Atheism brougth us nothing good!

[ICOBank]

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

[a-m]

Check youtube for spiral dynamics.

[CoinCube]

Here are some thoughts I read on this topic today.

Spiritual Destruction or Awakening - The Choice is Ours.
http://albionawakening.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/spiritual-destruction-or-awakening.html

Present day conditions are well nigh ideal for spiritual destruction. We have a comfortable material existence and a superficially plausible explanation for why life exists, plausible enough to satisfy those who aren't willing to look more deeply anyway, coupled with a technology that gives us an abundance of toys to distract us from our inner emptiness.

Furthermore the sexual revolution has led to a spiritual desensitivity which would have shocked our ancestors, the wisest of whom knew that releasing the sexual energy from a proper constraint (constraint not repression) is profoundly destructive on many levels, both spiritual and material. The wisest knew and the rest more or less followed, certainly in terms of how society and culture were ordered which is the important thing. Laws will always be broken but without law there is chaos, and that's what we have today if you observe from the vantage point of the spiritual plane...

Yes, people, especially the young, live and are growing up during a period of terrible corruption. I was told in the 1990s that we were living at a time of the greatest vulgarity in the history of the planet. Vulgarity was the word used but, in the manner used, it implied a lot more than just simple coarseness. It meant decadence, corruption and spiritual ignorance. It meant declining taste, lack of dignity and ugliness. Now, of course, things are significantly worse. So people, in particular young people with a debased culture, both popular and intellectual, are subject to appalling influences and temptations. But still the way out exists for those who will pay attention to the voice of truth within them. Outer institutions are useless so the way out is actually the way in but ultimately that's what it's always been, even when institutions helped rather than hindered the spiritual quest as used to be the case.

So we may be living in a time of spiritual darkness and deprivation but that is the test. Will we allow ourselves to fall into line with that because of a willful (and the will is always involved) lack of response to truth or will we listen to God's voice within? Will we follow the herd and the line of least resistance or will we acknowledge conscience and hearken to the intuition? We have the choice and if the choice is hard that is only because it must be to be a true test of our mettle, our spiritual quality and our good will. I believe that now we have, as probably never before, not on the same scale anyway, a sorting out of the sheep from the goats or, if you like, of the good seed from the bad. Today there is a real sifting of souls.

[killgald]

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

Thats not quite right, the men always have to believe in something call it god, budda or Ala but always in something.

[Yudhisthir]

Spiritualism is cool.
But we cannot relate all these problems to atheism.
It's all how our society is. We have developed our-self this way.

[chixka000]

I agree, even if we have to respect there personal opinions. I still cannot agree to the way they tell people about anything but most especially when it comes to everyones religion.

[Moloch]

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

The exact opposite is true...

Atheist countries have the least crime, and the happiest people

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Switzerland, Australia, etc... predominantly atheist countries top this list, and all the countries at the bottom are highly religious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

1: Norway (atheist)
2: Denmark (atheist)
3: Iceland (atheist)
4: Switzerland (atheist)
5: Finland (atheist)
6: Netherlands (atheist)
7: Canada (atheist)
8: New Zealand (atheist/christian)
9: Australia (atheist/christian)
10: Sweden (atheist)
11: Israel (jewish/atheist)
...
14: United States (christian)
...
25: Mexico (christian)
...
37: Saudi Arabia (muslim)
...
151: Rwanda (christian)
152: Syria (muslim)
153: Tanzania (christian)
154: Burundi (christian)
155: Central African Republic (christian)

[Mad7Scientist]

I agree, also it gave us another thing:

- More science stupidity and people worshiping the scientific community becauset that's their new god in their Secular Humanist world. So they beileve Al Gore and whatever other crap the scientific majority pushes out.

[Moloch]

I agree, also it gave us another thing:

- More science stupidity and people worshiping the scientific community becauset that's their new god in their Secular Humanist world. So they beileve Al Gore and whatever other crap the scientific majority pushes out.

It always amuses me when someone mocks science while using a computer, cell phone, and all the wonderful things science has brought us (while failing to spell words properly)

Without science the life expectancy would be 30 years old, you wouldn't have a car, cell phone, computer, electricity, etc... you would be living like the Amish

[chixka000]

I agree, also it gave us another thing:

- More science stupidity and people worshiping the scientific community becauset that's their new god in their Secular Humanist world. So they beileve Al Gore and whatever other crap the scientific majority pushes out.

It always amuses me when someone mocks science while using a computer, cell phone, and all the wonderful things science has brought us (while failing to spell words properly)

Without science the life expectancy would be 30 years old, you wouldn't have a car, cell phone, computer, electricity, etc... you would be living like the Amish

There should always be a resistant because we can't also deny the fact that science is imperfect and that what makes the world balance. If science can explain anything then we should live perfectly but no that is quite impossible.

[Mad7Scientist]

It always amuses me when someone mocks science while using a computer, cell phone, and all the wonderful things science has brought us (while failing to spell words properly)

Hey stupid now that we're down to personal attacks the scientific didn't make those things happen it was private corporations and the military funding universities that did that. Now those corporations want a carbon tax and more enslavement so they push the scientific community to run fake climate studies and drug trials with faked results to submit to the FDA.

[CoinCube]

The exact opposite is true...

Atheist countries have the least crime, and the happiest people

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Switzerland, Australia, etc... predominantly atheist countries top this list, and all the countries at the bottom are highly religious

I backpacked through Sweden 14 years ago. It was very nice back then. Lets take a moment and take a look at Sweden from a broad view.

Sweden is the 'least religious' nation in Western world
https://www.thelocal.se/20150413/swedes-least-religious-in-western-world

Almost eight out of ten Swedes are either "not religious" or "convinced atheists", according to a new global study that concludes the Nordic nation is the least religious in the West.

So what has been going on lately in the 'least religious' nation in the Western world. Well unfortunately crime rates are rising.

Yes, Violent Crime Has Spiked In Sweden
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes-violent-crime-spiked-sweden-since-open-immigration/

Sweden’s official statistics do show increases in “lethal violence” (which includes murder, manslaughter and other deadly assaults) and sexual offenses  over the past ten years. Between 2006 and 2015 the incidence of “lethal violence” does fluctuate, but there is a sharp 65 percent spike from 2012 to 2015. In the same period, there was also an almost 49 percent increase in sexual offenses (a category including, among other offenses, rape). Looking at rape by itself, from 2006-2015 there was a 40 percent increase in the number of reported rapes.

Depression among the Sweedish youth is climbing.

Why Sweden's Youth Take More Antidepressants than Ever
https://www.vice.com/sv/article/jm9g38/why-the-sales-of-antidepressants-are-skyrocketing-in-sweden-123

The numbers of young Swedes reporting that they suffer from depression, anxiety or other mental health disorders has risen in the last 30 years. That increase has in turn led to a significant rise in prescriptions of antidepressants. In fact, according to the Swedish health authorities, antidepressant prescriptions increased by 36 percent between 2006 and 2012.

Here is a blog report from someone who backpacked through Sweeden last year. Although this is an individual report and must be taken as such he describes a country that sounds nothing like the place I visited 14 years ago.

Sweden Has Committed Suicide - A Letter From Stockholm
http://russia-insider.com/en/sweden-has-committed-suicide/ri17150

To those who haven’t heard, Sweden is the butt of just about every joke on the internet. Swedish men are mocked for their effeminacy and the country’s “tolerant” attitude towards migrants astounds many people. It is hard to believe some of the news stories about rapings, gropings and cultural marxist insanity that come out of Sweden on a weekly basis.

I assumed much of this was hyperbole, but I was so painfully, agonizingly, and completely DEAD WRONG.

But but they are happy right? So its all well and good? Sweden has consistently ended up high on happiness lists thanks to relatively strong social support and affluence. However, there are rumblings that this is starting to change.  Swedish happiness looks to be dropping.

Swedes drop to world's tenth happiest country
https://www.thelocal.se/20160316/swedes-drop-to-worlds-tenth-happiest-country

Are Swedes no longer as happy as they used to be? According to a new report Sweden has dropped to the world's 10th happiest country, down from fifth place three years ago.

So the 'least religious' nation is the western world appears to be on a bit of a downward trajectory. We will all get to watch the consequences as they play out slowly over the coming years.

[drachman]

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

Unless you got some proof I do not see how can you blame that on atheism, that is happening all over the globe not only in countries where atheism is the strongest.

[CoinCube]

Unless you got some proof I do not see how can you blame that on atheism, that is happening all over the globe not only in countries where atheism is the strongest.

Atheism is a rejection of prior knowledge and tradition. Thus any attempts to understand the effects of atheism must start with an understanding of effects of the prior tradition specifically the effect of religion on society. Below are my thoughts on the issue.  

Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbes was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review for common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbes had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom a lesson many today have forgotten.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations and yet is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it." - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere.

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

"Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
...
Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
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One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
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Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
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Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally." - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.

See: Freedom and God for more.

[The_prodigy]

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

I am not an atheist as I am a christian but my take on this is, if atheism did not do is anything good t also goes that religion did not bring us unity and properity as well. Which for me means that it is up to the people on what he/she do with his/her life on this world. No matter on what we believe in if we goal for the greater good then we would achieve it but if we breed enmity and hostility towards each other it would bring us closet and closer to our ruin

[SoulEaterRR]

I think that this is a wrong opinion. Atheism or another religion can not bring happiness or introduce a person into depression only if one does not become obsessed with these directions. In addition, there is a lot of crime among believing people who then go to church to pray for sins.

[sheldonnnn]

I think that atheism does not give us anything very bad. On the contrary, atheism is a manifestation of critical thinking, which is good. And also agnosticism is a kind of atheism, it warns us against premature radical judgments.

[Moloch]

I agree, also it gave us another thing:

- More science stupidity and people worshiping the scientific community becauset that's their new god in their Secular Humanist world. So they beileve Al Gore and whatever other crap the scientific majority pushes out.

It always amuses me when someone mocks science while using a computer, cell phone, and all the wonderful things science has brought us (while failing to spell words properly)

Without science the life expectancy would be 30 years old, you wouldn't have a car, cell phone, computer, electricity, etc... you would be living like the Amish

Hey stupid now that we're down to personal attacks the scientific didn't make those things happen it was private corporations and the military funding universities that did that. Now those corporations want a carbon tax and more enslavement so they push the scientific community to run fake climate studies and drug trials with faked results to submit to the FDA.

What personal attack?  Are you mad that I pointed out your poor spelling?
That isn't a personal attack, it's simply an observation... the more religious a person is, the worse their spelling... it simply points out the lack of education surrounding religious folk... probably why they are so opposed to science (they don't understand it due to poor quality education)

People always seem to fear that which they do not understand... don't be scared... do some research into things you don't understand (like atheism) and you will not fear it

If you think I made a personal attack, do you not admit you started it?
"More science stupidity" "So they beileve(sp) Al Gore and whatever other crap"
Sounds very offensive to me... ignorant as well
"people worshiping the scientific community"
Really?  You seriously think Atheists "worship" science?  Are you that stupid?  Do you think Atheists worship Satan too?  Where do you get these ideas?

the scientific didn't make those things happen

Learn some grammar!
Are you trying to say science didn't extend life expectancy (medicine), invent computers, cell phones and cars?

How do you think things get invented without science?  God made computers and cars?

[Pancho95]

No actually there is much more depression between people. Atheism brought us something that we should not do. It is like we are forgetting how lucky we are actually and running for something that we are not going to reach. And the life just go past us.

[karansingh300698]

not precisely true. people who don't openly profess their religion and beliefs are often perceived as non believers and atheist. but even these people do believe in doing good and working hard and being fair, which is after all what religion teaches us, to co exist harmoniously and prosper.
all people do nowadays is not be superstitious or have blind faith, and this is good because none of those ever did anything beneficial for anybody