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March 24, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
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Stunna I would like to talk to you in private about this, can you please check your inbox.
This is a big deal imo and I think I deserve to be able to talk to you at least.
I sent you a PM and you've been online a couple times since but not responded.
You are not going to get anything back. Just face the facts: 1. You gambled more then could afford to lose without being depressed or in financial trouble. 2. You believe in a gambler's fallacy, a sign of gambling addiction. Previous rolls (like 4x losing 80% in a row) have no outcome on the next roll or this whole "my seed was more likely to win" bullshit. 3. Refusing to understand that you had a fair roll. Even after the error occurred there was a period between when the screen reloaded and the period when you clicked "roll". It is your fault you did not check the client seed and instead clicked roll without haste. The end result is that you lost. Consider it a lesson and move on. If Stunna were to refund you, then he would have to do it for everyone that experienced some sort of error and then pressed roll. Which would make his site unprofitable in the long run for him. All rolls are final which are in the FAQ. Unless you can prove that the roll was not truly fair, which it was, you have no grounds for a refund of any sort. I'm not in financial trouble, sure everyone would be a bit depressed after they just lost. I was almost over it, then I checked my bet ID and found this out. Call me a gambling addict if you want but I'm not. I have fun playing at PD but like everyone I don't like to lose, but I can get over it after it sets in. What I cant get over is not losing fairly and I honestly don't believe what happened is fair. Actrually better Im gonna send you this message to ur PM, You wont get ur money back though, unless it effected many people. |
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spixel
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March 24, 2014, 07:44:23 AM |
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I've received a couple of pms from people asking me for more info
Basically what happened is I lost all my btc just 12 rolls after primedice shoved an error on my face which forced me to refresh the page to continue betting, resulting in the client seed being changed without me knowing.
I still have hope stunna will do the right thing and take responsibility for this error. I don't believe I would have lost if it didn't happen. I didn't request for my seed to be changed and wouldn't have bet the same if I knew it had been.
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March 24, 2014, 07:50:50 AM |
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I've received a couple of pms from people asking me for more info
Basically what happened is I lost all my btc just 12 rolls after primedice shoved an error on my face which forced me to refresh the page to continue betting, resulting in the client seed being changed without me knowing.
I still have hope stunna will do the right thing and take responsibility for this error. I don't believe I would have lost if it didn't happen. I didn't request for my seed to be changed and wouldn't have bet the same if I knew it had been.
Wait wait wait...you made 12 rolls after this error popped up.   Even funnier. You had 12 rolls to realize the change! |
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March 24, 2014, 07:52:39 AM
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I've received a couple of pms from people asking me for more info
Basically what happened is I lost all my btc just 12 rolls after primedice shoved an error on my face which forced me to refresh the page to continue betting, resulting in the client seed being changed without me knowing.
I still have hope stunna will do the right thing and take responsibility for this error. I don't believe I would have lost if it didn't happen. I didn't request for my seed to be changed and wouldn't have bet the same if I knew it had been.
Wait wait wait...you made 12 rolls after this error popped up. Even funnier. You had 12 rolls to realize the change. There is now 0.00% you get anything back, just wow. If you say so... I guess you've never bet before. How am I meant to realise the change when its hidden? I still have no explanation for why it happened. Apparently I'm just meant to accept this mysterious error most likely caused me to lose a large amount of btc and get over it. |
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March 24, 2014, 08:08:17 AM |
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You're saying "if so then ... if so then ..."
you can't be sure what you will do when a event is happening.
except if you can predict future ofc.
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spixel
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March 24, 2014, 08:23:44 AM |
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You're saying "if so then ... if so then ..."
you can't be sure what you will do when a event is happening.
except if you can predict future ofc.
No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters. I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc. |
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March 24, 2014, 09:43:34 AM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. |
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March 24, 2014, 11:50:11 AM |
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If anyone cares..
Had I done the same amount of bets before going all in after the error, my client seed would have been 7446901-0041
With the same server seed (don't know if this would be the same) the resulting roll would have been 50.38 so I would have won. Either way I still don't believe what happened is fair, the error changed the outcome and I don't think anyone can argue with that.
That is in no way true. Ur server seed is different every bet. That WOULD'T BE THE OUTCOME if client seed would been the same. |
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March 24, 2014, 12:03:53 PM |
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I figured out what is going to kill me. The suspense of waiting for PD 3. |
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March 24, 2014, 12:19:05 PM |
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I figured out what is going to kill me. The suspense of waiting for PD 3. Try to live just a little bit longer, its VERY close  . |
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March 24, 2014, 01:12:59 PM
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Check the bet id's to see the seed difference https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233153https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233760 |
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March 24, 2014, 01:25:48 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ? |
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March 24, 2014, 01:28:03 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ? Gamblers fallacy is irrelevant, if the error affected my betting it affected it. Where's the disclaimer saying 'warning we may throw errors on your screen and freeze your betting at any time' If it changes the outcome, the chance is changed... micro your opinion is just wrong. The client seed completely changed the outcome of all my rolls afterwards. I do not know what would have happened if it didn't occur. I likely would have gone all in at 80% at that time. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:31:24 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ? Gamblers fallacy is irrelevant, if the error affected my betting it affected it. If it changes the outcome, the chance is changed... micro your opinion is just wrong. The client seed completely changed the outcome of all my rolls afterwards. I do not know what would have happened if it didn't occur. I likely would have gone all in at 80% at that time. Micro is right. It changed the outcome, but the chance was still the same. However, this is not the case if primedice is doing this maliciously, which is entirely possible. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:31:53 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat.
And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
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March 24, 2014, 01:33:07 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:35:43 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting. No ur chance to win on that bet was 80% not 0, also would been 80% if error did not occur . And in both cases u would have 20% chance to lose, witch is not small chance. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:07 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting. No ur chance to win on that bet was 80% not 0, also would been 80% if error did not occur . And in both cases u would have 20% chance to lose, witch is not small chance. And the other question? Which is the one that matters. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:35 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat.
And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem. |
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:49 PM |
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The error affects everyone using the site including me and I lost .135 or so most like my due to error rolls do Zi stop playing until it's fixed because I kept rolling despite the error but if it's gonna keep fucking up I'm keeping my money. You seem to be the only person crying about it. Suck it up and chalk it as a loss cause you were gambling?
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