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August 14, 2017, 05:04:28 AM
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What happened:: minerjones has backed out of multiple auctions he has started in the collectables section.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731

Reference Link: see below
1 - http://archive.is/okLEh#selection-409.0-409.10 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080572.0
2 - http://archive.is/ee1mt - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056006.0
3 - http://archive.is/L1csU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2010947.0;all
4 - http://archive.is/z3kUc - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007260.0
Additional Notes: minerjones has backed out of 4 auctions over the past ~month, and possibly more over longer periods of time. Each time minerjones has offer flimsy "excuses" for backing out of his obligations, has not compensated the then high bidders, the other bidders, nor potential bidders - in each case the auction end date had not yet eclipsed). Based on the fact that this has happened 4 times in the last ~5 weeks, it is clear this is not an isolated incident, but rather appears to be a pattern of minerjones failing to honor his obligations when listing items for auction.

In the past, it has been the opinion and consensus of the community that, unless otherwise explicitly specified, auction bids and auction offers are binding contracts, and failing to honor said bid/offer makes you a scammer.

Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.

I have verified that minerjones is currently in blazed's trust list, and I understand this to mean that blazed endorses this behavior. Unless and until blazed remediates this by removing minerjones from his trust list, or this accusation is otherwise disproven, I would consider this to be a risk when dealing with any of blazed's auctions as well. Upon remediation, this portion of the accusation will be removed.

update: minerjones has subsequently backed out of two additional auctions since the creation of this thread:
2 more auctions backed out of by minerjones.  In typical fashion he locked the threads so his posts wouldn't be quoted and criticized (another disturbing ongoing trend).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096022.msg21103971#msg21103971

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096012.msg21104171#msg21104171

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August 14, 2017, 07:27:10 AM
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Thank you to get me that to the notice, i was thinking to place a bid to a raffle organised by Blazed few hours ago but i thought instead of bumping the auction thread in collectible section why not place the bid at the last time as it would reduce competition and probably get the thread unnoticed from the potential buyers but now i won't do that. I even checked MinerJones trust now and i see some shady behavior.
Thank you QS.

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August 14, 2017, 07:36:20 AM
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Great information QS! Some really shady/unmoral things. You cannot back out from your auction, because that is against the standard rule of it basically. I would not trust such a person as an escrow, and he is part of CET as well. He is part of DT2, which is kind of bad, i do not think such actions should get you a spot on DT2. I hope someone of the staff sees this and takes some action against minerjones.



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August 14, 2017, 08:42:48 AM
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so...blazed, MJ, OG...do we have any escrow left to trust?

Where is theymos while shit is hitting the fan with all his trusted escrows... does he realize having trustable escrow is part of the reason this site is even alive?

I wonder if he know's he's liable for any  legal issues that might spring up...

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August 14, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
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Thank you QS.
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Great information QS! Some really shady/unmoral things.
Not sure if serious or just stupid.

You cannot back out from your auction, because that is against the standard rule of it basically.
Under certain conditions, of course you can. There is no "standard rule of it".

I hope someone of the staff sees this and takes some action against minerjones.
Spamming nonsene for Enjin now, are we? Staff has nothing to do with this.

Do explain the following to me:
1) You not being biased towards MJ.
2) How this is a scam, and not suited for the reputation thread.
3) MJ is often hosting auctions for other people, thus he can't be directly blamed when the owner does back up midway. The 1000 BTC Cas. auction needs to be removed from this thread.


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August 14, 2017, 10:50:27 AM
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Not sure if serious or just stupid.
Maybe little bit of both, however if you put up an auction and do not complete it like arrange, that is a very dickish move if you ask me. I would not want to deal with person doing such things.

Under certain conditions, of course you can. There is no "standard rule of it".
Yeah of course you can, however it is a part of the etiquette of auctions, if you cannot follow it, then i don't think you should be arranging auctions in the first place

Spamming nonsene for Enjin now, are we? Staff has nothing to do with this.
You may call it what you like. Staff of the forum is kind of responsible for DT members, because DT members are the ones that you should be able to trust on every situation.
However, that is just my opinion, but i am sure that many agree with me.

Do explain the following to me:
1) You not being biased towards MJ.
2) How this is a scam, and not suited for the reputation thread.
3) MJ is often hosting auctions for other people, thus he can't be directly blamed when the owner does back up midway. The 1000 BTC Cas. auction needs to be removed from this thread.

1. I am not biased towards anyone, i just however do not appreciate such actions.
2. I believe it belongs on reputation as well, and that is why i reported the post already for being on wrong board.
3. I think that if you are hosting an auction for other people, the best practice would be just taking a hold of the item/goods or whatever you are auctioning before starting it. Because this can cause problems for the person hosting, which i do not personally want to happen to anyone.

I know you are friends with minerjones, and i have nothing personally against him. I was just stating my personal opinion about the situation, so everything i say should not be taken personally.


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August 14, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
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2) How this is a scam, and not suited for the reputation thread.
MJ offered items for auction, which may have presented a bargain for a potential bidder, by canceling said auction, he deprived said potential bidders from this bargain.

Also, when he opened the auction, he was agreeing to certain obligations to whoever won the auction, similar to what happens when you agree to engage in a trade with someone. As mentioned in my OP, this is not an isolated incident, but is rather a pattern of behavior.

3) MJ is often hosting auctions for other people, thus he can't be directly blamed when the owner does back up midway. The 1000 BTC Cas. auction needs to be removed from this thread.
Nope. When you open up an auction thread, you are the one obligating yourself to sell the item according to the terms of the auction, unless otherwise explicitly specified in the terms of the auction (they were not in any of the cases in the OP).

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August 14, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
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Wow... what a great Idea, your lover is being attacked so you two scheme up a way to attack the competition..

cant believe how pathetic you are QS. Just because you are a massive Ponzi Fan you have to come in and protect your leader?

EVERYONE BE AWARE QS IS A NASTYFAN AND HE IS ATTACKING OG'S ESCROW COMPETITION.


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August 14, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
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Well, I am looking into this and have reached out to MJ looking for answers. Implying that I am shady is a bit of a reach... My history here more than speaks for itself. I am surprised you would tag my name into this without messaging me first. I have always given you the benefit of the doubt over the years and now I wonder if that was a mistake.

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August 14, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
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What happened:: minerjones has backed out of multiple auctions he has started in the collectables section.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731

Reference Link: see below
1 - http://archive.is/okLEh#selection-409.0-409.10 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080572.0
2 - http://archive.is/ee1mt - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056006.0
3 - http://archive.is/L1csU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2010947.0;all
4 - http://archive.is/z3kUc - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007260.0
Additional Notes: minerjones has backed out of 4 auctions over the past ~month, and possibly more over longer periods of time. Each time minerjones has offer flimsy "excuses" for backing out of his obligations, has not compensated the then high bidders, the other bidders, nor potential bidders - in each case the auction end date had not yet eclipsed). Based on the fact that this has happened 4 times in the last ~5 weeks, it is clear this is not an isolated incident, but rather appears to be a pattern of minerjones failing to honor his obligations when listing items for auction.

In the past, it has been the opinion and consensus of the community that, unless otherwise explicitly specified, auction bids and auction offers are binding contracts, and failing to honor said bid/offer makes you a scammer.

Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.

I have verified that minerjones is currently in blazed's trust list, and I understand this to mean that blazed endorses this behavior. Unless and until blazed remediates this by removing minerjones from his trust list, or this accusation is otherwise disproven, I would consider this to be a risk when dealing with any of blazed's auctions as well. Upon remediation, this portion of the accusation will be removed.

I was auctioning items for other people.... I do not control them or their items.
I have stopped doing this, that is why the last auction was cancelled..
And it was quite apparent that I had been "scammed" into selling by the seller of the 1000 BTC Casascius coin....
If they decided to not want to auction or sell it any longer, I must oblige.
Other auction sites allow this and there is no penalty or people saying that they are "scammers"
It would have been a scam if I had taken any money....

opinions are not facts... to each his own

If anyone feels slighted and bid on any of these auctions, I will happily send you tip to you for your hassle.

thanks

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August 14, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
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All I know is that Minerjones is good person and I trust him.
Btw Quickseller, as I see from trust ratings, only Blazed was the last man, who was leaving positive trust rating on you, now it seems you are against him because of.....
There is no doubt TMAN says 100% right: seems you are nastyfan and you are against minerjones because of og. Why? because now there is bad relationship between them, you could to make scam accusations before but you did it now to help og in trying to finish job but there is no way it will be successful.

I am neutral, I don't have to say bad on MJ or OG but I had some deals with minerjones and often chat him. He is very polite and helpful person, I don't hide this, my vote for minerjones as a good man.

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August 14, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
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Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.

So minerjones was acting as an escrow and charged a fee for his services even though he failed to keep the funds safe, didn't pay everyone back, and this is the first I'm hearing of it?  This is why it is so dangerous to stay silent when you see this sort of behavior.  I thought minerjones started acting shady after doxxing CanaryInTheMine back in March, but it looks like the behavior may have started earlier than that...  



...or did "investors" not agree with your plan to compensate yourself for losing their money?

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August 14, 2017, 04:02:43 PM
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Maybe little bit of both, however if you put up an auction and do not complete it like arrange, that is a very dickish move if you ask me. I would not want to deal with person doing such things.
He can't control what actions of the seller.

You may call it what you like. Staff of the forum is kind of responsible for DT members, because DT members are the ones that you should be able to trust on every situation.
However, that is just my opinion, but i am sure that many agree with me.
That is utter bullshit. Nobody besides theymos is reponsible for DT members, and he wouldn't do anything in this case. There have been worse cases where theymos did not act.

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I was not asking you to explain anything.

Also, when he opened the auction, he was agreeing to certain obligations to whoever won the auction, similar to what happens when you agree to engage in a trade with someone. As mentioned in my OP, this is not an isolated incident, but is rather a pattern of behavior.
Again, this is almost entirely up to the person selling. Minerjones was doing other users a favor, users who have exploited this, and users like you who attack him for helping out other members.

Nope. When you open up an auction thread, you are the one obligating yourself to sell the item according to the terms of the auction, unless otherwise explicitly specified in the terms of the auction (they were not in any of the cases in the OP).
Correction: This is what you seem to think. You also think that bogus escrow is acceptable behavior, thus what you think tends to be misaligned with what is right and what isn't.

I have always given you the benefit of the doubt over the years and now I wonder if that was a mistake.
Maybe it is time to wake up and start reading the negatives on his profile?

Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.
So minerjones was acting as an escrow and charged a fee for his services even though he failed to keep the funds safe, didn't pay everyone back, and this is the first I'm hearing of it?  This is why it is so dangerous to stay silent when you see this sort of behavior.  I thought minerjones started acting shady after doxxing CanaryInTheMine back in March, but it looks like the behavior may have started earlier than that...  
That is completely incorrect. Minerjones did nothing wrong, and every single person was paid back.


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August 14, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
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Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.

So minerjones was acting as an escrow and charged a fee for his services even though he failed to keep the funds safe, didn't pay everyone back, and this is the first I'm hearing of it?  This is why it is so dangerous to stay silent when you see this sort of behavior.  I thought minerjones started acting shady after doxxing CanaryInTheMine back in March, but it looks like the behavior may have started earlier than that...  



...or did "investors" not agree with your plan to compensate yourself for losing their money?

WTF are you talking about OgDogg... you cant even pay back nastyfan loans in full. Idiot

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August 14, 2017, 04:48:17 PM
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Those auctions were held on behalf of other users and hence it should have been specified in those threads. The users who backed out should be tagged by neutral as without a valid reason they can't just back out. Don't put a coin for sale then if there are any doubts. It looks shady.

Also backing out from an auction is unethical but it can't be considered scamming until the user doesn't pay back the funds he has been paid for such an auction but nobody should trust his auctions at a later stage as he can again back out from a commitment. Also these auctions on a forum are not the same as real ones where you need to sign a contract and then you need to pay a fine too (I suppose).


Edit: Thanks Lauda for the update. If the issue was solved, then I take my words back. However, the auctions were atleast not handled well. 4 auctions cancelled due to the owners gives minerjones a bad name. It looks like he was acting as an escrow for those deals and things which he doesn't have any control over should be handled this way.

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August 14, 2017, 05:09:52 PM
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Shocked hearing the escrow deal that was mishandled by him.
Shocking? Mishandled? Are you serious? That was the setup that was used by several different escrows at the time, and everyone was informed about the risk before investing. The problem was solved and every investor who claimed a refund got paid back in full.
This has nothing to do with the OP, and is just used in the continued defamation campaign by QS. This totally does not have to do anything with escrow competiton, *cough*. Roll Eyes


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August 14, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
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I will have you know those auctions MINERJONES did, he did for me. Know this, there were extenuating circumstances involved with each of those auctions. Not that I feel I owe Quickseller an answer...but some of you are top of the line traders and sellers, you guys and gals all know who you are, and you know I'm an honest person. If you're looking for someone to blame, well then, blame me. Quickseller....you're lower that the belly of a snake in a wagon wheel rut. Go get yourself a life, and leave the good people in this forum be. Slither someplace else.
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August 14, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
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I will have you know those auctions MINERJONES did, he did for me. Know this, there were extenuating circumstances involved with each of those auctions. Not that I feel I owe Quickseller an answer...but some of you are top of the line traders and sellers, you guys and gals all know who you are, and you know I'm an honest person. If you're looking for someone to blame, well then, blame me. Quickseller....you're lower that the belly of a snake in a wagon wheel rut. Go get yourself a life, and leave the good people in this forum be. Slither someplace else.
There we have it. However, Quickseller will not be satisfied with this as he is biased in the case and this whole thread is just a smear campaign against minerjones. If anyone has proven himself to be trustworthy around here, then that is minerjones (with all his flaws and cats).


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August 14, 2017, 06:18:50 PM
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I will have you know those auctions MINERJONES did, he did for me. Know this, there were extenuating circumstances involved with each of those auctions. Not that I feel I owe Quickseller an answer...but some of you are top of the line traders and sellers, you guys and gals all know who you are, and you know I'm an honest person. If you're looking for someone to blame, well then, blame me. Quickseller....you're lower that the belly of a snake in a wagon wheel rut. Go get yourself a life, and leave the good people in this forum be. Slither someplace else.

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August 14, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
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You're good Minerjones, you were merely doing as I told you to do. And anyone who doesn't think he's trustworthy, here's a little fact. Minerjones has handled over 40 of my loaded coins at one time, in excess value of $100,000 dollars, sent them for grading, regrading, he's sold, traded, and escrowed for me. Everything accounted for, you couldn't find a more honest hard working family man. Who also like's critters and cats....like most of the rest of us. If I has to say anything bad about him, it that his cat is actually fatter than mine....and that makes me jealous.  Sad
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