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[Lauda]

Whilst I have no plan on commenting this mess, I do have to step in here:

Looks like OGNasty decided to give me negative feedback for honestly evaluating this scam accusation.  

This is not appropriate use of the trust system, and I strongly disagree with ruining your trust score based on your opinion on this accusation. I have left a counter rating, which is the appropriate use of the trust system¹:

Counter-Ratings like yours (even though you didnt word it as such) are part of how the system works. If someone thinks my rating was given unjustified they can leave an additional rating to reflect this.

This is exactly the kind of abuse that I was briefly discussing in another thread, where people try to make their rating valid/warranted by masking it with the wording "I don't trust this user" (and similar modifications).
¹: I can't find the original quote from theymos.
Disclaimer: Before someone accuses Hellot of being in some sort of "group", or me of having bias towards them, I don't think I have ever talked to Hellot privately in the past.

[OgNasty]

I have left a counter rating, which is the appropriate use of the trust system

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow threatened to leave me negative trust unless I broke my publicly stated escrow rules and sent funds to an unsafe address, which if I had done so we all know would have resulted in me being accused of aiding a scam and told that I owe the funds.  So I got the escrow user's approval to refund the sending address, which I did.  If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.  That is clear to anyone.  This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  This is just another example of why I don't trust your ratings, and feel that your personal vendettas are absolutely ruining any shred of credibility you may have once had.  

[Lauda]

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow

It is not relevant whether he was involved or not.

threatened to leave me negative trust

Source, evidence for this claim? Your rating does not even explicitly mention any threats, which makes no sense whatsoever. If someone is threatening you directly and you leave them a negative rating, then it needs to be properly written to reflect on that.

If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.  

Hellot's negative rating does not affect your trust score. This can not be said for your rating on him.

That is clear to anyone.

Doubtful.

This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  

Ad hominem? False equivalency? Nice argument.

This is just another example of why I don't trust your ratings, and feel that your personal vendettas are absolutely ruining any shred of credibility you may have once had.  

Personal vendettas? Maybe you need to take a better look in the mirror. You are using this as an excuse for the invalid exclusion of several people (surprise, surprise?). You have countered several of my ratings whilst attempting to make them look like valid ratings (in that form, they are not). Let's not play the pretend game when your play is quite obvious.

[OgNasty]

threatened to leave me negative trust

Source, evidence for this claim?

You countered a trust rating without even reading the reference link?  Another example of why I don't trust your ratings...

Hellot's negative rating does not affect your trust score. This can not be said for your rating on him.

Irrelevant.

This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  

Ad hominem? False equivalency? Nice argument.

No, this is called explanation of a hypothesis using facts.

Personal vendettas? Maybe you need to take a better look in the mirror. You are using this as an excuse for the invalid exclusion of several people (surprise, surprise?). You have countered several of my ratings whilst attempting to make them look like valid ratings (in that form, they are not). Let's not play the pretend game when your play is quite obvious.

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings, not the other way around.

There's really no reason for this petty bickering.  I did nothing wrong.  That is clear for everyone to see.  Refunding a sending address with a user's consent is perfectly reasonable and the fact that it turned into this public display should be enough for any reasonable person to determine what is really going on here.  I'd like for that to be my last comment on this subject.

[Hellot]

I have left a counter rating, which is the appropriate use of the trust system

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow threatened to leave me negative trust unless I broke my publicly stated escrow rules and sent funds to an unsafe address, which if I had done so we all know would have resulted in me being accused of aiding a scam and told that I owe the funds.  So I got the escrow user's approval to refund the sending address, which I did.  If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.  That is clear to anyone.  This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  This is just another example of why I don't trust your ratings, and feel that your personal vendettas are absolutely ruining any shred of credibility you may have once had.  

I stated in this very thread I would leave negative trust if you didn't make the OP whole and sent you a PM to let you know I was serious.  People reading this need to remember I got involved here when this was blowing up and at the time OG had told the OP he would refund but not refunded and OP was flipping out.  There was a thread on the collectibles section about this that brought me here.  I reviewed what was happening and saw both partied being irrational.  I saw OGNasty being unprofessional and I wanted to help a long standing member of the community because I thought he was letting his emotions get the best of him.  So I offered him a way out, a way to make the right choice without risk to himself or his customer.  I offered to cover him in case the OPs account(his customer) was compromised.  I don't think you took me up on it because I don't believe you wanted to do the right thing.  

And I made the right call.  Your customers account wasn't compromised.  You were antagonizing him to get him to lash out so we would all see it.  You said you wanted us to see it.  You were in complete control of the situation, you had his money and nobody could make you do anything.  To say that I am untrustworthy for trying to help and telling the truth just shows what type of person you are.  You are truly a piece of shit.

[Lauda]

You countered a trust rating without even reading the reference link?

There are no threats in the reference link.

Another example of why I don't trust your ratings...

Another example of you trying to find excuses for invalid exclusions.

No, this is called explanation of a hypothesis using facts.

These are not facts, but your interpretation of other people's doings. Just because you think Hellot is "extorting you" that doesn't mean that he is, and most surely that doesn't make it a fact.

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings, not the other way around.

Neither is the case. At least I do not attempt to hide counter ratings by disguising them as valid ratings which conveniently get posted after mine. Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23. Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then?

There's really no reason for this petty bickering.  I did nothing wrong.  That is clear for everyone to see.  Refunding a sending address with a user's consent is perfectly reasonable and the fact that it turned into this public display should be enough for any reasonable person to determine what is really going on here.  I'd like for that to be my last comment on this subject.

I don't care about this particular situation as it has generate too much noise. The rating on Hellot is what I disagree with, and couldn't find any remote basis for it.

[OgNasty]

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings, not the other way around.

Neither is the case. At least I do not attempt to hide counter ratings by disguising them as valid ratings which conveniently get posted after mine.

I only see another example of you countering an honest rating of mine.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dX5T.png

[Lauda]

I only see another example of you countering an honest rating of mine.

Which is a perfectly valid use of the trust system, and does not answer the question that I've asked:

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23. Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then?

[OgNasty]

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23. Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then?

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.  The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

[Lauda]

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.

In other words: You only care about yourself and people who benefit you. Got it.

The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  

Which is absolute nonsense. It has been proven over and over again that defcon23 is an unstable blackmailer/extortionist, and this is confirmed by a huge variety of negative trust ratings that he has received. There is absolutely no evidence that Hellot has threatened you nor extorted you in any way.

You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

The person increasing the trust score of proven blackmailers should definitely be trusted.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23. Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then?

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.  The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

To me, both of you are trustworthy despite your mudslinging.   I'd have no problem using either of you for escrow or to manage a sig campaign or whatever.  Nobody here is perfect, lest we forget.

*trying to inject some love*

[Lauda]

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

Do you truly think that I have not complained about this? Their ratings were left before defcon23 was fully exposed as the blackmailer/extortionists that he is and they have a tendency not to revoke past ratings (which is also something that I tend to complain about).

...
*trying to inject some love*

Rather than injecting love, how about you comment on the trust rating left on Hellot?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

Do you truly think that I have not complained about this? Their ratings were left before defcon23 was fully exposed as the blackmailer/extortionists that he is and they have a tendency not to revoke past ratings (which is also something that I tend to complain about).

...
*trying to inject some love*

Rather than injecting love, how about you comment on the trust rating left on Hellot?

It's a little harsh, given that OGNasty is on DT, but I've also seen you be harsh as well.  I don't usually comment on DT peeps leaving such feedback out of respect.  DT members, in my opinion, should have a fairly thick skin when it comes to name calling, having scam accusations leveled at them, etc., and I do think OG's feedback here is probably unwarranted.  But you've said it repeatedly in other threads--if you don't trust someone,  you're justified in leaving a neg.  That's how our broken-ass trust system works.

[Lauda]

It's a little harsh, given that OGNasty is on DT, but I've also seen you be harsh as well.  

That's true.

DT members, in my opinion, should have a fairly thick skin when it comes to name calling, having scam accusations leveled at them, etc., and I do think OG's feedback here is probably unwarranted.  

This thread went completely sideways, which is one of the reasons for which I did not get involved in the accusation itself.

But you've said it repeatedly in other threads--if you don't trust someone,  you're justified in leaving a neg.  That's how our broken-ass trust system works.

This is exactly the kind of abuse that I was briefly discussing in another thread, where people try to make their rating valid/warranted by masking it with the wording "I don't trust this user" (and similar modifications).

Disclaimer: I may or may not be guilty of this myself. There are too many negative trust ratings to check.

[Quickseller]

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23.

I find you complaining about extortion ironic considering that you are an extortionist yourself.

[TMAN]

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23. Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then?

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.  The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

ohhh Blazed did it so its ok?? you have used that line before OG.. man up and admit you are a prick.

[Lauda]

I find you complaining about extortion ironic considering that you are an extortionist yourself.

You are not in any position to be judging anyone else's behavior. Unlike yourself, others tend to learn from the mistakes that they make whilst treading on the path against criminals.

[minifrij]

This is going too be a long one.

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow threatened to leave me negative trust unless I broke my publicly stated escrow rules and sent funds to an unsafe address, which if I had done so we all know would have resulted in me being accused of aiding a scam and told that I owe the funds.

And? If you do this and he doesn't trust you for it, do you think that he should hold is tongue and not say so? If you can't handle people saying that they don't trust you, and showing such on a platform built for doing just that, log off the forum and turn off the computer.

So I got the escrow user's approval to refund the sending address, which I did.

You gave him the option of sending the BTC back to the sending address, or not sending the BTC anywhere. It's not like he had much of a choice.
Before you go off on one, I'm not saying you did anything wrong through doing this.

If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.

You don't seem to understand why someone would counter a negative rating. I should explain why later on in this post.

That is clear to anyone.

No.

This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...)

What a hard life you must lead, being constantly 'extorted' and 'attacked'.

Hellot's negative rating does not affect your trust score. This can not be said for your rating on him.

Irrelevant.

It's absolutely relevant. The whole point of countering a trust rating is that if it affects a user's trust score unjustly to the majority of users it can be undone somewhat. If for 99-100% of the forum, your trust score is untouched, there is no reason for a rating to be countered.

Ad hominem? False equivalency? Nice argument.

No, this is called explanation of a hypothesis using facts.

And it is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make. You're just looking for things to try and make your argument look better and Lauda's look worse.

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings, not the other way around.

cough. cough. cough. cough.

The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.

And me, and Hhampuz, and Zepher. Whether or not this is extortion is semantics, you have to be either lying or stupid to think that this user is trustworthy (especially in regards to the other things that he has done in the past).
If you truly care about the community like you always big yourself up to, whatever trade deals you have had with him are irrelevant.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

I've seen Lauda talk to people that aren't on DT (and never have been) about their trust ratings on people like defcon. Don't think that you're being singled out.


That was shorter than I was expecting.

[isoneguy]

Hey OG

Does your last name start with an L, a C or an S?

I've got your identity narrowed down to a small group of people and I want to make sure I get the right one.

Apparently I have hyperthymesia so it's really only a matter of time.

Can I get in on the extortion payout already?   I'd rather it all stayed in the shadows but that's your decision...

sigh...really I could use .25BTC though.

[Quickseller]

Hey OG

Does your last name start with an L, a C or an S?

Has anyone else received a PM like this from isoneguy:

dan?

How does he know names?