[?] Lealana: Isolated incident of coin duplicates

[TheNewAnon135246]

I meant to ask if you PMed him about this thread . I think it would be in his best interest to reply in here as soon as possible to bring some clarification to this whole thing.

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[Hellot]

I meant to ask if you PMed him about this thread . I think it would be in his best interest to reply in here as soon as possible to bring some clarification to this whole thing.

I emailed him the link to this thread.

[miffman]

I meant to ask if you PMed him about this thread . I think it would be in his best interest to reply in here as soon as possible to bring some clarification to this whole thing.

I Pm'd him about ~24 hours ago to let him know I'm gonna be making the announcement, but he hasn't been online since. I'm sure we will see a response soon enough.

[Fattcatt]

 I'm sure that Smoothie will square things away, and make things right with everyone. It's probabally at the top of his "to do" list as we are conversing over it right now. Relax, he'll surface soon.

[Fattcatt]

Besides, we already know that he's an honest man. Nuff said. 

[Quickseller]

A large portion of my order was duplicate coins, but only one had a double fund.

How do you know that any other part of your order were duplicates?

[TheNewAnon135246]

A large portion of my order was duplicate coins, but only one had a double fund.

How do you know that any other part of your order were duplicates?

I think it is because Smoothie told him:

Apart from the double funded coin, were there any single funded duplicates?
If so, how do you know that they were duplicates?

There were, and I didn't know they were until smoothie told me they were. There was no real way to tell the single funded coins were duplicates.

[Quickseller]

A large portion of my order was duplicate coins, but only one had a double fund.

How do you know that any other part of your order were duplicates?

I think it is because Smoothie told him:

Apart from the double funded coin, were there any single funded duplicates?
If so, how do you know that they were duplicates?

There were, and I didn't know they were until smoothie told me they were. There was no real way to tell the single funded coins were duplicates.

Ahhh, gotcha.

If I had to guess, I would speculate that smoothie creates his coins, generates the vanity address/private key pairs, the associated sticker, places the sticker on the hologram, destroys any remaining copies of the private keys and places the hologram on the coins ahead of selling his coins. In other words, the coins are 100% ready to ship, provided he has access to them (he likely has them locked up somewhere and does not have easy access to his inventory). This would at least make the most sense from a production standpoint.

If there was a printer jam when he was printing the stickers for the coins that you purchased, after the jam is cleared, printers will sometimes print one page that was already correctly printed. It is possible that the sticker that your private keys were printed on were printed immidiately prior to smoothie's printer having a printer jam, resulting in the same private keys/first bits being printed twice.


The above is of course speculation. I have purchased many Lealana coins directly from smoothie multiple times without incident, with smoothie always being very professional when trading. I personally think that smoothie is safe to trust and that smoothie's coins are desirable, and safe to store BTC on.

[AT101ET]

We can all speculate but until Smoothie replies it's just purely speculation.
I think it was an honest mistake. He may have just printed out the same keys twice and didn't realise when assembling the coins.
Just remember that Lealana have had thousands of coins sold and traded and there have been no other such incidents. As mentioned, this is an isolated incident. In my eyes it seems like a genuine mistake.
Let's wait for Smoothie to confirm.

[monkeynuts]

I think as well as explaining, a full list of public addresses would help

[smoothie]

1. There are no duplicate keys in our coins that are currently being held by customers.

2. It was an honest mistake that was determined to be isolated to miffman’s specific order of coins.

3. One reason why no post was made regarding this issue by LEALANA was because it could have caused unnecessary concern among customers who have our coins in their possession. 

4. While no one lost any money or was harmed, I welcome any customer with concerns to contact me directly.

I apologize if any of LEALANA customers felt that we should have made a post/announcement given the circumstances. It was determined that in the best interest of LEALANA and our customers and because it was an isolated incident, that such an announcement was unwarranted.

[monkeynuts]

How did it happen smoothie?

[TheNewAnon135246]

1. There are no duplicate keys in our coins that are currently being held by customers.

2. It was an honest mistake that was determined to be isolated to miffman’s specific order of coins.

3. One reason why no post was made regarding this issue by LEALANA was because it could have caused unnecessary concern among customers who have our coins in their possession. 

4. While no one lost any money or was harmed, I welcome any customer with concerns to contact me directly.

I apologize if any of LEALANA customers felt that we should have made a post/announcement given the circumstances. It was determined that in the best interest of LEALANA and our customers and because it was an isolated incident, that such an announcement was unwarranted.

I understand the decision of not making a post about it but I also understand miffman's obligation to make this public (in case of a recurring event). Thanks for clearing this up.

[Quickseller]

I would be interested in a postmortem of the incident (if necessary after some amount of time, if additional research is required to determine the root cause). This may help other coin makers avoid similar mistakes in the future.

I think it is a fairly regular practice for buyers of coins to check the first bits and funding when they receive coins, so I think it is reasonable to believe that if this happened on any kind of regular basis that we would hear about it one way or another.

[wheelz1200]

How did it happen smoothie?

I would like to know too.  I think an easy desription of what happened will settle everything.

[FFrankie]

How did it happen smoothie?

I would like to know too.  I think an easy desription of what happened will settle everything.

Id like an explanation of how it happened since there is a huge amount of time in-between the double funding and private keys and the only way that is possible is if the private keys where saved. I feel like this issue is going to be glazed over. 

[wheelz1200]

How did it happen smoothie?

I would like to know too.  I think an easy desription of what happened will settle everything.

Id like an explanation of how it happened since there is a huge amount of time in-between the double funding and private keys and the only way that is possible is if the private keys where saved. I feel like this issue is going to be glazed over. 

Killyou i agree.  There are hundreds of btc tied up in lealana coins.  Smoothie can you explain what happened?

[JUPITYR]

1. There are no duplicate keys in our coins that are currently being held by customers.

Ok, but why would there ever be any duplicate keys, under any circumstances, whether held by customer or otherwise?

Also, in a game of trust such as this where you clearly see and print the private keys tied to many tens of thousands of dollars of other people's money, it is ALWAYS better to be up front when a breach of security or protocol has occurred.   Keeping things quiet and somehow saying that is in the best interest of you and people holding your coins is wishful thinking on your part.  I hate to say that, but that is a naive stance to take and your answers are vague and fall short of putting this issue to rest.

[Hellot]

I asked smoothie to clarify how no customers are affected when the coin was funded over a year ago but so far silence.

[wheelz1200]

 

I asked smoothie to clarify how no customers are affected when the coin was funded over a year ago but so far silence.

It is concerning as many of us hold funds in lealana coins some more than others but if it was a mistake than it should be easily explained.