JarzikCoin code aka segwit2xcoin already collapsing

[The One]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

Are you talking about the support of all of us? Look at the current market, it is going down and causing extremely serious consequences, and bitcoin is the cause of it. The bitcoin chaos is wrecking the entire market, I hate this.

I love it... i see opportunities to profit from this chaos. However, tread carefully.

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[soul-impact]

These things make the bitcoin value change. And they already start having issues in something that they want to implement. They should have done a vast test before just going out with problems still to be solved

That's right, this is greatly affecting the value of bitcoin and the entire altcoins. They are moving in the same direction, and they go down too deep, causing many to lose a lot of money.

[hatshepsut93]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

This is what happens when people (miners) get way over their head because they are blinded by greed. Many people here are scared of hard forks, checking miners signalling every day, but in the end it's users and holders of Bitcoin who has the ultimate power, we decide what coin we want to use, what dev group to trust, and until someone presents a dev group more skilled than Core, there will be no successful hard forks.

These things make the bitcoin value change. And they already start having issues in something that they want to implement. They should have done a vast test before just going out with problems still to be solved

That's right, this is greatly affecting the value of bitcoin and the entire altcoins. They are moving in the same direction, and they go down too deep, causing many to lose a lot of money.

It's very speculative to tell what exactly was the reason for the recent dump, it could very easily be just a simple bubble bursting. People lose real money only if they have bought at the top, otherwise it's just an opportunity loss, and most people who bought just a few months ago are still in green.

[BillyBobZorton]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

FFS.

Every software i've used always had bugs in them. Software gets updated all the time. Even the "mighty" Bill Gates' Windows had a long history of bugs.
Core had many bugs in the last 6 years. Bitcoin had bugs since the first version came out and Hal Finney helped Satoshi to fixed the bugs.

When Core makes bugs, Core fanboys stay silent (I didn't come on here attacking Core developers). When anyone else makes bugs, Core fanboys goes ballistic.

Now, if there is testing going on, bugs being fixed, then that's normal part of software development. When i made a game called Connect 4 for BBC Micro computer in the 1980s, i had a few bugs, and fixed them, before being released.

NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE.

The difference is, bitcoin is not just any other software, it's an unique software that can't afford rushing a hardfork in a couple of months, which is what Core would never do because they know the consequences. How much in denial can you be about the fact that Garzik is an idiot and so is everyone involved in the segwit2x mess? Time to to get real.

[Xavofat]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

Every software i've used always had bugs in them. Software gets updated all the time. Even the "mighty" Bill Gates' Windows had a long history of bugs.
Core had many bugs in the last 6 years. Bitcoin had bugs since the first version came out and Hal Finney helped Satoshi to fixed the bugs.

You know, there's a giant difference from now and then - the difference being that they were contributing to open source code.

At this point, Bitcoin is so big that there are thousands of competent developers who would love to have their voices heard and contribute to fixing any bugs.  If you're trying to rush through buggy code with a closed-source testnet and do it in just a couple of months, that's pure incompetence.

This is billions of dollars worth of BTC they're dealing with, and they can't let a huge decentralised network act as it should.

[pereira4]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure. 

-brainwashed Coretard

This is what happens when you push a big blocker in the cliff of reasoning. "muh coretard". Sorry buddy, you look ridiculous defending the big block morons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2941&v=iFJ2MZ3KciQ

Take some notes on why big blocks are fucking stupid.

[The One]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

FFS.

Every software i've used always had bugs in them. Software gets updated all the time. Even the "mighty" Bill Gates' Windows had a long history of bugs.
Core had many bugs in the last 6 years. Bitcoin had bugs since the first version came out and Hal Finney helped Satoshi to fixed the bugs.

When Core makes bugs, Core fanboys stay silent (I didn't come on here attacking Core developers). When anyone else makes bugs, Core fanboys goes ballistic.

Now, if there is testing going on, bugs being fixed, then that's normal part of software development. When i made a game called Connect 4 for BBC Micro computer in the 1980s, i had a few bugs, and fixed them, before being released.

NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE.

The difference is, bitcoin is not just any other software, it's an unique software that can't afford rushing a hardfork in a couple of months, which is what Core would never do because they know the consequences. How much in denial can you be about the fact that Garzik is an idiot and so is everyone involved in the segwit2x mess? Time to to get real.

Still a software and still had bugs since its inception. I said, "Now, if there is testing going on, bugs being fixed, then that's normal part of software development." As for the timescale and quality of any software, it is up to the users to decide.

I have never met him, i have never converse with him. I have no judgement to make about Garzik. I do not go around passing judgement about people i have never met or converse with. Neither do i go around insulting strangers for no reason online. I do not do cyber bulling. Just because i am more mature, wise and have good manners and respect for my fellow human beings; it doesn't give you the right to have a go at me. Try growing up.

[mindrust]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure.  

-brainwashed Coretard

This is what happens when you push a big blocker in the cliff of reasoning. "muh coretard". Sorry buddy, you look ridiculous defending the big block morons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2941&v=iFJ2MZ3KciQ

Take some notes on why big blocks are fucking stupid.

They don't care about satoshi's vision or anything else. They are repeating what their master told them. I know none of those morons won't be reading this but in any case, if any sane person wonders what the hell satoshi's vision was, they can read it here:
https://medium.com/@giftedproducts/cryptocurrencies-with-tim-ferriss-nick-szabo-and-naval-ravikant-51a99d037e04

We could get into the whole block size issue because there is a parameter we shouldn’t but I probably will talk about it a little bit. There’s a there’s a technical security parameter called the block size how the general public glommed onto this I do not know. But there’s there’s an obsessive group of people who think of this as some kind of artificial barrier to more transactions per second on Bitcoin. Really it’s it’s job is it’s it’s a fence preventing people from overwhelming flooding the network with lots of transactions that the full nodes I talked about can’t handle that that transaction history keeps building and building.

-Nick Szabo, The most realistic satoshi candidate.

[The One]

The miners won't approve segwit because segwit = off-chain devaluation (fiat).

Wasn't it the Core developers who lowered the blocksize from 32MB down to 1MB to begin with? For three years they've been hoping that the miners would break under pressure and approve off-chain segwit.

You either have a bitcoin or you don't. No more fairy dust and empty promises.

No. Satoshi did as a temporary measure to prevent "spam."

[25hashcoin]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure. 

-brainwashed Coretard

This is what happens when you push a big blocker in the cliff of reasoning. "muh coretard". Sorry buddy, you look ridiculous defending the big block morons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2941&v=iFJ2MZ3KciQ

Take some notes on why big blocks are fucking stupid.

You're 100% wrong about everything.

[pinkflower]

https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65#issuecomment-314221337

Developers are so incompetent that they propose a secret testnet, so it doesn't get attacked.

Fantastic! Just like Buggy Unlimited clowns resorted to closed source development to get a patch out, now these morons want to do closed source testing, for a totally realistic and robust test only to hardfork in a matter of a few months.

Anyone supporting this mess is losing it or is being paid to do so.

FFS.

Every software i've used always had bugs in them. Software gets updated all the time. Even the "mighty" Bill Gates' Windows had a long history of bugs.
Core had many bugs in the last 6 years. Bitcoin had bugs since the first version came out and Hal Finney helped Satoshi to fixed the bugs.

When Core makes bugs, Core fanboys stay silent (I didn't come on here attacking Core developers). When anyone else makes bugs, Core fanboys goes ballistic.

Now, if there is testing going on, bugs being fixed, then that's normal part of software development. When i made a game called Connect 4 for BBC Micro computer in the 1980s, i had a few bugs, and fixed them, before being released.

NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE.

This is not a good excuse. When you use buggy Microsoft software, you dont have thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands or more invested in it. It might be easy for you to say that because you might only have a small investment in BTC, but make that investment large enough and you find yourself on the conservative side of things with development.

[franky1]

so pereira4 is crying because garzic is running tests on btc1 on a separate testnet.

well there are thousands of devs, who can just run btc1 on a public testnet.
lol
it doesnt need everyone to sit on their hands and wait for garzic to test it on his own.. anyone can
so if you want to cry about someone privately testing something, go run the code and test it publicly

..
but anyway i mentioned it before in another FUD topic by pereira4. so here is a summary
using a separate testnet specifically for a new bip is not new, and not garzic setting a precedent

hint: SegNet

have a nice day

[iluvpie60]

Ok. I want to ask a stupid question here.

What is the problem with big blocks exactly. In terms of space on harddrives I don't see it. A 4 TB HDD is like 70 dollars on sale.

I did some quick math.

Assuming a block created every 10 minutes and is the max size, 1mb or 2mb or 3 mb or 4 mb.

10 years from now here is how much more GB is added to the total size of the blockchain


1mb blocks - 525.6 GB
2mb blocks - 1,051.2GB
3mb blocks - 1,576.8GB
4mb blocks - 2,102.4GB
10mb blocks - 5,256GB

Even with 10 mb blocks starting now and goign to 10 years out there WILL NOT BE A STORAGE ISSUE for the average person. Not at all! The average person can afford to buy a 6 TB or a little higher HDD for like 150 bucks or something, and by the time we are 10 years out a 30 TB drive will be like 100 bucks or cheaper.

Cost of internet? On average most internet companies per month charge like 60 to 100 a month and you get between 250 GB to 1,000 GB a month downloaded before they charge you an extra 10 bcks for another 100 GB.

So even under the 10MB block size on a monthly basis you are only downloading on your node 40 GB per 4 week period.

How about speed of that internet? Of course it can handle it... 10MB = 80 mbp and  in terms of speed, so to download 10MB on an average of every 10 minutes your internet speed needs to be at the minimum be able to handle 133 kbps, yes, kilobits per second, so convert to KiloBytes per second by dividing by 8 and you get 16.5 KBPS, DIAL UP IS 56 KBPS. Helllloooooooo!!!!!

If you have 80mbps download you can do 600  10MB blocks in 10 minutes.


I honestly have no idea why anyone thinks big blocks are a problem, maybe if we got to 100 MB blocks and it happened in a few years, but that won't happen!

[The One]

Ok. I want to ask a stupid question here.

What is the problem with big blocks exactly. In terms of space on harddrives I don't see it. A 4 TB HDD is like 70 dollars on sale.

I did some quick math.

Assuming a block created every 10 minutes and is the max size, 1mb or 2mb or 3 mb or 4 mb.

10 years from now here is how much more GB is added to the total size of the blockchain


1mb blocks - 525.6 GB
2mb blocks - 1,051.2GB
3mb blocks - 1,576.8GB
4mb blocks - 2,102.4GB
10mb blocks - 5,256GB

Even with 10 mb blocks starting now and goign to 10 years out there WILL NOT BE A STORAGE ISSUE for the average person. Not at all! The average person can afford to buy a 6 TB or a little higher HDD for like 150 bucks or something, and by the time we are 10 years out a 30 TB drive will be like 100 bucks or cheaper.

Cost of internet? On average most internet companies per month charge like 60 to 100 a month and you get between 250 GB to 1,000 GB a month downloaded before they charge you an extra 10 bcks for another 100 GB.

So even under the 10MB block size on a monthly basis you are only downloading on your node 40 GB per 4 week period.

How about speed of that internet? Of course it can handle it... 10MB = 80 mbp and  in terms of speed, so to download 10MB on an average of every 10 minutes your internet speed needs to be at the minimum be able to handle 133 kbps, yes, kilobits per second, so convert to KiloBytes per second by dividing by 8 and you get 16.5 KBPS, DIAL UP IS 56 KBPS. Helllloooooooo!!!!!

If you have 80mbps download you can do 600  10MB blocks in 10 minutes.


I honestly have no idea why anyone thinks big blocks are a problem, maybe if we got to 100 MB blocks and it happened in a few years, but that won't happen!

It is not a stupid question. Don't worry many of us have worked this out, similar to yours above and equally don't see the fuss.

There is an irrational fear that the number of full nodes will shrink due to the costs above and Bitcoin will be centralised.

I can download a 200mb mp4 file in 1 minute 30 seconds. 10mb in 20 second. (both averages) Internet is £30 per month and already paid for due to other uses. Running a full node does not add any extra cost at all.

[pereira4]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure.  

-brainwashed Coretard

This is what happens when you push a big blocker in the cliff of reasoning. "muh coretard". Sorry buddy, you look ridiculous defending the big block morons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2941&v=iFJ2MZ3KciQ

Take some notes on why big blocks are fucking stupid.

You're 100% wrong about everything.

Wrong.

The miners won't approve segwit because segwit = off-chain devaluation (fiat).

Wasn't it the Core developers who lowered the blocksize from 32MB down to 1MB to begin with? For three years they've been hoping that the miners would break under pressure and approve off-chain segwit.

You either have a bitcoin or you don't. No more fairy dust and empty promises.

The miners don't give a fuck about anything that isn't profits and outperforming the competition, but above everything they want control. The 2MB hardfork is a way for Jihan to get Jihan-sponsored devs instead of Core which he can't control because everyone on Core is already rich and will not sold out their cryptopunk roots for more money.

Segwit has been insanely tested, drop the FUD. The real problem is the fucking hardfork so get your priorities straight. 2 bitcoins = bitcoin no longer a store of value.

so pereira4 is crying because garzic is running tests on btc1 on a separate testnet.

well there are thousands of devs, who can just run btc1 on a public testnet.
lol
it doesnt need everyone to sit on their hands and wait for garzic to test it on his own.. anyone can
so if you want to cry about someone privately testing something, go run the code and test it publicly

..
but anyway i mentioned it before in another FUD topic by pereira4. so here is a summary
using a separate testnet specifically for a new bip is not new, and not garzic setting a precedent

hint: SegNet

have a nice day

You keep missing the point: Garzik is setting a precedent by wanting to hardfork with unsafe code and unsafe time.

[franky1]

You keep missing the point: Garzik is setting a precedent by wanting to hardfork with unsafe code and unsafe time.

and core wanted a november code activated by christmas without giving a damn about usernodes symbiotic relationship validating said blocks..

[RealBitcoin]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure. 

-brainwashed Coretard

I just love the drama, seriously both sides are could be wrong.....

Meanwhile we are still forced to pay 50$/transaction, yeeeeah that is my 1 week net salary.

Keep ignoring the 2nd and 3rd world, but then don't cry when they will ignore Bitcoin and jump to ETH instead.

[LuanX3]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure. 

-brainwashed Coretard

I just love the drama, seriously both sides are could be wrong.....

Meanwhile we are still forced to pay 50$/transaction, yeeeeah that is my 1 week net salary.

Keep ignoring the 2nd and 3rd world, but then don't cry when they will ignore Bitcoin and jump to ETH instead.

There is a 2nd world? I didn't know that.

Anyway, I think the fees has drastically went down already since a few weeks ago. I didn't have to pay 0.001btc for a fee anymore if there is one output and one input. But maybe you're getting a $50 (or maybe 0.002btc roughly in today's prices), because you had so much inputs and/or outputs. Minimize those and you'll be alright.

[BrewMaster]

"satoshi's vision"

Forum's common big blocker retard:

-I am satoshi's dick weed, without me he can't grow weed on his dick.

These clowns can be body parts of satoshi but none has his vision. That's for sure. 

-brainwashed Coretard

I just love the drama, seriously both sides are could be wrong.....

Meanwhile we are still forced to pay 50$/transaction, yeeeeah that is my 1 week net salary.

Keep ignoring the 2nd and 3rd world, but then don't cry when they will ignore Bitcoin and jump to ETH instead.

There is a 2nd world? I didn't know that.

Anyway, I think the fees has drastically went down already since a few weeks ago. I didn't have to pay 0.001btc for a fee anymore if there is one output and one input. But maybe you're getting a $50 (or maybe 0.002btc roughly in today's prices), because you had so much inputs and/or outputs. Minimize those and you'll be alright.

no, there is no maybe. he is simply lying. check out his post history and you can see what i mean. he has been attacking bitcoin with this stupid reason for a while now.
we all know about the ongoing spam attack and the high fees but people like him are only using it to spread FUD and attack bitcoin for their personal gains.

i actually sent some bitcoin today with 0.00002000BTC = 0.046$ fee to see what happens and bump the fee using RBF if needs be and before i knew it the tx was confirmed in less than a minute.

[gentlemand]

I just love the drama, seriously both sides are could be wrong.....

Meanwhile we are still forced to pay 50$/transaction, yeeeeah that is my 1 week net salary.

Keep ignoring the 2nd and 3rd world, but then don't cry when they will ignore Bitcoin and jump to ETH instead.

Do keep up. Now the spamming has stopped, either initiated by Barry Silbert and friends or the mining cartels, fees have plummeted again.

And who in their right mind would switch to ETH? Great for pumpage and not much else. If Bitcoin is fucked then I'll be done with crypto.