[ANN] PoC Consortium Stage 1: BURST

[rico666]

Let me pick up two worthless utterances, just to show you how worthless they are:

This has clearly fallen flat on it's face, as we have heard pretty much nothing since the original post. As I have said before, talk is cheap.

...and

Or they just realized it was a lost cause

both uttered November, 2nd.

On November the 2nd, I probably made my largest chunk of commitments to the Burst Core Wallet - henceforth called BRS (Burst Reference Software)

https://github.com/PoC-Consortium/burstcoin/commits/master

The wallet is now much more cleaned up, has left its Nxt heritage behind, is getting a nice, modern emancipated coin, the code base being pulled towards Google JAVA Styleguide...


The problem on bitcointalk.org - and else (e.g. Reddit) - is that basically everybody who is able to stroke the keyboard can offload his shit.

I hope at least a few sane souls here can understand, why core devs are leaving these "pastures" and start to form "internal, private channels" where they are among themselves.

[rico666]

And let me pick up one more worthless utterance - for the sake of completeness:

It doesn't help when all I do is ask for clarification of how to get the Burst wallet service working in Windows and then the lead developer bans me from their Discord for simply asking tecnical configuration questions, then follows me back into the old Burst Discord for yet another volley of abuse, telling me that I can't expect to be "spoon fed". I was patronised directly by the OP suggesting in the Discord that they should consider tolerating "users of that level" , essentially offering that I was somehow not an equal but rather, inferior. All I was asking for was info on hard pathing Java after the CMD file for the wallet service failed to find Java even before loading any config. Everyone else was helpful but the OP here decided to beat his chest and swing his ban hammer in a fit of intolerance and impatience. Maybe you're totally right UnZane.  We will see I suppose.

Rapturoso - seems an older member of the community - came along one day with approximately the following attitude:


"I just came back to Burst after 2-3 months absence. I want to update my wallet. What shall I take? What is PoCC? I have no idea, but they have to prove themself to me...."

[After some time Rapturoso is convinced to use the PoCC wallet, and the rant continues...]

"I want this (wallet), I don't want that (Launcher). I have no idea about the config file. Help me. Help me! You must! You must do so promptly, the way I want and also I am right and you are wrong."

By the end of the day, 3 core devs were dancing around him wasting their time on this ignorant, but certainly self-confident asshole.
I put an end to it and banned him. I do not regret it. Also explained to the other devs that this was a protective measure against this time-vampire.
They thanked me.

@Rapturoso: You have been ass-wiped enough and have constantly shown a both impressive and formidable mix of ignorance and demand. You cannot be surprised that it ended as it ended.
You are of course free to whine about it as much as you like.

[rico666]

Rico666, when should the Burst community expect PoCC stage 2?

2017

Preparations: https://twitter.com/Burstcoin_dev/status/933497493341470720

[cesmak]

Hello one question, if devs of poc wallet are here....

Started to use your wallet a week ago, but i have this problem, every day that i turn my pc on and start the wallet (tested in a few days, and now i'm sure it is it), my nvidia video drivers (updated to the last level) crash and windows system say it had restored them.

Using the Poc last Version 1.3.6cg with mariaDB on a windows 7 pro machine.

Any clue why the launcher of the wallet crashes the GPU driver ?

Cheers

[rico666]

Hello one question, if devs of poc wallet are here....

Started to use your wallet a week ago, but i have this problem, every day that i turn my pc on and start the wallet (tested in a few days, and now i'm sure it is it), my nvidia video drivers (updated to the last level) crash and windows system say it had restored them.

Using the Poc last Version 1.3.6cg with mariaDB on a windows 7 pro machine.

Any clue why the launcher of the wallet crashes the GPU driver ?

No, and 1st time I hear it. Then again, OpenCL (GPU acceleration) still considered experimental, so if you are sure you are using newest drivers or the problem not being the GPU hardware itself (you don't mention which one you use), just turn GPU support off.

There is a #wallet-support Discord channel here: https://discord.gg/5MEKvRr

You are more likely to find help there - also in a more interactive way.

[cesmak]

Hello one question, if devs of poc wallet are here....

Started to use your wallet a week ago, but i have this problem, every day that i turn my pc on and start the wallet (tested in a few days, and now i'm sure it is it), my nvidia video drivers (updated to the last level) crash and windows system say it had restored them.

Using the Poc last Version 1.3.6cg with mariaDB on a windows 7 pro machine.

Any clue why the launcher of the wallet crashes the GPU driver ?

No, and 1st time I hear it. Then again, OpenCL (GPU acceleration) still considered experimental, so if you are sure you are using newest drivers or the problem not being the GPU hardware itself (you don't mention which one you use), just turn GPU support off.

There is a #wallet-support Discord channel here: https://discord.gg/5MEKvRr

You are more likely to find help there - also in a more interactive way.

Ok, found the setting to enable GPU, and disabled, i will see on next restart tomorrow. thank for the moment, i will update on the situation.

Cheers

[cesmak]

Disabling support for GPU solved the problem, thanks @rico666 to point me in the right direction.

Cheers

[pinkflower]

The tweet about a BFA, assuming it stands for Big Fucking Announcement, from the PoCC's Twitter account was removed a day after. Why? Did the PoCC fear that it would end in another disappointment or was the plan behind it canceled or something? Rico666, care to reply?

[notabeliever]

Great Job POCc keep up the good work!
One for the Coin
One for the Devs
and...
One for All.

[rico666]

The tweet about a BFA, assuming it stands for Big Fucking Announcement, from the PoCC's Twitter account was removed a day after. Why? Did the PoCC fear that it would end in another disappointment or was the plan behind it canceled or something? Rico666, care to reply?

https://twitter.com/PoC_Consortium/status/935040430273593346

?

We have not removed a single tweet ever - so I do care to reply to suggest you improve your Twitter skills.

I also would like to know what exactly you mean by "another disappointment"?

[pinkflower]

First of all, I would like to thank you for your patience, I know you're a busy man.

Missing the PoCC's tweet on my second look is my fault. Sorry.

Thirdly, maybe the BFA might be something like the Android wallet situation, wherein the community expected something more but ended up having something in slight disappointment.

NEO also suffered the same situation. They announced something big was coming, but it was only a hacking contest or something.

[rico666]

Thirdly, maybe the BFA might be something like the Android wallet situation, wherein the community expected something more but ended up having something in slight disappointment.

NEO also suffered the same situation. They announced something big was coming, but it was only a hacking contest or something.

Ok - let's analyze the "Android wallet situation". One month after announcing the PoCC (where we also announced the mobile wallet was in development), our Android wallet was ready to be published.

At that time - September, 11th 2017 - it really was big news for Burst: There was only the original, slightly dysfunctional and bloated wallet from Iceburst and the mobile wallet from BurstNation which was a) merely another frontend to their online wallet (hard coded in as backend) and b) you needed to register to use the wallet and c) the design was/is like 90ties...

So yes: from an objective point of view it was big news. Yet after presenting the mobile wallet, there were TWO - in words: TWO - guys who were disappointed/pissed: https://www.burstcoin.ist/2017/09/18/on-big-news/

My question: "What did those people expect?" was never answered.


So here's what disappoints me:

• One man - not even a developer - says he believes Burst core algorithm is broken. Mouth-to-mouth propaganda makes of this "core developers say Burst core is broken". Of all people - pinkflower - you should know best, because you asked me for clarification and I gave it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg22268290#msg22268290
• Same with the mobile wallet: Two people are pissed, because they expected "more" - what this "more" should have been? No one knows. No one says. Yet - somehow - we make from this "the community expected something more(!!!)"

So I suggest you (as in: you all to whom it concerns) get your expectations and memory calibrated, because it's really pathological as of now.

It cannot be made a problem of the PoCC, if some people have serious issues with the dopamine glands in their brain.


Having said that, let me help you with the calibration:

Android wallet September 11th 2017 was big News at the time. It wouldn't be big News today.

Yeah - we have the iOS version of the wallet ready for over a month, but Gay-Nazi-Apple (henceforth: GNA) is blocking it (as they do with basically all Alt-Wallets - see e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/NEO/comments/7dvpz5/o3_wallet_being_removed_by_apple_we_need_your_help/). But we will deal with GNA the right way. So when that is available in the GNA App Store, it will be "Good News", but no big news.

And the BFA... well ... quote from the group preparing the Ann:

I'll put it this way: If what we are going to present isn't considered "big" by someone and he/she would expect "more". Then I am afraid only GODs personal appearance dancing naked in front of the worlds leaders while they're being eaten by aliens can top it.

[pinkflower]

I like that quote lol. But most of the people's expections are calibrated so high these days because of all the promises and the marketing done by the multimillion $ ICOs. Whether they reach their goals or not, they dont care as long as they get their millions.

If Ethereum was made today, do you think it could compete in the scenario we have today? Maybe not. The competition is tougher and the expectations are higher.

Having said that, the developers should adapt and also recalibrate on what they consider as "big news".

If the BFA is really big news then great, but if its not then be careful, it might disappoint.

[rico666]

...and the expectations are higher.

Having said that, the developers should adapt and also recalibrate on what they consider as "big news".
If the BFA is really big news then great, but if its not then be careful, it might disappoint.

I am still missing any concrete examples what "more" people out there expect. What is considered "big news" "out there".
Because if people do not really know and just "expect more" without being able to pinpoint it, then there is no way to satisfy these people.
Most are like kids who expect an even shinier toy, an even faster gaming computer, without being able to make sensible use of any of it.

What I am afraid of, is that the news - once really "big enough" - won't even be understood. For a while at least.

[pinkflower]

...and the expectations are higher.

Having said that, the developers should adapt and also recalibrate on what they consider as "big news".
If the BFA is really big news then great, but if its not then be careful, it might disappoint.

I am still missing any concrete examples what "more" people out there expect. What is considered "big news" "out there".
Because if people do not really know and just "expect more" without being able to pinpoint it, then there is no way to satisfy these people.
Most are like kids who expect an even shinier toy, an even faster gaming computer, without being able to make sensible use of any of it.

What I am afraid of, is that the news - once really "big enough" - won't even be understood. For a while at least.

Some concrete examples of "big news" would be a partnership with a tech company like the news about Stellar and IBM. Others would be being listed in the top Asian exchanges like Bitflyer and Bithumb.

"Big news" doesn't mean confining it in the technical aspects of the platform but also the practical aspects that bring cash inflows to the cryptocurrency.

Burst is the first PoC coin and the first to have smart contracts and cross atomic swaps, but that did not bring it "to the moon".

[d5000]

Some concrete examples of "big news" would be a partnership with a tech company like the news about Stellar and IBM. Others would be being listed in the top Asian exchanges like Bitflyer and Bithumb.

"Big news" doesn't mean confining it in the technical aspects of the platform but also the practical aspects that bring cash inflows to the cryptocurrency.

Burst is the first PoC coin and the first to have smart contracts and cross atomic swaps, but that did not bring it "to the moon".

Just a little rant:

Sh!tcoin culture - which expects this kind of announcements - is ... sh!tty.
These "partnerships" often are absolute nonsense. I didn't hear from any of them to be of really serious relevance, not even those by big platforms like Ethereum.
And the listings on exchanges are regarded as "big news" because people that want to get rich quick via Pump and Dumps. After the final dump they are out again.

If altcoins want to be more than sh!tcoins, then they should leave behind this sh!tty culture. And I think Burst is on a good way.

[rico666]

Sh!tcoin culture - which expects this kind of announcements - is ... sh!tty.
These "partnerships" often are absolute nonsense. I didn't hear from any of them to be of really serious relevance, not even those by big platforms like Ethereum.
And the listings on exchanges are regarded as "big news" because people that want to get rich quick via Pump and Dumps. After the final dump they are out again.

If altcoins want to be more than sh!tcoins, then they should leave behind this sh!tty culture. And I think Burst is on a good way.

I have to fully agree with d5000 here. These synthetic - forced - announced partnerships are often a mere PR vehicle. As such, they constantly fail to reach significant momentum.

True momentum is not gained by these artificials, but by genuine "best fit" usage. Meaning: when the solution a coin provides is best for someone to use it, he will use it and it will more likely result in something of true market significance, than these fake partnerships vaporware.

Therefore, the PoCC has no intention to make this sort of announcements or form this kind of artificial "partnerships". We have a plan, you might even say a strategy. Everyone - be it individuals, companies, institutions - is welcome to use the tools we will provide for their projects and we will work hard to make them as good as we possibly can so they are of generic use.

These nonsense-partnerships often start and end with nonsense protocol extensions/bloat, just because one of the partners requires this special "AMAZON_PROTOCOL_EXTENSION_A" or "EBAY_PROTOCOL_EXTENSION_B_IF_NOT_CRAIGSLIST_EXTENSION_C_PRESENT".

We never would hurt Burst with something short-sighted like that.
Instead, we would like to offer a car in an era of carriages.

[pinkflower]

Rico666, but from a general perspective, is the BFA big news if you recalibrate your own expectations to what the general community's expectations are?

I say general community because we need Burst's community own to grow if it wants to go somewhere and become something.

[rico666]

Rico666, but from a general perspective, is the BFA big news if you recalibrate your own expectations to what the general community's expectations are?

I say general community because we need Burst's community own to grow if it wants to go somewhere and become something.

One of the PoCC's first statements addressed towards the "Burst community" was: "We owe this community nothing" and we always saw the bigger picture outside the "Burst community bubble".

Also, it should be clear by now, how our position regarding miners is.
Once stripped from the civil warlords, ankle-biters and do-nothings, Burst has a very nice and engaged community to bootstrap with.
It's clear, that the current Burst community will be a minority soon.

Everyone else (the future majority) has ~ 24 days time (as of this writing) to catch some hints. https://dymaxion.burst.cryptoguru.org/

[Mr_Burst]

impatiently waiting