Avalon chip @ 0.086 BTC/chip + ASIC Board Assembling Services.

[rezurect]

[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg1875862#msg1875862

I decided to move my project from the DIY thread to prevent mixups with the other DIY projects.

Product Description:
# 10/20 Avalon chip module - 2.82/5.56 Ghash/s nominal speed
# 4 Layer thermally enhanced PCB
# PIC32 native USB-Controller
# CAN-Bus inter-module communication (Only one USB connection for up to 32 Modules)
# Power Connectors: 6Pin VGA, barrel jack for wallwart, power-stacking-connector.
# Power requirement: ~20/40 Watts @ 12V
# Onboard 25A/50A switcher for core voltage
# Easy stacking option
# Host protocol: Avalon emulation
# Temperature controlled Fan



Stacking will be similar to the cairnsmore boards from Enterpoint.
The CAN-Bus module connection will allow modules to form a big cluster like the Avalon machines.
That way you need only one USB-Connection for up to 16 Modules, maximum bus-length >10 Mtr.
Adequate cooling solution will be provided.
The host protocol will be an emulation of the Avalon host protocol.
Mining Software will be cgminer.
This is an open-source project, the sources will be released when the product ships.

Ordering and Pricing Info:
i offer only an assembly service this means you have to buy the Chips yourself and have them send to me for assembly.

List of Chip distributors i work with:
Zefir (order window closed)
ragingazn628 (order window closed)
SebastianJu (open)

Zefirs sale thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0
SebastianJu's: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.0


How will the ordering work?
When ordering from me you'll have to include a message, signed by your address, that you want me to receive your chips.
I will run checks that that address has indeed paid the amount of Chips and that you indeed own the address.
That will be handled by Scripts.
I forward a list of all the signed messages to the Chip distributor (Zefir, SebastianJu, ragingazn628) so he can verify the data himself.
Then the Distributor will ship the chips directly to me for assembly.
That will greatly reduce the amount of work and communication.
>> you have to be able to sign messages with address used for the payment of the chips!<<

A how2 for the signing process with bitcoin-qt can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg1922342#msg1922342

Assembly cost can be paid in BTC or Eur. (Paypal, Wire Transfer)
Expect about 80 Eur assembly cost per module (that doesn't include chip cost).
For The 20 Chip Module expect about 100 Eur.

There will be the following order options:
1. Completed 10 Chip PCB with mounting materials and cooling solution
2. Completed 20 Chip PCB with mounting materials and cooling solution
3. Bare bones assembled 10 or 20 Chip PCBs for the DIY folks
4. Empty 10 or 20 Chip boards for hard-core DIY (If you ordered chips from Zefir i can send them together with the boards)

Ordering will be done through an dedicated website that is not up yet.
The website will open in mid May.

Timescale:
Shipping could begin within a week of receiving the chips.
This will put the date approximately mid July.
Production capability ~1000 modules per week.

warranty
There will be a limited 2 year warranty on my products.


FAQ:

Q: Can I order now to have a "good" place in the order cue?
A: No, you can't, ordering will start with announcement of the definitive price.

Q: I bought 10k chips on my own, can you assemble them?
A: My assembly service is open to anyone who wants Avalon chips turned into mining boards.

Q: Does it have LAN or Wifi connection?
A: No, it is a USB device, you could use a Raspberry Pi, Wifi-router, NAS-device or your PC/Laptop/Mac as host.

Q: Can't the chips be put in sockets?
A: The chips conduct almost all the heat trough a pad underneath, sockets don't provide an adequate thermal connection to this pad.

Q: Where are you based?
A: Germany

Q: Whats your email address?
A: burninmining_AT_gmail.com

Q: Do you offer Shippment to country X?
A: I will ship to almost any country worldwide but check your customs regulations first

Q: I have ordered from a different chip group buy can i use your service?
A: Yes you can, in the best case we would arrange a direct shipping from the distributor to me.

[Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 2: 1373 ASICs gone 11373 sold
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.0

List of Avalon-ASIC-Miner-Developers

Hello,

i would like to have a list of asicminer-developers that want to create a miner for avalon-asics. This list should stay here in first post to have an overview.

Ill start here:

Forum-User	Project Name	Thread	Miner for X Asics	Miner Type	Cost of Miner	Developer Location	Miner sent to Customer or handled by Developer?	Sending Groupbuy-Asics to Developer for assembly?
burnin		Click	10	Complete Miner	80€	Germany	Sent to Customer	Yes
burnin		Click	20	Complete Miner	100€	Germany	Sent to Customer	Yes
flyonwall		Click	10	Complete Miner	2.54BTC	Cebu City, Philippines	Kept by Developer and pays out dividend	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	1	DIY (Including board + parts | without ASIC, heat sink, ATX PSU and cables) See Note *1	$16	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	16	DIY (Including board + parts | without ASIC, heat sink, ATX PSU and cables) See Note *1	$35	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	64	DIY (Including board + parts | without ASIC, heat sink, ATX PSU and cables) See Note *1	$100	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	1	DIY (Including board only)	$6	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	16	DIY (Including board only)	$12	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
BkkCoins	Klondike	Click	64	DIY (Including board only)	$25	Thailand	Sent to Customer	Probably yes
allten						Probably yes

Note: Please check out for yourself if the developers are trustworthy.

*1 (Klondike) If you want to create a miner with this set you need: "Board, parts, oven (preferably with temp profile controller), skill, solder paste, stencil, technical aptitude, some inspection magnifier probably, tweezers (preferably vacuum), dexterity with tiny parts (0402 caps are the size of a grain of rice), soldering iron for fixes and thru-hole pins. Maybe I've forgotten something, but otherwise that's it."

Please give more details, ill add it here then.

Batch Buy 10+ Avalon chips from Sebastian Ju(Germany) > Ships to Burnin (Germany) > Multiple Miners in Single Package to India> Redistribute here.

Expected Shipping Time Scale: August- September
Avalon Chips: shipping takes 10 weeks.
Assembling Time : Production capability ~1000 modules per week. Depends on your order number.


Burnin Complete Miner:
10chip Miner: 2.8Ghz :100$+ 0.86 BTC ~ 200$
20chip Miner: 5.6Ghz :130$+ 1.72BTC  ~330$

Note:Assembling is a complex process, it isn't simple soldering.
Alternative,
BKKcoin Miner Board Only
Bkkcoin Board +Chips:
1chip miner :   0.28 Gh/s : 0.866BTC+6$(Kit) = 16$
16chip miner : 4.5   Gh/s : 1.376BTC +12$(Kit) = 170$
64 chip miner :18.04 Gh/s : 5.504BTC +25$ (Kit) = 660$

+heat sink, ATX PSU and cables +  Local Parts [not sure what else] + Assembling cost (More headache)

Alternative,
BKKcoin Miner Board +Parts
Bkkcoin  Kit +Chips:
1chip miner :   0.28 Gh/s : 0.866BTC+16$(Kit) = 26$
16chip miner : 4.5   Gh/s : 1.376BTC +35$(Kit) = 195$
64 chip miner :18.04 Gh/s : 5.504BTC +100$ (Kit) = 735$

+heat sink, ATX PSU and cables+Assembling (Less Headache)

[legendster]

Very interesting VERY interested.

I have a few trades waiting to happen and some accusations I must prove wrong, after that I'll get in touch.

[Pinwheel]

I can buy batch of Avalon chips from Avalon 10000 chips delivery in 10 weeks in average. What is missing a company which can make boards in India. Try to find such company who can design and make boards for 10 - 20 chips per board and USB pen drives with one chip as well.

If we will have such company I will order chips and sale boards locally. In 4-5 month we can have boards available locally. Also Avalon provide chip for testing purpose, so testing can be completed before chips arrive to India. I own private limited company which can do importation of chips and execute manufacturing contract for boards.

[subvolatil]

What  about  sparta 6 chips , can  be locally be  acquired,  and lot  of  companies   working  with that . might be a bit  slow and  consume  a bit more  power, but  dont have to  go through the hassle  of   customs.   

[Benson Samuel]

I can buy batch of Avalon chips from Avalon 10000 chips delivery in 10 weeks in average. What is missing a company which can make boards in India. Try to find such company who can design and make boards for 10 - 20 chips per board and USB pen drives with one chip as well.

If we will have such company I will order chips and sale boards locally. In 4-5 month we can have boards available locally. Also Avalon provide chip for testing purpose, so testing can be completed before chips arrive to India. I own private limited company which can do importation of chips and execute manufacturing contract for boards.

Ok, I will work on this.

Atleast try to identify some entry points.

[Pinwheel]

What  about  sparta 6 chips , can  be locally be  acquired,  and lot  of  companies   working  with that . might be a bit  slow and  consume  a bit more  power, but  dont have to  go through the hassle  of   customs.   

that can be interesting as well, just I do not have time for it. I called and emailed to two companies regarding ASIC boards with no result and dropped this project for a while.

If you can find company who will manufacture FGPA miners on Spartan, then we can talk, on speed, power consumption, cost per board, minimum batch. With electricity cheap in India it make a lot of sense.

Importation of Avalon chips is not a problem at all. 

[rezurect]

I can buy batch of Avalon chips from Avalon 10000 chips delivery in 10 weeks in average. What is missing a company which can make boards in India. Try to find such company who can design and make boards for 10 - 20 chips per board and USB pen drives with one chip as well.

If we will have such company I will order chips and sale boards locally. In 4-5 month we can have boards available locally. Also Avalon provide chip for testing purpose, so testing can be completed before chips arrive to India. I own private limited company which can do importation of chips and execute manufacturing contract for boards.

Nice idea on the SPARTAN 6. But developing a Spartan6 FPGA will take time, im assuming more than Burnins expected delivery date since he's been developing since April, Burnin was waiting for Avalon to release his Reference Design and Specs, which Avalon released only on May 10th. So i`m expecting Burin to finish his ASIC design before we can even start on an FPGA.

First, we don't need a 10,000 chip buy, Minimum buy is 10 chips From Sebastian Ju, if all interested parties put in a Single Buy order we can get an order through.

Second, FPGA development cost might not be recoverable considering that we might only have a handful of miners ready to order, I assuming < 20 miners or around <300 chips. Development+ Fabrication cost per FPGA should be less than < 100$( for a 10 chip board ) which is Burnins Board+assembly cost.

Finally,Then the only advantage of this ASIC Chip+ ASIC board service is that its Expected to delivery around June-August. hence mining before excessive Difficulty jump.
A BFL 5Ghz miner costs 270+80$ shipping but is expected to ship extremely late around the end of 2013. No advantage.

Now? Probably by Christmas if you're lucky, I'd wager.  

If we try a FPGA implementation and it takes 5+ months, we are losing the only advantage, Time.
Almost 6 different, 10,000 chip group buys are underway, by the time a local implementation is complete in 5 months, 60,000*0.28 GH/s=16,000Ghz = 16 Th/s+ Avalon MIners+BFL miners+ASIC Miner will be added to the network. We will be mining with a FPGA @ that insane difficulty, when we could have easily could have bought an ASIC miner at the almost same cost in August.
Whats the best an FPGA can do , i`m not sure,
X6500 FPGA Miner    400[14]    23.25    0.72    17.2[14]    550

Alternative,
Bkkcoin  Kit +Chips:
1chip miner :   0.28 Gh/s : 0.866BTC+16$(Kit) = 26$
16chip miner : 4.5   Gh/s : 1.376BTC +35$(Kit) = 195$
64 chip miner :18.04 Gh/s : 5.504BTC +100$ (Kit) = 735$
heat sink, ATX PSU and cables+ Local Assembling required (Less Headache)

[legendster]

I can buy batch of Avalon chips from Avalon 10000 chips delivery in 10 weeks in average. What is missing a company which can make boards in India. Try to find such company who can design and make boards for 10 - 20 chips per board and USB pen drives with one chip as well.

If we will have such company I will order chips and sale boards locally. In 4-5 month we can have boards available locally. Also Avalon provide chip for testing purpose, so testing can be completed before chips arrive to India. I own private limited company which can do importation of chips and execute manufacturing contract for boards.

me me me ME !!! i M in talks with such people.

[rezurect]

If anyone can manage to bring out an ASIC within 2 months here is an open source project, where a detailed Tutorial will be made on how to order and produce ASIC boards locally,with firmware. But since Burnin is coding the firmware, the Tutorial release will be mostly after Burnin starts shipping his boards.

DIY PCB with AVALON
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161715.0

Low Cost DIY ASIC Miner

Purpose:
This thread is intended for the development of a very low cost DIY open source
ASIC miner based on Avalon's chips. Hopefully, it will inspire other Bitcoin ASIC
manufactures to offer their chips as well.

Objectives:
* Get ASICs in the hands of the masses ASAP.

* Create the cheapest solution possible. The lowest possible price is the goal.
The $ per hash ratio is not expected to be the best.

* Make it simple enough that anyone with a DIY spirit can assemble one of these with
some simple low priced tools.
https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/category/2
DIY manufacturing may be an avenue to get these out much faster.
Expect a few hours assembly time per board.

*Make the PCB design that is not only DIY friendly, but mass production friendly as well.
It will use surface mount technology.

*Inspire more ASIC Bitcoin Mining manufactures to pop up all over the world (Decentralization).
ASIC manufacturing in general is the most complicated production process in the world.
IMO, the best thing for Bitcoin would be for ASIC Bitcoin Manufactures to be decoupled from
final product production; or at least offer their chips as well on top of their final products.

Specifications (subject to change):
* USB power source is all that is required.
* Utilizes a single Avalon ASIC
* 256+ MH/s
* 2 Watt maximum power usage
* TYPE A USB Male option on either side of the PCB
* Type B USB Female option
* More to come

Sponsors:
*Burnin - He is a serious manufacture of Bitcoin mining equipment. He has committed to helping
with the open source software/firmware to make this project function. He has started an official
thread for his miners and it's worth checking out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.0

*Zefir - He is preordaining Avalon ASICs in smaller quantities for anyone interested:
funds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0
Zefir is committed to helping this low cost DIY project be successful by making a small quantity
of chips available for ordering and development.

Team:
All of you! An open source design also means its open to anyone. Feel free to take the initiative
to help out in your own way. Please don't get discouraged as it may take time to figure
out where your talents fit in best. I have received an overwhelming quantity of supportive emails
and also many request to help out. I wasn't prepared for that, but now, I would like to make
a list of anyone that wants to get involved here and what they would like to bring to the table.
Shoot me ANOTHER email and I will add you name here.

"Someone42" who was the inspiration and pioneer in hardware wallets has offered his help here.
"Burnin" has also offered his help, but is also very busy as he is preparing his own miner.

Allten's Commitment:
I will engineer the schematic and the PCB. As soon as the chip specifications are available, I will
release within a week a preliminary design for feedback. I will personally manufacture enough
of these to get them in the hands of all those that will be helping with firmware/software development.
After that, a detailed tutorial will be made on how to order and produce these by yourself.

Important note: I do not want to become a distributor for these for the simple fact I would like
to have time available for other projects I'm passionate about. This is a golden opportunity for anyone
or a few people to become distributors of DIY kits and already assembled miners. I will assist anyone
to get set up for this once I've completed the tutorial.

Funding:
Sending some coins would be very helpful and greatly appreciated.
1AqEzSiw7aqZ7T53XvXMqrcnUD5tKcvJxP
What will donations cover? Enough to order the parts and PCBs for the initial boards used for development.
All extra will be used to drive bounties for software/firmware development.
I get the feeling that many have ordered chips with confidence that there will be a PCB solution
readily available before the ASICs arrive. If that is the case, consider donating up to 5% of
what you invested in chips to this project. It would sure help hurry it a long! Much of the bounty portion
may go to "burnin" as his code development for the controller portion will be shared with this project and
he is most heavily invested to make it work along with his product ASAP.

[Benson Samuel]

What  about  sparta 6 chips , can  be locally be  acquired,  and lot  of  companies   working  with that . might be a bit  slow and  consume  a bit more  power, but  dont have to  go through the hassle  of   customs.   

that can be interesting as well, just I do not have time for it. I called and emailed to two companies regarding ASIC boards with no result and dropped this project for a while.

If you can find company who will manufacture FGPA miners on Spartan, then we can talk, on speed, power consumption, cost per board, minimum batch. With electricity cheap in India it make a lot of sense.

Importation of Avalon chips is not a problem at all. 

Can you please gimme the company names?

[Pinwheel]

What  about  sparta 6 chips , can  be locally be  acquired,  and lot  of  companies   working  with that . might be a bit  slow and  consume  a bit more  power, but  dont have to  go through the hassle  of   customs.  

that can be interesting as well, just I do not have time for it. I called and emailed to two companies regarding ASIC boards with no result and dropped this project for a while.

If you can find company who will manufacture FGPA miners on Spartan, then we can talk, on speed, power consumption, cost per board, minimum batch. With electricity cheap in India it make a lot of sense.

Importation of Avalon chips is not a problem at all.  

Can you please gimme the company names?

one is http://bitmapper.org/

another I cannot find. Ironically Pune appears to be home for large number of such industries. Seems it all boil down to whom you know.

http://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/pcb-design-services.html

[rezurect]

try,
http://www.aizyc.com/asic/asic-/-soc-design.html
Aizyc Technology Pvt. Ltd.
6th Floor, Plot No:488 & 489 
Ayyappa Society, Madhapur 
Hyderabad 500081  India   
Phone +91 (40) 645 99770
Fax: +91 (40) 309 95281

[Benson Samuel]

What  about  sparta 6 chips , can  be locally be  acquired,  and lot  of  companies   working  with that . might be a bit  slow and  consume  a bit more  power, but  dont have to  go through the hassle  of   customs.  

that can be interesting as well, just I do not have time for it. I called and emailed to two companies regarding ASIC boards with no result and dropped this project for a while.

If you can find company who will manufacture FGPA miners on Spartan, then we can talk, on speed, power consumption, cost per board, minimum batch. With electricity cheap in India it make a lot of sense.

Importation of Avalon chips is not a problem at all.  

Can you please gimme the company names?

one is http://bitmapper.org/

another I cannot find. Ironically Pune appears to be home for large number of such industries. Seems it all boil down to whom you know.

http://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/pcb-design-services.html

Pune sounds close enough for me.

Anything in Bangalore?

[subvolatil]

I'll send  you a  link  for a  company my  org  did  business with .  will  send you  the link in the morning  for  Bangalore  .

[Pinwheel]

plenty

http://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/pcb-design-services.html?city=bengaluru

that is the hard part, how to find out who is the best.

[Benson Samuel]

Nice, I will try this list tomorrow.

I tried few today.

Speaking to Corel and a startup.

[Pinwheel]

try,
http://www.aizyc.com/asic/asic-/-soc-design.html
Aizyc Technology Pvt. Ltd.
6th Floor, Plot No:488 & 489 
Ayyappa Society, Madhapur 
Hyderabad 500081  India   
Phone +91 (40) 645 99770
Fax: +91 (40) 309 95281

this guys seem like having a lot experience with ASIC. even they can design ASIC chips and probably place a manufacturing contract somewhere.  not the best wait to start, though. Avalon ASIC chips not costly at all. But for them having experience with ASIC is a big plus.

[Benson Samuel]

try,
http://www.aizyc.com/asic/asic-/-soc-design.html
Aizyc Technology Pvt. Ltd.
6th Floor, Plot No:488 & 489 
Ayyappa Society, Madhapur 
Hyderabad 500081  India   
Phone +91 (40) 645 99770
Fax: +91 (40) 309 95281

this guys seem like having a lot experience with ASIC. even they can design ASIC chips and probably place a manufacturing contract somewhere.  not the best wait to start, though. Avalon ASIC chips not costly at all. But for them having experience with ASIC is a big plus.

No one answers the phone. I called yesterday.

Have tried to mail as well.

[Pinwheel]

try,
http://www.aizyc.com/asic/asic-/-soc-design.html
Aizyc Technology Pvt. Ltd.
6th Floor, Plot No:488 & 489 
Ayyappa Society, Madhapur 
Hyderabad 500081  India   
Phone +91 (40) 645 99770
Fax: +91 (40) 309 95281

this guys seem like having a lot experience with ASIC. even they can design ASIC chips and probably place a manufacturing contract somewhere.  not the best wait to start, though. Avalon ASIC chips not costly at all. But for them having experience with ASIC is a big plus.

No one answers the phone. I called yesterday.

Have tried to mail as well.

same problem with many of this kind of companies. They do biz in close personal contacts, dont much looking out for new clients.

[Benson Samuel]

Lemme see if I still have my Business Dev skills.
Will keep pushing this forward till something comes through.