Make sure you pay your taxes to the government that spies on you!

[Hawker]

I feel you and crytoanarchist have demonstrated the value of a state having a monopoly on violence.

Hardly.
Don't you think it would be best if the agency preventing you from being robbed didn't have the ability to rob you?

I believe that no-one has the right to strangle a person - regardless of whether bare hands are used.  There may be cases where the death penalty is right - I don't really approve of it ever but that kind of casual violence is unacceptable.

If there is a dispute, I believe that any violence should follow a trial before a jury of your peers. The rules should be made by a body elected by your peers.  The enforcement should be by an institution created by your peers.  These 3 institutions should be separate.  In other words, democracy with all its checks and balances.  

That's slightly off topic to the thread which was whether to pay taxes to pay for all of this.  I believe that part of public expenditure is generally money well spent.

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[myrkul]

I believe that no-one has the right to strangle a person - regardless of whether bare hands are used.  There may be cases where the death penalty is right - I don't really approve of it ever but that kind of casual violence is unacceptable.

So, you would not approve of a rape victim attempting to strangle her rapist, in self-defense?

If there is a dispute, I believe that any violence should follow a trial before a jury of your peers. The rules should be made by a body elected by your peers.  The enforcement should be by an institution created by your peers.  These 3 institutions should be separate.  In other words, democracy with all its checks and balances.

And I seek to add one more check: Market competition. Those three institutions are not separate, and cannot be while they all get paid from the same pool of stolen funds, and report to the same hierarchy.

In order for those institutions to be separate, they must be paid for voluntarily by individuals, instead of taking their funds by force, and actually be separate, instead of part of a cartel enforced by violence.

[Hawker]

I believe that no-one has the right to strangle a person - regardless of whether bare hands are used.  There may be cases where the death penalty is right - I don't really approve of it ever but that kind of casual violence is unacceptable.

So, you would not approve of a rape victim attempting to strangle her rapist, in self-defense?

Silly example.  A right to self-defence means she can use reasonable force.  If strangling is reasonable, then its OK.  That's entirely different from wanting to have a right to strangle people who disagree with you.

[Hawker]

WoW has patched - I'm outta here for couple of days while we are updating Honorbuddy.

[myrkul]

I believe that no-one has the right to strangle a person - regardless of whether bare hands are used.  There may be cases where the death penalty is right - I don't really approve of it ever but that kind of casual violence is unacceptable.

So, you would not approve of a rape victim attempting to strangle her rapist, in self-defense?

Silly example.  A right to self-defence means she can use reasonable force.  If strangling is reasonable, then its OK.  That's entirely different from wanting to have a right to strangle people who disagree with you.

Agreed, but do read what you said again:

I believe that no-one has the right to strangle a person - regardless of whether bare hands are used.

You didn't qualify it with allowing defense before, why are you backpedaling now?

And you completely ignored the rest of my post. Please stop editing my posts to try and change the subject.  Hypocrite, is what you are.

If there is a dispute, I believe that any violence should follow a trial before a jury of your peers. The rules should be made by a body elected by your peers.  The enforcement should be by an institution created by your peers.  These 3 institutions should be separate.  In other words, democracy with all its checks and balances.

And I seek to add one more check: Market competition. Those three institutions are not separate, and cannot be while they all get paid from the same pool of stolen funds, and report to the same hierarchy.

In order for those institutions to be separate, they must be paid for voluntarily by individuals, instead of taking their funds by force, and actually be separate, instead of part of a cartel enforced by violence.