Bitcoin mixer or self mixing?

[harmor]

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks  

[ranochigo]

It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

[harmor]

It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

Thanks mate 

[jackg]

It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

Thanks mate 

Yes, and you still have to pay fees to send it to another wallet.
Even if the wallet doesn't keep logs (because it's a .onion one) it'll note the initial sending address and may just steal your coins as you don't know who is running it.

[harmor]

And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming? 

[Zicadis]

And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming? 

The only option you have here is to use a well established mixing services such as Bitmixer.io which strives to maintain their reputation and remember to always use the first generated Bitmixer code to prevent receiving your own coins from past transactions to help cover your tracks.

[HCP]

Just be mindful to use the "official" bitmixer.io website. There are/were several known "scam" versions that look very VERY similiar to bitmixer that were not affiliated with bitmixer and scammed a number of users.

For the record, the true URL is: https://bitmixer.io/

I'm sure this advice holds true for other well known mixers like BitBlender and the new ChipMixer... make sure you are definitely on the correct site before sending coins!

[LeGaulois]

 

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks  

Agree with others. Better safe than sorry if I were in your shoes I would surely use a mixing service. Especially for what you're planning to do. You don't want your personal infos linked to the darkweb. And an extra layer of security is never too much. Two websites you can take a look at:
https://bitmixer.io/
https://chipmixer.com/

[jackg]

And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming? 

The one in my signature or the one in the first signature of the first person who posted here are both fairly trustworthy (or should be).

[TechPriest]

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks  

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

[jackg]

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks  

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

No one denies it's not hard. The point is that that coin can still technically be traced back to you more easily.

The idea with a bitcoin mixer is there is a reserve pool of say 1000BTC.
When you send them 100BTC to one of their addresses, a transaction springs up to that value (100BTC - tx fee and handling fee) from a different address.
These coins never touch, their inputs never meet. The coins you deposit is then recycled back into the system and is used again to process another transaction and build up a large network of transactions that are difficult to determine the initial owner of each coin (it is still possible however but takes a much more complex script to match the similar amounts togther).

[HCP]

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

A true mixer will enable you to have multiple addresses that are in no way linked to one another... and obscure the source of those coins.

[jackg]

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

A true mixer will enable you to have multiple addresses that are in no way linked to one another... and obscure the source of those coins.

Ahhh. I forgot about public keys as well when bitcoins get sent. The new HD version of bitcoin core can therefore link all of your addresses together and anything else already does it to it's fairly useless to attempt it.

[TechPriest]

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

I know about it  My "mixer" uses amount of coins which i have on the wallet. Not more. 
I didn't say that my "mixer" is better then real mixer but it has real pros against them.

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

It isn't right in my way) Sorry, but i'm not so stupid 

hhh. I forgot about public keys as well when bitcoins get sent. The new HD version of bitcoin core can therefore link all of your addresses together and anything else already does it to it's fairly useless to attempt it.

But only you (and persons who know your xPub) can see them.

[ValyLupy]

Have already tried to use it with a mixer and the answer is "yes", it is safe. You can use it without fear

[Dunzo]

alright why would you need to mix anyway?

[jackg]

alright why would you need to mix anyway?

You may want to be anonymous online.
OR you may be using a site that is restricted in your country or that you don't want tracing back to you, then you might want to use a mixer to hide what you are actually doing (whether it works or not is another question as it can still technically be detected where the coins travel to as mixers may make mistakes with the way they link their addresses - as all of their addresses have to be used to fund both themselves and their investers)

[btctousd81]

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

[TechPriest]

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

[KenR]

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

You have a point but it depends on the mixer you are using.The log policies vary accordingly, bitmixer.io has a strict no-logs policy.Taken from the Faq:

What logs are kept?
Absolutely no logs or personally identifying information are kept regarding your use of the Bitmixer service. All logs are permanently removed from both our website database and from our Bitcoin wallet after your coins have been transferred out of our reserve. All forwarding entries are removed after 24 hours.

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

I concur! Self mixing would always leave the trails behind regardless of your rotations.If anonymity is the real concern,mixers are somewhat 90% close to achieve it.