[?] Lealana: Isolated incident of coin duplicates

[wheelz1200]

I asked smoothie to clarify how no customers are affected when the coin was funded over a year ago but so far silence.

Hellot has he reached out to you.  Im just wondering what happened and how, i think disclosure isnt to much to ask especially if it was an isolated incident.

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[FFrankie]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

[ezeminer]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

[Hellot]

I asked smoothie to clarify how no customers are affected when the coin was funded over a year ago but so far silence.

Hellot has he reached out to you.  Im just wondering what happened and how, i think disclosure isnt to much to ask especially if it was an isolated incident.

He has not.

[FFrankie]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

What do you call someone who saves private keys for at least 8 months? Just because they have no swept or stolen anything yet does not mean they do not plan too in the future. pretty sure mt. gox was trusted with over 800kbitcoins, what about Bitcoin Savings & Trust which got around 700k bitcoins I dont think the number of bitcoins you hold/have access to makes you trustworthy. Coinographic didnt have anywhere near that much LTC but still scammed.

[AT101ET]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

What do you call someone who saves private keys for at least 8 months? Just because they have no swept or stolen anything yet does not mean they do not plan too in the future. pretty sure mt. gox was trusted with over 800kbitcoins, what about Bitcoin Savings & Trust which got around 700k bitcoins I dont think the number of bitcoins you hold/have access to makes you trustworthy. Coinographic didnt have anywhere near that much LTC but still scammed.

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

[klaaas]

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

How to proof you destroyed the priv. keys as coin maker ?
As buyer You will take that risk when you buy the coin and assume it is.

[AT101ET]

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

How to proof you destroyed the priv. keys as coin maker ?
As buyer You will take that risk when you buy the coin and assume it is.

I don't really see how that's relevant to my post at all but sure 

[Quickseller]

How to proof you destroyed the priv. keys as coin maker ?

This is really not possible.

[FFrankie]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

What do you call someone who saves private keys for at least 8 months? Just because they have no swept or stolen anything yet does not mean they do not plan too in the future. pretty sure mt. gox was trusted with over 800kbitcoins, what about Bitcoin Savings & Trust which got around 700k bitcoins I dont think the number of bitcoins you hold/have access to makes you trustworthy. Coinographic didnt have anywhere near that much LTC but still scammed.

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

Why would smoothie admit to saving the private keys? Of course he wouldn't. The only option he has is to say whatever reason it was an accident, but the more everyone speculates how it could have happened you are all giving him ideas on how to play it off as an accident if he indeed is saving the private keys.

If he printed 2 sets of the same keys at the same time, why was there 8 months inbetween assembling/funding them?

For anything that it's worth I now 100% believe this was a printing error where smoothie printed the private keys twice by mistake. I hypothesis there is 8 months between the funding because it took that long for that many coins to sell before this error coin came to be

[AT101ET]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

What do you call someone who saves private keys for at least 8 months? Just because they have no swept or stolen anything yet does not mean they do not plan too in the future. pretty sure mt. gox was trusted with over 800kbitcoins, what about Bitcoin Savings & Trust which got around 700k bitcoins I dont think the number of bitcoins you hold/have access to makes you trustworthy. Coinographic didnt have anywhere near that much LTC but still scammed.

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

Why would smoothie admit to saving the private keys? Of course he wouldn't. The only option he has is to say whatever reason it was an accident, but the more everyone speculates how it could have happened you are all giving him ideas on how to play it off as an accident if he indeed is saving the private keys.

If he printed 2 sets of the same keys at the same time, why was there 8 months inbetween assembling/funding them?

In no way am I comparing them but the difference between Lealana and every coin maker that has pulled a scam is that Smoothie has been 110% transparent in his business. Yes he was slow to reply here, but with everything else he has done, he has been open and done so with full transparency. He doesn't hide behind an alias and is very public with his identity. Most of the other companies are shills with fake personas. Again, that's not to say that all of them are but you can't even bring Smoothie into that circle. Stop speculating and just wait for him to comment.

[Hellot]

I can't believe there isn't more of a public outcry about this

If smoothie ever makes an exit scam I guess this would be the first clue correct?

I wouldn't spread FUD. Although it has been a while since smoothie has responded, I wouldn't call him a scammer as he has at least hundreds maybe even thousands of Bitcoins/litecoins entrusted within his holograms. He still hasn't sweeped or stolen AFAIK.

What do you call someone who saves private keys for at least 8 months? Just because they have no swept or stolen anything yet does not mean they do not plan too in the future. pretty sure mt. gox was trusted with over 800kbitcoins, what about Bitcoin Savings & Trust which got around 700k bitcoins I dont think the number of bitcoins you hold/have access to makes you trustworthy. Coinographic didnt have anywhere near that much LTC but still scammed.

How do you know that he saved private keys? He probably accidentally printed 2 of the same sets of keys at once and assembled a batch of coins with the same keys. It honestly could be a one off mistake. Just wait for Smoothie to confirm before pointing fingers. It won't do your reputation any good....

Why would smoothie admit to saving the private keys? Of course he wouldn't. The only option he has is to say whatever reason it was an accident, but the more everyone speculates how it could have happened you are all giving him ideas on how to play it off as an accident if he indeed is saving the private keys.

If he printed 2 sets of the same keys at the same time, why was there 8 months inbetween assembling/funding them?

smoothie has stated in the past he does not save private keys.  It is not unreasonable for him to track the public keys for various reasons.  In the past before he started using privnote, he used to communicate the public keys to customers for funding in email.  If he wasn't actively tracking public keys, it is not unreasonable that he could just search his email for a public key to see who he has sent it to.  I have no problem with him tracking pubic keys and he has given us zero reason to believe he keeps private keys.  You should stop jumping to conclusions without proof.  It has been stated this isn't something he or we can prove either way so it is futile.  

The only thing that raises suspicion here is the time between funding of the duplicate coin as you have stated.  His silence on this matter hurts him more than it helps in my opinion but I can see why he would just want to keep this between affected customers so I am not pressing him.  This community at large seems to have a propensity for latching onto anything and crucifying them for the smallest thing.  I believe he is being honest when he says it was an isolated incident and I will respect his privacy since I am not affected.

I personally own 130+ Lealana funded coins of various types and I don't feel like I need to worry about them.  I trust smoothie.  This might sound stupid but I have met many pacific islanders in my life and they are some of the hardest working and honest people I have ever met.  Obviously there are exceptions to everything.

[JUPITYR]

Has anyone heard anything from Smoothie regarding this topic through PM or email?  Would really like for this issue to be addressed so that full confidence can be restored in Lealana coins. 

[HardBTC]

Hi

Had many dealing with Smoothie in the past, totally legit guy. Had one delivery returned by mistake to him, he sorted it out, even though I realised ages after the event, and it ended up at the shippers storage.

Holding Public Key records isn't an security issue, totally agree with Hellot this, it's a PUBLIC Key .... sort of how the system works.

Casascius Coins Public Keys are tracked on https://casascius.uberbills.com/

It would be unwise for Smoothie not to keep a list of the Public Keys he used for his coins.

https://blockchain.info/address/1tSDzFH9oPgA9SfhVy9z464KobTX9ouTt

Shows a payment from OgNasty, so maybe some confusion on the Escrow ?

Smoothie may be on vacation or just busy .... 

[HardBTC]

Also had the occasion to help redeem two of Smoothie's coins, they were redeemed 'live' on Twitter

https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/805408026026983424

Coins worked a treat.

[FFrankie]

Hi

Had many dealing with Smoothie in the past, totally legit guy. Had one delivery returned by mistake to him, he sorted it out, even though I realised ages after the event, and it ended up at the shippers storage.

Holding Public Key records isn't an security issue, totally agree with Hellot this, it's a PUBLIC Key .... sort of how the system works.

Casascius Coins Public Keys are tracked on https://casascius.uberbills.com/

It would be unwise for Smoothie not to keep a list of the Public Keys he used for his coins.

https://blockchain.info/address/1tSDzFH9oPgA9SfhVy9z464KobTX9ouTt

Shows a payment from OgNasty, so maybe some confusion on the Escrow ?

Smoothie may be on vacation or just busy .... 

Looks like there where 8ish 0.10 payments sent out with that one from OG

[HardBTC]

Apparently OgNasty funds Smoothie's coins, holds funds in Escrow, nice security touch for buyers.

[OgNasty]

I was asked to do an escrow by miffman. This is the transaction. That is the extent of my involvement.

https://blockchain.info/tx/f653d341a14ec53d85c9a7e7ad99daf990e856768a2c2eab239ca8bb64057da8

[JUPITYR]

Hi

Had many dealing with Smoothie in the past, totally legit guy. Had one delivery returned by mistake to him, he sorted it out, even though I realised ages after the event, and it ended up at the shippers storage.

Holding Public Key records isn't an security issue, totally agree with Hellot this, it's a PUBLIC Key .... sort of how the system works.

Casascius Coins Public Keys are tracked on https://casascius.uberbills.com/

It would be unwise for Smoothie not to keep a list of the Public Keys he used for his coins.

https://blockchain.info/address/1tSDzFH9oPgA9SfhVy9z464KobTX9ouTt

Shows a payment from OgNasty, so maybe some confusion on the Escrow ?

Smoothie may be on vacation or just busy .... 

The issue here isn't about Smoothie holding onto PUBLIC keys.  This was an issue about PRIVATE keys.  Please go back and read the full thread so that you are at least commenting on the subject matter at hand. 

[dumbchump]

I hate to jump into this but miffman's comments are essentially that the same hologram with identical public and private keys were created twice...right? 

I read that as he simply made an error when printing and printed it twice.  Not realizing it they were placed on two sets of coins.

That is VERY different than keeping private keys.  Can someone help me connect the dots to why there is discussion of him keeping private keys?