 Uptime measured in years is COMMON for LINUX systems.
 I've NEVER seen any Windows system manage 1 years uptime (one exception, a NT 3.51 SP5 server that was strictly doing file serving), and 1 MONTH uptime on anything since NT 4 SP6 is uncommon even in such narrow usage.

 This is not speaking just about my own systems - I worked IT for a couple of large corporations for quite a few years, including being the #2 tech on the FAFSA on the Web site for a year and change.

 Windows DOES have better tools for managing overclocking/undervolting and such, and it does handle "mixed" rigs a ton better, but those are the only advantages a Windows system has to a miner.


 The UI - is definitely subjective, I have known a couple folks that liked that Win8 abomination.
 In my case, the one time I tried to use it (pre-installed on a system I bought as a system), I spent 6 HOURS just trying to get one simple thing done and COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW.
 I wanted to figure out if a piece of "pre-installed mining software" was on the machine so I could configure it and start it up - and couldn't even figure out *IF* the software had been installed, much less how to get to it to do anything with it.
 Yanno, BASIC stuff - and Win8 UI would not LET ME DO IT.

 It took me about ONE hour to do a "from scratch" Ubuntu / XFCE install, get the mining software installed, configured, up and running.
 THAT is why I absolutely despise what I classify as the "TOTALLY UNUSABLE EXCUSE FOR A UI" that Windows 8 has and refuse to have anything to do with that abomination ever again.
 By far the most USER-UNFRIENDLY excuse for a so-called UI I've ever suffered through.


 I don't see how you can be seeing stability like you claim in 10 - I've yet to see ANY Win 10 system go more than a week without needing a reboot or having a crash, no matter how little I was doing on it. I eventually just said "just say no" on anything but one gaming system due to the constant crashes and joke performance issues (recent drivers are reported to have fixed the performance issues, and might have been part or most of the cause of the crashyness, I'll concede).

 However, I have yet to see ANYONE claim Win10 is capable of higher performance for mining than Win7.



 If I'm going to use a "server" OS, I will use LINUX - better performance, MUCH better stability, than anything Windows has ever been. I don't see the point of playing Micro$loth's massively INFLATED pricing for their "server" OS versions.



 The "file window" issue is one that has been ticking a lot of folks off for YEARS, yet Mickey$loth has blown it off for years. Thus the emphasis - and I know a FEW folks and have talked to friends in IT departments in a couple of largish companies that have stated that it is one reason they refuse to move away from XP on at least SOME of their production systems - and in a couple of those cases it was the "straw that broke the camel's back" on a decision to abandon Windows entirely and move to a LINUX solution.



 If you like Win 10, that's your call - just don't expect EVERYONE to believe you when you make claims that go against the experience of a lot of folks about "how stable" it is.

[fr4nkthetank]

meh if you have windows on hand, just install that.  dont buy an OS just for mining, there are many valid options out there for you. 

[zhulick]

if you can get your hands on win 10 LTSB enterprise version, do it.

this is the enterprise version meant for appliances that are always on, like cash registers, hvac systems etc.  

this version comes with no windows store, cortana, edge or other nonsense that comes with regular win 10.  it also receives no feature updates, but does get all the security patches etc.   the 2016 LTSB (the latest version),  is basically windows 10 version from this fall (before the creators update).  It has all the advantages of the new os and looks like windows 10, but acts and feels like windows 7 (no random rebooting to apply updates, spying or junk apps etc).

you cannot buy this version, unless you're a business that needs a boatload of licenses.  you'll need either a friend with a msdn sub, or use a torrented copy.

[puwaha]

Windows has inferior stability to LINUX - and recent Windows versions haven't even been close.
 For reference, I have a lot of machines that have run the Distributed.Net RC5-72 client (which is doing crypto work and loads down a GPU just as hard as any cryptocoin mining, they're doing VERY VERY similar work) and had ZERO failures in many years of operation - some having gone for 18+ YEARS with the only downtime being (1) hardware failure, usually on the hard drive (2) power outage (3) shut them down to move them - and NONE of them have ever had a software-related crash in all of those years on dozens of systems.

 Uptime measured in years is COMMON for LINUX systems.
 I've NEVER seen any Windows system manage 1 years uptime (one exception, a NT 3.51 SP5 server that was strictly doing file serving), and 1 MONTH uptime on anything since NT 4 SP6 is uncommon even in such narrow usage.

 This is not speaking just about my own systems - I worked IT for a couple of large corporations for quite a few years, including being the #2 tech on the FAFSA on the Web site for a year and change.

 Windows DOES have better tools for managing overclocking/undervolting and such, and it does handle "mixed" rigs a ton better, but those are the only advantages a Windows system has to a miner.


 The UI - is definitely subjective, I have known a couple folks that liked that Win8 abomination.
 In my case, the one time I tried to use it (pre-installed on a system I bought as a system), I spent 6 HOURS just trying to get one simple thing done and COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW.
 I wanted to figure out if a piece of "pre-installed mining software" was on the machine so I could configure it and start it up - and couldn't even figure out *IF* the software had been installed, much less how to get to it to do anything with it.
 Yanno, BASIC stuff - and Win8 UI would not LET ME DO IT.

 It took me about ONE hour to do a "from scratch" Ubuntu / XFCE install, get the mining software installed, configured, up and running.
 THAT is why I absolutely despise what I classify as the "TOTALLY UNUSABLE EXCUSE FOR A UI" that Windows 8 has and refuse to have anything to do with that abomination ever again.
 By far the most USER-UNFRIENDLY excuse for a so-called UI I've ever suffered through.


 I don't see how you can be seeing stability like you claim in 10 - I've yet to see ANY Win 10 system go more than a week without needing a reboot or having a crash, no matter how little I was doing on it. I eventually just said "just say no" on anything but one gaming system due to the constant crashes and joke performance issues (recent drivers are reported to have fixed the performance issues, and might have been part or most of the cause of the crashyness, I'll concede).

 However, I have yet to see ANYONE claim Win10 is capable of higher performance for mining than Win7.



 If I'm going to use a "server" OS, I will use LINUX - better performance, MUCH better stability, than anything Windows has ever been. I don't see the point of playing Micro$loth's massively INFLATED pricing for their "server" OS versions.



 The "file window" issue is one that has been ticking a lot of folks off for YEARS, yet Mickey$loth has blown it off for years. Thus the emphasis - and I know a FEW folks and have talked to friends in IT departments in a couple of largish companies that have stated that it is one reason they refuse to move away from XP on at least SOME of their production systems - and in a couple of those cases it was the "straw that broke the camel's back" on a decision to abandon Windows entirely and move to a LINUX solution.



 If you like Win 10, that's your call - just don't expect EVERYONE to believe you when you make claims that go against the experience of a lot of folks about "how stable" it is.

QuintLeo,

I respect your opinions and input on a great many subjects, but your information on Windows is biased, and just wrong.  No offence, bro.

[MATHReX]

Windows has inferior stability to LINUX - and recent Windows versions haven't even been close.
 For reference, I have a lot of machines that have run the Distributed.Net RC5-72 client (which is doing crypto work and loads down a GPU just as hard as any cryptocoin mining, they're doing VERY VERY similar work) and had ZERO failures in many years of operation - some having gone for 18+ YEARS with the only downtime being (1) hardware failure, usually on the hard drive (2) power outage (3) shut them down to move them - and NONE of them have ever had a software-related crash in all of those years on dozens of systems.

 Uptime measured in years is COMMON for LINUX systems.
 I've NEVER seen any Windows system manage 1 years uptime (one exception, a NT 3.51 SP5 server that was strictly doing file serving), and 1 MONTH uptime on anything since NT 4 SP6 is uncommon even in such narrow usage.

 This is not speaking just about my own systems - I worked IT for a couple of large corporations for quite a few years, including being the #2 tech on the FAFSA on the Web site for a year and change.

 Windows DOES have better tools for managing overclocking/undervolting and such, and it does handle "mixed" rigs a ton better, but those are the only advantages a Windows system has to a miner.


 The UI - is definitely subjective, I have known a couple folks that liked that Win8 abomination.
 In my case, the one time I tried to use it (pre-installed on a system I bought as a system), I spent 6 HOURS just trying to get one simple thing done and COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW.
 I wanted to figure out if a piece of "pre-installed mining software" was on the machine so I could configure it and start it up - and couldn't even figure out *IF* the software had been installed, much less how to get to it to do anything with it.
 Yanno, BASIC stuff - and Win8 UI would not LET ME DO IT.

 It took me about ONE hour to do a "from scratch" Ubuntu / XFCE install, get the mining software installed, configured, up and running.
 THAT is why I absolutely despise what I classify as the "TOTALLY UNUSABLE EXCUSE FOR A UI" that Windows 8 has and refuse to have anything to do with that abomination ever again.
 By far the most USER-UNFRIENDLY excuse for a so-called UI I've ever suffered through.


 I don't see how you can be seeing stability like you claim in 10 - I've yet to see ANY Win 10 system go more than a week without needing a reboot or having a crash, no matter how little I was doing on it. I eventually just said "just say no" on anything but one gaming system due to the constant crashes and joke performance issues (recent drivers are reported to have fixed the performance issues, and might have been part or most of the cause of the crashyness, I'll concede).

 However, I have yet to see ANYONE claim Win10 is capable of higher performance for mining than Win7.



 If I'm going to use a "server" OS, I will use LINUX - better performance, MUCH better stability, than anything Windows has ever been. I don't see the point of playing Micro$loth's massively INFLATED pricing for their "server" OS versions.



 The "file window" issue is one that has been ticking a lot of folks off for YEARS, yet Mickey$loth has blown it off for years. Thus the emphasis - and I know a FEW folks and have talked to friends in IT departments in a couple of largish companies that have stated that it is one reason they refuse to move away from XP on at least SOME of their production systems - and in a couple of those cases it was the "straw that broke the camel's back" on a decision to abandon Windows entirely and move to a LINUX solution.



 If you like Win 10, that's your call - just don't expect EVERYONE to believe you when you make claims that go against the experience of a lot of folks about "how stable" it is.

You've got some really good points there, but regarding the uptime of Windows 10 rigs for mining, they have got some really good stability. In my personal experience, I was able to get more than a week uptime without any errors and it would have continued to work on if I didn't have to make some necessary hardware changes which lead me to shut down the system.

[TheGoodMiner]

I've ran Win 10 Home for months, no problems at all. No downtime due to the OS. However Windows, is closed source your coins are never truly safe if you cannot see the source code behind your operation system.