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July 28, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
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What happened:: My account can't withdrawal / admin can't able to pay my request of withdrawal

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1077888

Reference Link: Zoomdice.com
Amount Scammed: 0.013BTC
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: Deposit to my account via address : 18YdEwrAE79s4oJFrdv8bur5bEUxrAhbCb / https://blockchain.info/tx/1ee8ed979bcb45a4908a302014a20320352d9055c8f941772e14e535838375b0
PM/Chat Logs: I've tried to discuss about my withdawal , and they promise to pay on tomorrow, for the reason they are tired and poke. I did not have time to take / archive the conversation.
Additional Notes: I tried to contact them via live chat from yesterday, but until now they did not reply to my message. Even ignoring me.
Images for proof : https://s17.postimg.org/kusueua67/cawu.png
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July 28, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
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What happened:: My account can't withdrawal / admin can't able to pay my request of withdrawal

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1077888

Reference Link: Zoomdice.com
Amount Scammed: 0.013BTC
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: Deposit to my account via address : 18YdEwrAE79s4oJFrdv8bur5bEUxrAhbCb / https://blockchain.info/tx/1ee8ed979bcb45a4908a302014a20320352d9055c8f941772e14e535838375b0
PM/Chat Logs: I've tried to discuss about my withdawal , and they promise to pay on tomorrow, for the reason they are tired and poke. I did not have time to take / archive the conversation.
Additional Notes: I tried to contact them via live chat from yesterday, but until now they did not reply to my message. Even ignoring me.
Images for proof : https://s17.postimg.org/kusueua67/cawu.png



I have clearly stated on the site withdrawals might take 3-5 days to process. and you post a message in the chat and leave, i always reply to your message.

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July 28, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
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Hi Attitudeless. I'm gonna go and compensate you with 0.002 within 12 hrs your deposit is withdrawn when co owner comes on.


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I am not looking for a candy or milk sir. I'm just looking for my rights !
First day = They said can't process of withdrawal with reason sleepy. Will be processed tomorrow.
Tomorrow has come = They said sorry I can't withdrawal for today bla bla bla bla. Will be process next day.
Next day has come = I've asking about it on live support (They didn't reply my message, But admin have chating on log of chat).
And arrive at this moment = Asking again on live support still got a nothing reply.
Finally, Decided to post this.
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July 28, 2017, 02:35:29 PM
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What happened:: My account can't withdrawal / admin can't able to pay my request of withdrawal

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1077888

Reference Link: Zoomdice.com
Amount Scammed: 0.013BTC
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: Deposit to my account via address : 18YdEwrAE79s4oJFrdv8bur5bEUxrAhbCb / https://blockchain.info/tx/1ee8ed979bcb45a4908a302014a20320352d9055c8f941772e14e535838375b0
PM/Chat Logs: I've tried to discuss about my withdawal , and they promise to pay on tomorrow, for the reason they are tired and poke. I did not have time to take / archive the conversation.
Additional Notes: I tried to contact them via live chat from yesterday, but until now they did not reply to my message. Even ignoring me.
Images for proof : https://s17.postimg.org/kusueua67/cawu.png



I have clearly stated on the site withdrawals might take 3-5 days to process. and you post a message in the chat and leave, i always reply to your message.

you process the withdrawals manually?  is it not instant/auto?
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July 28, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
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Hi Attitudeless. I'm gonna go and compensate you with 0.002 within 12 hrs your deposit is withdrawn when co owner comes on.
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I am not looking for a candy or milk sir. I'm just looking for my rights !
First day = They said can't process of withdrawal with reason sleepy. Will be processed tomorrow.
Tomorrow has come = They said sorry I can't withdrawal for today bla bla bla bla. Will be process next day.
Next day has come = I've asking about it on live support (They didn't reply my message, But admin have chating on log of chat).
And arrive at this moment = Asking again on live support still got a nothing reply.
Finally, Decided to post this.
4-5 days for withdraw? Kiding us?

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July 28, 2017, 04:54:55 PM
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I am really sorry for the late but i won't say anything to defend me until i pay you. It is your right to get paid.

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July 28, 2017, 05:04:37 PM
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3-5 days is ridiculous, especially over such a minor amount. Please explain why the lengthy wd time?

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July 28, 2017, 07:14:44 PM
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3-5 days is ridiculous, especially over such a minor amount. Please explain why the lengthy wd time?


Lengthy waiting time = hoping the player would forget about it and drop the topic for good

Minor amount x hundreds of naive players = jackpot


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July 28, 2017, 07:43:40 PM
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Lengthy waiting time = hoping the player would forget about it and drop the topic for good

Minor amount x hundreds of naive players = jackpot

Sure, but you wouldn't get hundreds of naive players coming to deposit if accusations arose like this one. With new casinos - especially in bitcoin - anyone that deposits usually only places a small amount to test out the service.

If potential customers think that the withdrawal time is too long, they won't deposit.
Not saying it's not a scam but paying for the website (albeit shitty) and hosting to nab maybe a hundred dollars total is not exactly a profitable use of time.

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July 28, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
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Why 3 days for withdrawal it doesn't make any sense you are a new site in the industry and maybe doing auto withdrawals be costlier for you or maybe you are not ready idk but you really need to think about your future in this industry , you have many sites to compete with and they already have a instant withdrawal feature so why would a gamblers gamble on a new site with manual payments when there are many sites which are trusted and allows instant payment. If you are serious about this business think about it.
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July 28, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
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If he still pays out then its just a slow withdrawal? I wouldnt call it directly scam.

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July 28, 2017, 10:02:16 PM
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If he still pays out then its just a slow withdrawal? I wouldnt call it directly scam.

Yeah you are right
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July 28, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
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3-5 days is ridiculous, especially over such a minor amount. Please explain why the lengthy wd time?

I haven't looked into their site, but if they don't have a proof of solvency, they could be insolvent and therefore are waiting for other players to lose to pay winners, or need to buy Bitcoin. Maybe they don't even have a real bankroll and therefore can't pay winnings.

3-5 days is crazy, and even some large exchanges that process withdraws manually to keep things secure can do it within 1 day.

If he still pays out then its just a slow withdrawal? I wouldnt call it directly scam.

Yeah you are right

Could be a sign of insolvency or a sign that they want to keep the maximum amount of funds on their website as possible to exit scam. Negative trust left for now.

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July 29, 2017, 04:54:19 AM
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There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,

1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)
2. When we started the site we had some security issues like you could place a negative bet like -1 BTC which become 1 BTC on profit, generating same nonce for every bets using continuous  ajax request etc. that's why i disabled auto withdrawals. I already fixed those issues but still i am afraid.
3. When i started the site i made a wrong calculation i had a small bankroll but i started the site without any max bet limit, which was dangerous. Then some well wisher told me to set a maximum bet or maximum profit per bet limit for which i am really grateful to him.

But i learned many lessons from these mistakes and bitcoin community is really very helpful. You guyz helped me a lot.

One question may rise, what will happen if i don't get bankroll from my investor ?
The answer is that would be very unfortunate for me. If that happens i will pay the withdrawals from my salary (I am an Engineer) and i will make this site as a PVP site where no bankroll is necessary where all games would be between players. If you guyz can give me few suggestions about this that would be helpful.

You might ask why didn't i do it at the first place ?
I learned some lessons after i started this website. if i had these experience before i start the website i would've started with PVP games.


Please pardon my bad English.

Thanks Everyone for your help and continuous support.

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July 29, 2017, 04:56:29 AM
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There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,

1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)
2. When we started the site we had some security issues like you could place a negative bet like -1 BTC which become 1 BTC on profit, generating same nonce for every bets using continuous  ajax request etc. that's why i disabled auto withdrawals. I already fixed those issues but still i am afraid.
3. When i started the site i made a wrong calculation i had a small bankroll but i started the site without any max bet limit, which was dangerous. Then some well wisher told me to set a maximum bet or maximum profit per bet limit for which i am really grateful to him.
All of these issues should have been thought of before the release of this site. How can you be expected to sustain a good gambling experience if you yourself are inexperienced and negligent of even the most basic things?
A negative bet, like honestly really? I'm not sure what you were thinking.

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July 29, 2017, 06:31:27 AM
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There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,

1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)
2. When we started the site we had some security issues like you could place a negative bet like -1 BTC which become 1 BTC on profit, generating same nonce for every bets using continuous  ajax request etc. that's why i disabled auto withdrawals. I already fixed those issues but still i am afraid.
3. When i started the site i made a wrong calculation i had a small bankroll but i started the site without any max bet limit, which was dangerous. Then some well wisher told me to set a maximum bet or maximum profit per bet limit for which i am really grateful to him.
All of these issues should have been thought of before the release of this site. How can you be expected to sustain a good gambling experience if you yourself are inexperienced and negligent of even the most basic things?
A negative bet, like honestly really? I'm not sure what you were thinking.

That was a bug. Every new site experience issues at the beginning. and nobody is perfect. Even primedice had security issues so they lost $1.5M worth bitcoins to a hacker.

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July 29, 2017, 07:01:28 AM
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That was a bug. Every new site experience issues at the beginning. and nobody is perfect. Even primedice had security issues so they lost $1.5M worth bitcoins to a hacker.
Now, don't you dare try to tell me that more than 2% of casinos have a ridiculously severe bug like that within their opening stages. When you're dealing with money - especially that which can be won or lost within seconds you have to ensure everything is smooth. If you didn't even test to see that you could make negative bets then there is a serious problem on your end.
And the Hufflepuff situation is completely different. Don't make a crappy comparison: Hufflepuff gained the server seeds while on your end you allowed negative bets with a small bankroll unsuitable for the running of a casino.

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July 29, 2017, 07:28:53 AM
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That was a bug. Every new site experience issues at the beginning. and nobody is perfect. Even primedice had security issues so they lost $1.5M worth bitcoins to a hacker.
Now, don't you dare try to tell me that more than 2% of casinos have a ridiculously severe bug like that within their opening stages. When you're dealing with money - especially that which can be won or lost within seconds you have to ensure everything is smooth. If you didn't even test to see that you could make negative bets then there is a serious problem on your end.
And the Hufflepuff situation is completely different. Don't make a crappy comparison: Hufflepuff gained the server seeds while on your end you allowed negative bets with a small bankroll unsuitable for the running of a casino.

not intentionally of course. it happened within 1 hr of site launch which i managed to fix instantly. what hufflepuff did was he found a bug in the seed system which was a bug nonetheless and so i was negative bet on my site. both were bug. there was bug on every big sites in the beginning that's why they have something called bug bounty in place.

you could blame me as negligent if i didn't fixed the bug after i noticed it. i am working all day night behind this site to make this site perfect. Every new sites have issues. And there is a learning curve for everyone. 

But i think there is one thing you can appreciate about me is i don't hide behind excuses, When i make a mistake i am not afraid to admit.

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July 29, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
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There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,
1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)

Does that mean you are insolvent? You should never accept bets that you can't pay out, especially with gambling where you can't hedge. Why did you decide to let people win more than you have? Also, did you really not have more than 0.013BTC?

2. When we started the site we had some security issues like you could place a negative bet like -1 BTC which become 1 BTC on profit, generating same nonce for every bets using continuous  ajax request etc. that's why i disabled auto withdrawals. I already fixed those issues but still i am afraid.

Okay, that's fair. You shouldn't take more than 1 days to check over everything though, how hard can it be to make sure that all bets have different nonces/have the correct payout?

3. When i started the site i made a wrong calculation i had a small bankroll but i started the site without any max bet limit, which was dangerous. Then some well wisher told me to set a maximum bet or maximum profit per bet limit for which i am really grateful to him.

Surely your starting "small" bankroll is at least 0.1 BTC (1x kelly for bet of 0.001 BTC) , and therefore enough to pay his 0.013BTC withdraw?

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July 29, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
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There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,
1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)

Does that mean you are insolvent? You should never accept bets that you can't pay out, especially with gambling where you can't hedge. Why did you decide to let people win more than you have? Also, did you really not have more than 0.013BTC?
Just do a manualy witdrawal / transfer from your wallet. It's not hard to make clear this case, That is just showing your sh*t  really can't able to paying / possible to exit scam.

My deposit has 0.01BTC. My profits of game 0.003BTC  Roll Eyes
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