The kill/trade game

[myrkul]

Should I edit my list?  I suppose it would be fair if the actions are locked in at the time of PM

You can add to it, but you can't change your decisions.

[nimda]

We should introduce BTC into this game. Perhaps a buy-in which is distributed proportionally?
However, I suspect that adding real money to the game will make people more conservative and likely to chose "kill." Therefore I think it should be done like so:

	Kill	Trade
Kill	(-, -)	(+, -)
Trade	(-, +)	(+, +)

For some positive and negative values (which will obviously influence the outcome).

In the case of at least one person having a net negative, everyone's points can be increased by the absolute value of the lowest score:

Player	Raw	Scaled	Payout
A	-1	2	14.3%
B	-3	0	0%
C	2	5	35.7%
D	4	7	50%
Total	2	14	100%

[myrkul]

God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money."

[acs26]

I just have to ask but:

Have you ever gone to prison, and then came up with this game?

(Don't get me wrong, it seems like a awesome game. But it seems like something you would play in a High-Max prison.)

(I would actually like to play it, but I'm too lazy.)

[myrkul]

But it seems like something you would play in a High-Max prison.

More like something you would play in the interrogation room:

[FCTaiChi]

With those stats it looks like confession is the overal winner..?

[myrkul]

With those stats it looks like confession is the overal winner..?

Yup, in a one-off prisoner's dilemma, the optimal solution is always to defect. As soon as possible. Also, in an iterated game, if you know how long the game is going, it's always optimal to defect in the last round. (And since both people know that, the optimal solution in the next to last round, and thus every preceding round, is also to defect, resulting in a complete breakdown of "society")

In an indefinite game, though, the optimal choice becomes to cooperate. Trust is built (or destroyed) from round to round, and the results are remembered. Your reputation becomes important. If you defect, and lose that good reputation, people will start defecting on you and you'll end up worse off than if you had played nice the whole time.

[Rassah]

Elwar, you have a task force?

[nimda]

God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money."

I just think it would make the game more "honest," and thus more worthy of study. Maybe one of these weekends I'll make a website for it.

[myrkul]

God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money."

I just think it would make the game more "honest," and thus more worthy of study. Maybe one of these weekends I'll make a website for it.

In later games, I'm going to introduce variations that will attempt to encourage defecting, including trying to start a "war." It seems rather rude to make people pay for that.

On the contrary, in fact, I think if the only consequences are in-game, that will result in a clearer result in the end, when I add in the final variation to try and clear up the conflict. Remember that we're modeling the real world, and in the real world, there are no "meta-consequences." Adding such a meta-consequence would, in effect, be modeling the supposition that "religion X is true, and Y behavior will result in a reward in the afterlife." While certainly people act as though that were true in real life, modeling behavior without that incentive would result in an even clearer result.

If you want to make a website for it, and add stakes, that's fine. But, could you let the pure game play out, first?

[Ekaros]

So who exactly is in game?

Could I even have complete list of that?

[myrkul]

So who exactly is in game?

Could I even have complete list of that?

I suppose that's fair. I've been meaning to post a roster, anyway.

FCTaiChi
Elwar
wdmw
Foxpup
FenixRD
Rassah
Ekaros
Cameltoemcgee
Myrkul
Viscera
dacoinminster
Jobe7 (signed up way back on page 3)

[Ekaros]

So who exactly is in game?

Could I even have complete list of that?

I suppose that's fair. I've been meaning to post a roster, anyway.

FCTaiChi
Elwar
wdmw
Foxpup
FenixRD
Rassah
Ekaros
Cameltoemcgee
Myrkul
Viscera
dacoinminster
Jobe7 (signed up way back on page 3)

Thanks

[Elwar]

Elwar, you have a task force?

Yep, I lobbied myrkul for special treatment to get a task force. That is the part of the game that is missing (bribes).

So it is in your best interest to not steal from me.

Plus I lojacked all of my goods.

[dacoinminster]

What's the status? I'm strangely eager to find out how this goes.

[myrkul]

Still going, waiting for responses from:
Foxpup
FenixRD
Cameltoemcgee
Viscera
Jobe7

[Foxpup]

I'm still waiting to see what the Alliance has to say about the new rules. If I don't get a response soon, I'm going to have to start thinking for myself again.

[myrkul]

I'm still waiting to see what the Alliance has to say about the new rules. If I don't get a response soon, I'm going to have to start thinking for myself again.

lol

[FCTaiChi]

lol fox..
I almost started a spreadsheet for this, then thought better of it.  I decided I'd just play what seemed like the best play from memory.  Kind of a natural method.  Before ledgers

[myrkul]

lol fox..
I almost started a spreadsheet for this, then thought better of it.  I decided I'd just play what seemed like the best play from memory.  Kind of a natural method.  Before ledgers

I'll be doing similar posts for this as I did with the "Round Robin" style game, So you can keep track that way.