Crypto Kingdom Game Thread

[vokain]

Hi y'all. glad to see everyOne here

[rpietila]

- - This is a preliminary warning of a possible Phase Change - -


I don't want to talk loosely here, the situation is critical now. I think there is too much of a disconnect between me and the players, as evidenced by the following:

* 4 weeks of CK:U have caused only 14 valid players to migrate, this is less than 50% and not enough to continue with this version;
* some people claim that I stole their funds, whereas the fact is I have never withdrawn a single monerito from any CK game. In this spring, all of my 50,000 XMR (~USD 2 million) were spent from the game by gifts, M3 sales (against Markka) and outright theft. In addition, I always paid PJ salaries from my pocket, and also redeemed him to work forever without no payment, all from my pocket;
* darkness rebellion was not fair; I always possessed the majority of all Markka, so the ouster from my GM position was not according to rules, hence fully illegal;
* Embassy theft needs some time to resolve, I will surely get back at least the items, and the stupidguys go to jail. I am sorry to inform that the BTC is unable to recover as it was transferred upon the theft and hidden;
* I still possess some funds, especially the Poloniex account (USD 2), Markkas in Ultima (USD 0-3) and CH shares (0.5);
* I acknowledge some of the debts that people hold against me as valid, but please understand that the game is a game and cannot collect from out-of-game assets;
* I will stop doing all this and spend time in my castle instead, it will be timeshare based bitcoin castle (1 share is 1 week in the best accommodation (1 room) availabel, any time of the year (total 500 will be issued, for 50 weeks * 10 rooms (it has 13 bedrooms) and it's possible I give some of the
timeshares to the holders of debt if this can be resolved amicably;
* I can liquidate all my Markka position (rightfully more than 2 trillion) to pay the debts as well, but preferably to those who actually were hurt, and did not comply with the rebellion;
I AM OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS; ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS.

[smooth]

* I acknowledge some of the debts that people hold against me as valid, but please understand that the game is a game and cannot collect from out-of-game assets;

When you create depository tokens in the game but unlike everyone else, instead of actually depositing funds with the treasurer, you rely on your position as game founder, game master, etc. to promise to pay those funds later, that is not 'a game is a game and cannot collect from out-of-game assets', that is an out-of-game deficiency based on your own misconduct.

When you offer to purchase in-game assets (in particular, the above fraudulent fractional reserve depository tokens) for out-of-game payment (in large part to address the pre-existing deficiency described above), and such offer is accepted by others who deliver the in-game assets to you, but then you fail to make the out-of-game payment that was agreed, that is also not 'a game is a gam' that is an out-of-game debt.

Even if these agreements to purchase in-game assets for out-of-game payment were somehow invalidated or cancelled (though I can't imagine why that would happen), it would still leave those depository tokens in circulation and you in debt for the out-of-game deficiency for the funds that you failed to actually deposit when you created those tokens.

I AM OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS; ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS.

The suggestion is to stop acting like a scammer and pay your debts. The Poloniex funds alone are more than sufficient to repay the original principal and stop the accrual of additional interest. Such payment (or even undertaking a process of regular partial payments) would also strengthen your position in negotiating to restoring access to your in-game assets.

[rpietila]

I read when smooth writes above, but there are salient points in my own, completely unaddressed:

1. I am 2+ million down on this game already, and all this money has gone to your pocket, players. Have some luv, ok?

2. Crichton stole the game and took it down, for which reason the ledger is corrupted and there is no means to pay ingame.

Address these, I am available for 100% loss (everything in addition to the 2+ million and 3 years of my time, and I acknowledge darkness won this one) but obviously the bleeding stops about there, I am not a stupid one and stealing the game was too much.

[generalizethis]

I read when smooth writes above, but there are salient points in my own, completely unaddressed:

1. I am 2+ million down on this game already, and all this money has gone to your pocket, players. Have some luv, ok?

2. Crichton stole the game and took it down, for which reason the ledger is corrupted and there is no means to pay ingame.

Address these, I am available for 100% loss (everything in addition to the 2+ million and 3 years of my time, and I acknowledge darkness won this one) but obviously the bleeding stops about there, I am not a stupid one and stealing the game was too much.

I stole the game? How? Pretty sure that was a unanimous decision by a board vote after you dismissed/denied/delayed the debt you created--you did that and can fix it any time you want/can--you created the debt. pay it.

All the deflection/blame/pleas-for-sympathy reads like the delusions of a psychopath.

[smooth]

I read when smooth writes above, but there are salient points in my own, completely unaddressed:

1. I am 2+ million down on this game already, and all this money has gone to your pocket, players. Have some luv, ok?

Fair point, but that was, I assume, your choice to invest in building a game that presumably you felt would be worth more than two million (after all, I consider you too intelligent to spend 2 million on something that you expect to be worth less than 2 million).

Indeed, most reasonable people would agree that it had a far greater chance to be worth more than 2 million before you went off the rails and started refusing to pay your debts, leading directly to the 'rebellion' and other issues you mention.

2. Crichton stole the game and took it down, for which reason the ledger is corrupted and there is no means to pay ingame.

I will confess that not an expert on the game rules, but I do know this was done only after players found that they weren't being paid, for depository tokens which you created and which they had purchased (the terms of such purchase varied, but in nearly all cases players obtained those tokens by trading for other valuable goods or services, in some cases at least, other depository tokens purchased with other, real, out-of-game funds).

As a matter of damage control, I don't find freezing your accounts and denying access until the debts are paid to be unreasonable. Perhaps it violated in-game rules, perhaps not. If so, then the remedy for that should be in-game.

All that said, it it seems likely to me that an agreement could be reached with the appropriate parties regarding both restoring at least some degree of control over the game (with perhaps some enhanced integrity controls to prevent a recurrence) and payment of the debts. However, I speak for no one on this.

[smooth]

How do you feel smooth, you were the first person ever to write to CK original thread. Happy now? I feel sad.. 3 years of work and all this money down the drain because nobody takes action about crime in daylight...

I feel sad that you decided to veer in a self-destructive direction and take down not only yourself, but also the game, and in doing so caused great harm and pain to people far less able than you or me to absorb the losses (which includes both the unpaid debts as well as the loss of value of in-game assets; for a number of devoted players those assets were life changing before you blew up their value).

The least you can do at this point is at least pay the debts. If you don't want to work to undo the damage you did to the game, you can at least undo the damage to those you directly screwed by shorting the depository funds.

[CK_Zephyrus]

For the benefit of readers, I will rehash some well known facts below, interspersed with my replies. This will also be crossposted to the new uncensored CK thread.

* some people claim that I stole their funds, whereas the fact is I have never withdrawn a single monerito from any CK game. In this spring, all of my 50,000 XMR (~USD 2 million) were spent from the game by gifts, M3 sales (against Markka) and outright theft. In addition, I always paid PJ salaries from my pocket, and also redeemed him to work forever without no payment, all from my pocket;

The two are compatible (assuming you did not withdraw anything, I do not know). You have scammed B1, not monerito, but I'll choose to assume this is just loose talk, and that you are claiming you did not withraw bitcoin instead: you have created, and used, in game items (B1 tokens) that were supposed to be only created from a matching deposit. Given you were running the bitcoin wallet, nobody saw whether you, or not, in fact, deposited the bitcoin to back these. Whether you did or not, the failure (and subsequent mockery) to honour the debt you created is what we're crossed about. Whether you withdrew from the game or not is irrelevant, since it is only one of the ways in which you could have created debt to others.

* darkness rebellion was not fair; I always possessed the majority of all Markka, so the ouster from my GM position was not according to rules, hence fully illegal;

According to the rules of the game, locking you out of your accounts might have been against the rules, I'm not sure as I have not checked thoroughly. However, I remember that crichton did convene a meeting as per the rules, with the required amount of notice, and the game was put under the supervision of what you call the "darkness", but I more prosaically call a caretaker group. You might or might not remember, but crichton was temporarily in control of a lot of M, due to your mucking around with character IDs to swap 1 and 36 (IIRC) and thus breaking changelog usefulness. During that time, crichton had most of the M.

That said, this is not super relevant either. I decided kicked you out once it became clear you were not about to stop your descent into idiocy, and that locking you out was both (1) leverage to get you to refund those you stiffed and (2) a defense against the wanton vandalism you had inficted the game so far.

* Embassy theft needs some time to resolve, I will surely get back at least the items, and the stupidguys go to jail. I am sorry to inform that the BTC is unable to recover as it was transferred upon the theft and hidden;

The whole timeline of these events is suspect, given that you started withholding bitcoin and mocking us before this supposed theft (plus the fire, and the flood) happen. My current opinion is that it is all bullshit and/or self manufactured. I choose to disbelieve that you would somehow decide to put all or most your bitcoin in paper wallets, which you'd keep stored in a public area near a naked flame.

* I acknowledge some of the debts that people hold against me as valid, but please understand that the game is a game and cannot collect from out-of-game assets;

In game debts are wholly in game, agreed. If you have in game debts, then they stay there.
In case you said this because you were attempting to equate your debts to in game debts, then I am afraid they are emphatically not in game debts. The bitcoin depository was an out of game wallet, as any reasonable person would find. And your subsequent agreement to exchange B1 for bitcoin was clearly an in game to out of game action, as bitcoin wallets are an out of game thing, as, again, any reasonable person would find.

* I can liquidate all my Markka position (rightfully more than 2 trillion) to pay the debts as well, but preferably to those who actually were hurt, and did not comply with the rebellion;
I AM OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS; ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS.

As I said to you several times before, if you find a buyer for any/some/all/part of your in game holdings, then I will facilitate the transaction, under the condition that the buyer's bitcoin goes directly to creditors, or an otherwise trusted party for distribution to creditors.

It is still my hope that this can be solved, and to get you back in the game and making it better. It has recently seemed that this path was closed, due to you starting another game, but I am glad to see you may be willing to make things right. As Karl Hungus, I believe there is potential still, especially if the ability to access player's funds/items is curtailed (since your reputation may take time to heal, even after paying your debts back). Moreover, I do agree that you did pay for the game to develop (though not all: a large part was paid by everyone, through the sale of in-game consols, though I do not know where most of the dev money came from). However, paying for this does not entitle you to then withhold owed money from others. You seem to assume evil intent from us, but really we're just miffed by your own  evil intent when you decided to withhold withdrawals (before the alleged fire, flood, and theft), and mocked us over it.

Anyway, my suggestion is still the same: pay the roughly 600 or 700 bitcoin or so that are due (or strike deals with individual creditors as appropriate). If this is done, I will give your accounts back (pending agreement from the other two members of the "darkness" caretaker group).

[smooth]

blah blah blah

Make good on the depository shares that you shorted, and then you'll have some credibility.

There is not and never was any legitimate reason to fail to deposit what was due for your depository shares. This is something that every single other user of the game did. It was only you who failed to deposit. This was only possible at all because of the trust you enjoyed as creator of the game, and your trust in the crypto community. Trust which you abused in order to scam.

Until then, you are simply a clear scammer with unpaid debts, who ripped off others causing clear, obvious and direct harm. Please pay your debts.

[Karl Hungus]

U serious Karl Hungus now have CK_Zephyrus??   Why is scammuh-accusation coming there OZ suddenly blind in add. to dead??  

@Risto, I'm neutral. I can see both sides of this argument, but my interests are aligned with those players trying to save the Game now, and then later those who might join and try and make it a success. I hope that includes you, but I can't control anything but my own choices and actions, so what happens from here is unclear, and to a great extent, out of my control. I think the Game can survive without you, but I would very much prefer that the outstanding issues are resolved, and you regain control of your accounts.

edit:
you own ~50% of the Game 'M', and outstanding b1 debts are ~700 bitcoins, so ~2M USD
if we can collectively get the marketcap of "M" over 4M USD, then your equity in CK can pay off the debts
if we got the MK to 10M USD, you could pay off the debts in "M", and still have enough left over to 'play' the Game as a major stakeholder
it seems totally ridiculous that with the community assembled around CK, we can't collectively achieve a CK marketcap greater than 10M USD
Can't we ALL try a little harder to work this out, and get on the same team?
The competition at the 10M USD level isn't that impressive.

[Karl Hungus]

Obvious such rant will be deleted in due course, problem though remaining that CK seems to be toast in its all and entirety which no is good news for pplz who actually suffered damage, I know at least two such: Karl Hungus and Loaf. Every else feels like pocketing my stuffz in multiples of his "investment" (its a fucken game yo you mothafucka u no understand much yo(?))

Only saddam would know everyone's net position, but yes, I'm down an eye watering amount, must be +30K XMR at least.

Many who withdrew during the 'panic' under the artificial valuation created by the E1 peg made a HUGE ROI, and it hurt the Game immensely when everything imploded with a mass exit during a time when @Risto was obviously struggling in his life, and was making many disturbed posts about his private situation. I remember even seeing Risto posting that admins could 'give' themselves and others who asked  'CK' from his accounts, and the change log showed later that many did indeed take funds from Risto, even though he seemed to be suffering a breakdown of sorts. Was this OK? I don't really know, taking money from a 'disturbed' person doesn't sound cool, but Risto did specifically allow this, and the 'panic' in the Game was created largely by Risto, as was the artificial valuation that ended up causing the mass exit. The changelog shows what happened.

The point is this is all in the past now, those who withdrew are largely gone, and if they want to come back they have to deposit again. As I did not withdraw much (just one withdraw of 2K XMR since the Game started), I have ended up owning a large share of what's left, and I intend to use what influence I have to make the Game better.

I'm not here to judge anyone else for what happened, I'm focused on the future, and what can be done to make the Game a success.

[rpietila]

Can't we ALL try a little harder to work this out, and get on the same team?

Karl, consider for a moment who I AM. Ever seen a good movie, well THIS IS. And it just refuses to stop: when this phase ends, do you think it's somehow over? No, darkness cannot contain ME, since it has nothing in ME. You don't believe, still? Well, you don't go to hell, you just remain in darkness (I thought you were light because you so serene and always gave a load of your assets esp. when asked, including your present troubles (caused by your involvement in CK/etc and the spread of light there) and refuse to believe that the only actual (otherworldly) monetary/financial fact important in CK is:

who paid money (XMR, BTC) to the system
who took it out

Since it is not difficult to determine almost exactly (~97.5% of characters (by wealth) are public), why is it that difficult to come to public about the facts? Is it - like - my job to pray for access to my own systems to prove conclusively that the major withdraws coincided with my ouster and tampering of the changelog etc. The very same people calling ME scammer (Crichton, Mooo, SirJacket, smooth) , are the ones whose pockets are now full of BTC/XMR that are part of the 1000 BTC I outright lost in connection with Ron, and the 86,000 XMR that used to be in Saddam's depository (so that my controlled characters' share was ~60,000 and the Town characters ~10,000 (so the actual fact is that in addition to my owning 52-55% of shares at all times, I also had almost all the XMR at all times).


It almost feels that every time I hear this fucking-shit a tear comes to my eye... prompting me to make an easy-to-erect and sad-to-enforce rule as to what kind of people I deign to interact with in my life, so the list of forbidden words are now:

1. crazy (and all derivatives thereof, in addition to everything that relates to Mind being a 'disorder' in any Being, those professed "doctors" will be prosecuted for their evils in due course!) added to list (~) 9.11.2016
2. scammer (since if the light of this single threadpost, multiplied by the light in your STO/STS polarisation, is a positive amount (indicating that you have at least any light in yourself) there is just no way to make a case against ME for mismanaging CK, since I, (among other doings of mine, related to the Game at hand),
* created it;
* Gamemastered it all the time it had any value (from ~0 to ~20-100 (depending on valuation currency (BTC/XMR/EUR) used) USD Million;
* never withdraw anything;
* never took a dime of salary;
* never took anything, real or virtual, and according to the strictest definition of Dear Reader, belonging to anyone;
* always gave this and that, real or virtual, and according to the strictest definition of Dear Reader, to everyone, for free;
* paid many people to enter the game;
* made many people rich;
* lost more money in the game than anyone else, by a margin of at least 1000%, more than EUR 3 million at the current values, more than EUR 1 million at the values of date given, and every motoshi of this money is pocketed by people whom I made rich and it is literally my sweat AND my money that is burning their pockets, you hear me YA (YOUR ASSHOLINESS) SCAMMER CRICHTON & CORP OF SCAMMERS; added to list 23.7.2017

, AND it should, so therefore, be obvious to whom the verb 'screwed' actually applies (me))).


If you say this has been MY brainchild, and pet project, you are not that far from truth...

I care of MY creation. Darknessdudes who do not understand plain word are free to suffer anything (the ingenious balancing mechanism of) Karma may bring upon them, up to and including physical death by any method, as part of their departure from the Game, as agreed previously on the Planes.


----> Good news is that I have strongly felt for a few days now that the next chapter in the galactical battle, is starting from here <----


Since I understand more than in previous chapters, and the battle is harder than previous (remember: to the list of what I used to call 'gaslighting' but whole theory needs update when I have time, to the 'incidents' surrounding me, who have never sinned (because if anyone, I AM the one to define the concept, and my judgment is that most of it ('sin') is misunderstanding/deception, in the form usually believed), add: (+)
- extrajudicial kidnapping of my children in a seemingly permanent fashion;
- arson of ambassadorial property protected by international law, lame try to blame me on it, I have photo proof;
- grand theft in plain daylight, of all my bitcoin paperwallets and other liquid items totalling 3-17 million USD;
- tricking me to take responsibility of unservicable debts, and removing my access to the collateral by means of a theft AND unlawful coup in CK administration;
- death threats;
- mugging;
- pointing HH The Archduke with a sidearm, while OtherDude mugging me to not touch a woman for whom I (without prior planning AND without evil or lustful premonition) started to feel a multitude of feelings that just wont' die away.

Darkness, u know u should realise by now u toast, ok? (WD??)

1 `Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;
2 in the house of my Father are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;
3 and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;
4 and whither I go away ye have known, and the way ye have known.'

5 Thomas saith to him, `Sir, we have not known whither thou goest away, and how are we able to know the way?'
6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;
7 if ye had known me, my Father also ye would have known, and from this time ye have known Him, and have seen Him.'
8 Philip saith to him, `Sir, shew to us the Father, and it is enough for us;'

9 Jesus saith to him, `So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? the sayings that I speak to you, from myself I speak not, and the Father who is abiding in me, Himself doth the works;
11 believe me, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and if not, because of the works themselves, believe me.

12 `Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do--that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to my Father;
13 and whatever ye may ask in my name, I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son;
14 if ye ask anything in my name I will do it .

15 `If ye love me, my commands keep,
16 and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you--to the age;
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;
19 yet a little, and the world doth no more behold me, and ye behold me, because I live, and ye shall live;
20 in that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;
21 he who is having my commands, and is keeping them, that one it is who is loving me, and he who is loving me shall be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.'

22 Judas saith to him, (not the Iscariot), `Sir, what hath come to pass, that to us thou are about to manifest thyself, and not to the world?'
23 Jesus answered and said to him, `If any one may love me, my word he will keep, and my Father will love him, and unto him we will come, and abode with him we will make;
24 he who is not loving me, my words doth not keep; and the word that ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.

25 `These things I have spoken to you, remaining with you,
26 and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
27 `Peace I leave to you; my peace I give to you, not according as the world doth give do I give to you; let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid;
28 ye heard that I said to you--I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love me, ye would have rejoiced that I said--I go on to the Father, because my Father is greater than I.

29 `And now I have said it to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;
30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world doth come, and in me he hath nothing;
31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and according as the Father gave me command so I do; arise, we may go hence.

In the name of the Infinite Creator (Son addressing Father in this act, Spirit on call (and as the topic), Mother sadly* absent):

Any resemblance in the above quote to any events in any worlds, real or virtual (and which is which), may or may not be purely incidental, and to find it out, remember that even the accursed MUM (XTC, coke, same day with lotsa weed) gives wisdom (even if not health), and doing it should happen in accordance with the Epic and Unabridged Concordance of UND items unlike yours truly just did and has no one but Himself to thank for the "new revelations" (the daily dose of unforgetting some of the Starchild Ways to Live, to replace the motherfuckingshit that the world is now.
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ADD:

pplz who actually suffered damage, I know at least two such: Karl Hungus and Loaf. Every else feels like pocketing my stuffz in multiples of his "investment" (its a fucken game yo you mothafucka u no understand much yo(?))

Only saddam would know everyone's net position, but yes, I'm down an eye watering amount, must be +30K XMR at least.

Bah, u know there is a reason why nothing was made in secret - saddam is free to disclose that the following claim is just not true:

those who withdrew are largely gone

Largest withdrawers include Crichton, Mooo and SirJacket, the same vipers on my lap, who still continue to run the system to the ground, and thumbsuck prevails in the goodness camp to the extent that the tear in my'eye drops to my mous-tache that smells like cigar in the warm morning breeze of Ibiza while people wonder what struck them and how it's possible for the same dude to always rise up stronger, even Joker sometimes died and paid taxes, did he? (not)

And this is bullshit I feel sorry for yo bro:

Many who withdrew during the 'panic' under the artificial valuation created by the E1 peg made a HUGE ROI, and it hurt the Game immensely when everything imploded with a mass exit during a time when @Risto was obviously struggling in his life, and was making many disturbed posts about his private situation. I remember even seeing Risto posting that admins could 'give' themselves and others who asked  'CK' from his accounts, and the change log showed later that many did indeed take funds from Risto, even though he seemed to be suffering a breakdown of sorts. Was this OK? I don't really know, taking money from a 'disturbed' person doesn't sound cool, but Risto did specifically allow this, and the 'panic' in the Game was created largely by Risto, as was the artificial valuation that ended up causing the mass exit. The changelog shows what happened.

As for:

I'm not here to judge anyone else for what happened, I'm focused on the future

, darkness will prevail exactly as long as OZtriches do what they always do when it is socially advisable to throw one more stick of wood to the one below Jeanne d'Arc, or blacklist Santa Claus 1) for the crime of bringing presents of different value to different people, and 2) (cf. Embassy and Rebellion) refuse to bring what was promised when it was lost when Polar Circle Base was lost to arson, flood and theft and Commander fled, mugged, in silver pants with no underwear even as darkness blew the fuse about i) light and ii) love there, AND 3) refusing to fulfil all of everyone's wishes in general, irregardless if expressed.

"O sancta simplicitas!" - Jeanne
"I AM done with this shit." - Zechariah

and what can be done to make the Game a success.

The game is done, scammers exited with money (pretending to continue it), and I become more balanced in that I no too much care to give out finances to people who don't understand, any more.

This post is a shitload of information to anyOne who understand, and yes I know most of you know shit, and I also not much but it's gun b waay more fun a world here when uw (incl me) wake up a little. [A comment about 'thinking' (in four letter word) redacted for length.]



** The Mansions are not the destination for us, since we had enuff 4 a while - heavenly mansions remain open and accessible (though) and dudes are in there, and 1*WOMAN as well, lately <3 <3

, etc (x6)

[Karl Hungus]

...

Risto, please tell me what I can do now to help the situation from your point of view?

If the holders of outstanding b1 debt were prepared to accept that repayments only started after 'M' reached a certain valuation, would you be prepared to negotiate further  (i.e. you started repaying when the Game has recovered such that you could sell M for bitcoin to repay the b1 debts, and you could still retain a large stake in the Game).

I understand paying bitcoin NOW while the Game valuation is low might be unacceptable to you given your current level of CK losses, but are you prepared to honour the b1 debts contingent on the Game recovering?

I think if the CK marketcap reached 10M USD, you could start repaying the b1 debt as bitcoins, fully honouring the debts, PLUS, you would still hold a sizeable % of the Game, which is fair and proper, given all you have done to create CK.

10M USD marketcap for CK is 100% achievable with everyone working together again.

Can we put the Band back together?



edit:
If you can resolve the b1 debt issue, you can get back control of your user accounts - then you can 'battle' the forces of darkness you mention inside the Game - isn't that better than walking away?
I'm sure many b1 creditors would accept a compromise settlement that offers 'some' chance of them being paid, AND, you'd get your chance to meet your 'enemies' in the field.
Isn't that what you want, a chance to defeat those who did this to you?
Come back and play the GAME!

[generalizethis]

I put in ~12-14k in xmr and took out ~4k, so risto is lying when he says that I took more out than I put in (saddambitcoin can validate and prove risto is lying--though risto may try to spin it to euros, even though that's not what I deposited and any reasonable person would evaluate their loss against what they depsoited--not that that's  a valid excuse for risto's imaginary deposhare creation). Risto still owes me 199K in euros out of the E1 he knowingly created and sold without any indication of paying it back--I tried to negotiate with him, as did articmine, so trying to pin the blame on us for his inaction when he was offered ingame trades, either is sloppy memory on his part or more proof that he has no intentions of negotiating or paying his debts.

I'm literally paying myself for my time (and fixing risto's inefficiencies) out of the game with the funds I have a loss against--so risto isn't alone in his work not being rewarded, but I never chose to create B1 and E1 out of thin air and rationalized the fractional reserve as fair, nor was I the one who claimed "fire, flood, I can pay it back, how can I pay it back, you're never getting your money--hahahahaha, someone else is to blame for my actions, etc," As any detective can tell you, inconsistent stories are the hallmarks of a liar. Again, you can't play the Joker and cry victim after you're caught--Super Villains are cool and own it, guys who get caught and claim victim are pathetic.

[Karl Hungus]

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Risto, please tell me what I can do now to help the situation from your point of view?

The Grand Script is made on the Planes, and proceeds exactly as prophesied by the starchildren and messengers of all times. This is the final act, pick your role!

OK, I honestly wish you well Risto, best of luck for the future

OZ is dead, and I only exist now inside your creation via the 'Luminiferous Markka', the medium through which all energy flows inside the Game -'M'.

[smooth]

the only actual (otherworldly) monetary/financial fact important in CK is:

who paid money (XMR, BTC) to the system
who took it out

False.

The nature of the game very centrally included/includes a trading platform. Hell, the main functionality actually implemented in the game is the marketplace for buying and selling assets. People buy assets, sell assets, and profits and losses accrue accordingly.

The fact that some made profits and others losses has nothing whatsoever to do with your scamming by creating depository shares without actually depositing, playing effectively on credit, refusing to pay your debts, and then doubling down on the scamming by buying back the scam tokens on terms that explicitly required payment on the BTC blockchain on penalty of extreme interest, and then once again refusing to pay.

Cover your depository shares debts. Stop trying to shift the blame to others who paid for their depository shares and otherwise did nothing wrong.

[bv68bot]

If the holders of outstanding b1 debt were prepared to accept that repayments only started after 'M' reached a certain valuation, would you be prepared to negotiate further  (i.e. you started repaying when the Game has recovered such that you could sell M for bitcoin to repay the b1 debts, and you could still retain a large stake in the Game).

I understand paying bitcoin NOW while the Game valuation is low might be unacceptable to you given your current level of CK losses, but are you prepared to honour the b1 debts contingent on the Game recovering?

I think if the CK marketcap reached 10M USD, you could start repaying the b1 debt as bitcoins, fully honouring the debts, PLUS, you would still hold a sizeable % of the Game, which is fair and proper, given all you have done to create CK.

10M USD marketcap for CK is 100% achievable with everyone working together again.

Can we put the Band back together?



edit:
If you can resolve the b1 debt issue, you can get back control of your user accounts - then you can 'battle' the forces of darkness you mention inside the Game - isn't that better than walking away?
I'm sure many b1 creditors would accept a compromise settlement that offers 'some' chance of them being paid, AND, you'd get your chance to meet your 'enemies' in the field.
Isn't that what you want, a chance to defeat those who did this to you?
Come back and play the GAME!

This is the best roadmap forward, let Zechariah start repaying his debts when M value has recovered, creditors would accept this, as alternative is they all get nothing, and CK is dead.

I would love to watch Crichton & Zechariah going mano-a-mano in military and economic combat. War is always good for business

[smooth]

This is the best roadmap forward, let Zechariah start repaying his debts when M value has recovered, creditors would accept this, as alternative is they all get nothing, and CK is dead.

I'm certainly not going to accept an unsecured promise from someone who has broken his word several times and continues to post delusional rants about being god.

If he were to post the funds with a trusted escrow subject to being released to repay the creditors on some reasonable conditions, then maybe.

He is not unable to pay what he owes. He has infinite resources according to him, and there is some evidence of millions of dollars worth of actual coins in a Poloniex account.

If he wants to scam, then so be it. If he doesn't, then he will pay.

It actually has very little to do with CK at this point. This is really about one person who racked up debts and then walked away from them despite apparently being perfectly able to pay.

If no one other than Risto cares enough about CK to rebuild the game without him, then what exactly is the point of it? In hindsight it looks mostly like a vehicle for him to fuck people over. Whether this was done for personal gain on his part or merely personal amusement is not as clear as he suggests, nor does it particularly make any difference to those who got screwed.

[bv68bot]

This is the best roadmap forward, let Zechariah start repaying his debts when M value has recovered, creditors would accept this, as alternative is they all get nothing, and CK is dead.

I'm certainly not going to accept an unsecured promise from someone who has broken his word several times and continues to post delusional rants about being god.

If he were to post the funds with a trusted escrow subject to being released to repay the creditors on some reasonable conditions, then maybe.

He is not unable to pay what he owes. He has infinite resources according to him, and there is some evidence of millions of dollars worth of actual coins in a Poloniex account.

If he wants to scam, then so be it. If he doesn't, then he will pay.

It actually has very little to do with CK at this point. This is really about one person who racked up debts and then walked away from them despite apparently being perfectly able to pay.

If no one other than Risto cares enough about CK to rebuild the game without him, then what exactly is the point of it? In hindsight it looks mostly like a vehicle for him to fuck people over. Whether this was done for personal gain on his part or merely personal amusement is not as clear as he suggests, nor does it particularly make any difference to those who got screwed.

If rpietila doesn't want to pay using the argument he's already lost 50k xmr,  then creditors have three options,
1. Pursue debts irl
2. Pursue debts in-game
3. Walk away

Rpietila has nothing more to lose in-game with his accounts locked, so unless someone takes legal action against him, he's going to walk away, and then the creditors will get nothing, and CK is probably dead. His reputation is shot to pieces no matter what, so even if he pays up, he's past rehabilitation as a trusted actor ever again, so his motivation to pay up is based more on him getting access to his accounts, and a continued audience for his antics.

Everything you say is correct, but for anyone who wants to get paid, and wants CK to survive, the best option is negotiate.

As he owns 50% of M, if he doesn't pay and creditors seize his M, what happens then? At least giving him time to pay encourages him to stop damaging the game further.

[bv68bot]

As he owns 50% of M, if he doesn't pay and creditors seize his M, what happens then? At least giving him time to pay encourages him to stop damaging the game further.

It depends, does the game have any actual value?

Because if the plan is for the game to derive value primarily from his participation, I'd question whether his participation is just an excuse to fuck over people for his own amusement/gain again, and that isn't something I'd want to be a part of, even if it did offer some potential for a recovery (i.e. at the expense of passing the baton to the next set of victims)

If the game is to have value without relying on His Highness's unreliable and untrustworthy participation, then a reasonable in-game adjudication in light of his behavior is to transfer his in-game assets to creditors anyway (or liquidate them and transfer the proceeds).

I'm neutral on whether there is enough outside interest in the game for it to ever regain value. But I don't see that hinging on whether he participates or not. If it can succeed, it can succeed without him as easily (and at this point, perhaps more easily) as with him.

Then again, i'm one of the smallest creditors. I'm content to carry the debt indefinitely knowing that he scammed me (and my managed player) and conveying that accurate information to anyone who has an interest in knowing it. Others may be more overextended and willing to undertake desperate or even misguided measures to recover something.

I actually think the game is far more interesting now than it's ever been, at least since I started following. Things seem more real now - real animosity, real money, real emotions - so if zechariah gets his accounts back and has to play as a regular player without GM or admin powers, then I'd expect things to escalate and get interesting pretty quick. Risto wanted to establish two polarities to make the game more interesting, and he's succeeded, and if he comes back there'll likely be a war, and that makes the game infinitely better IMO.

The debt issue is mostly outside CK now on the btc blockchain, and while the game can probably succeed without risto, his involvement makes it much more compelling, and if he isn't the GM or an admin, then he can't scam any new players, but he can continue playing the 'bad guy' (or is he the 'good guy' ...?), which seems to be what he's after. I honestly think if there's a war things will get pretty cool, and what's at stake will be real $$, and real hatreds, and real scores to settle, so CK would be in a far higher dimension. The game has lacked 'encounters' up til now, but if zechariah comes back we'll see battles and plunder and bandits and sieges with booty and murder etc That's good stuff!!